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Vlaad
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posted February 16, 2009 02:23 AM
Edited by Vlaad at 02:25, 16 Feb 2009.

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I don't think you got it. The pill isn't supposed to be used by asexuals, it would be pointless
That's not what I meant. You're advocating the pill, but it may look like a good idea only from an asexual's point of view - while such a solution would actually harm sexual persons by stripping them off all the benefits sex provides, both physical and psychological. I feel this is the weakest point in your argument - you have constantly failed to address this question and argue the matter pro and con. In other words, I, for one, wouldn't like to get rid of my libido; while sometimes it may seem like a waste of energy/resources and a waste of mind ability as well, this waste is insignificant in comparison with the benefits and could be considered a sort of investment, if you will.
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And yes, if the black sheep was more efficient than the white sheep then the most optimal and logical choice would be to mutate the white sheep (if possible, let's say, with a pill) into black sheep.
No, this is true only from the black sheep's point of view - but the black sheep doesn't get to decide what is more efficient. It brings us back to what Binabik asked you earlier in the thread - where are you going with all this? Efficient for what purpose? Would an asexual humankind be more efficient than a sexual one? Maybe at solving crosswords, but not as a species...
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But as for the sheep example, my point was this: you cannot prove something does not exist or cannot happen. But to prove it, it only takes ONE single example. That is, you cannot prove there are no black sheep (unless you spot them all), but providing ONE black sheep is enough to prove that they, in fact, exist.
You're right, of course. I just tried to put that analogy back into the context of the argument, but perhaps I got it wrong, reading the quote war backwards. Never a good idea.
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posted February 16, 2009 02:57 AM

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That's not what I meant. You're advocating the pill, but it may look like a good idea only from an asexual's point of view - while such a solution would actually harm sexual persons by stripping them off all the benefits sex provides, both physical and psychological. I feel this is the weakest point in your argument - you have constantly failed to address this question and argue the matter pro and con. In other words, I, for one, wouldn't like to get rid of my libido; while sometimes it may seem like a waste of energy/resources and a waste of mind ability as well, this waste is insignificant in comparison with the benefits and could be considered a sort of investment, if you will.
What investment? For what? It doesn't do anything apart from just satisfying your lust for pleasure (note: when I say "sex" I mean non-procreative sex of course).

That would be like JJ saying that sexual people are different in their lives compared to asexuals when it is not the case (as long as the subjects aren't sexual, obviously). Secondly, I provided articles where sex actually lowers your life span. Is that an investment you want? If not for efficiency, at least for that!

Let's say you want to have a happy life. Let's say that you have X needs, while someone else to be happy (same as you) has Y needs. In this scenario, if X < Y, then you are more efficient. However, we also have to look if he is doing SOMETHING in the process (such as, probably, training or building something). If he does, then it's not much of a waste since he does something different.

Not so with pleasure. It serves NO purpose whatsoever except for just feeling it, which wouldn't even be. You can't "miss" the stuff pleasure does because it does NONE (again, except fulfilling your "needs"). But if you don't have the *needs* (I repeat: don't have the needs for pleasure!), you will NOT mourn the loss of pleasure (you will not feel it anyway) because it doesn't do anything.

If you take a computer game, for example, where you must type really fast, that is different: even if you don't have the NEED to play it (that's not really adequate because it's mentally related, not instinctually, but let's just assume that it is), you will still "lose" something -- that is, probably exercising to type faster. But pleasure? That does nothing. In fact it does something: makes your brain less active and/or makes you feel better by not using your brain. Which is a bad sign for a sentient being

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No, this is true only from the black sheep's point of view - but the black sheep doesn't get to decide what is more efficient. It brings us back to what Binabik asked you earlier in the thread - where are you going with all this? Efficient for what purpose? Would an asexual humankind be more efficient than a sexual one? Maybe at solving crosswords, but not as a species...
For our lives, obviously. Let me put this in perspective: a guy who eats 5 times as much as another one in order to attain the same level of needs/fulfillment is a waste compared to the other one. Wastes food, so to speak (esp. if he could undergo some treatment).

If you don't NEED something, and you are still the same as someone who needs, then you are more efficient. Objectively. I have no idea what you mean "for what purpose" -- efficiency doesn't have a purpose, efficiency simply exists as a comparison/relative to entities. If an entity takes more energy to accomplish it's task (same), then it's less efficient. Likewise if a human has more NEEDS for the same stuff he is less efficient. Of course this isn't as bad as pleasure (bad in the sense of wasteful), at least that's gonna put some mental activity into the job.

Besides, even if we converted these 'needs' into others it would still be better (unless those 'other' needs are pleasure as well though). Because that would develop insight, creativity or simply mental exercise. Pleasure does none, because it's in the primitive brain section which doesn't really affect/exercise your conscious/reason part (in fact, it actually silences it a bit, depending on pleasure in question).

Take computer processors as an example: a cpu which requires twice the amount of power to "do its stuff" (replace with: feel 'normal' for a human) is a lot less efficient than the other one. Plain and simple. Regardless of the job it's supposed to do. And no, in our case "sex" isn't the 'job', it is the NEEDS. If they don't exist, then we don't have to "complete the job" at all. It's more efficient to not have thieves in the first place than to have police which catch them and "complete the job". Objectively.

Less needs, same 'performance' --> better CPU.

Even if you still NEED pleasure, your goal is not to have sex, it is to feel/experience pleasure. So you could use EEE instead, for example (although we're going in circles by this point).
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posted February 16, 2009 03:07 AM

Yes - if it's a means. But it's an end. A guy who needs to eat five times as much to live is obviously less efficient than a regular guy. On the other hand, a guy who enjoys eating and thus eats 5 times more is different.
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posted February 16, 2009 03:34 AM
Edited by Vlaad at 03:35, 16 Feb 2009.

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I provided articles where sex actually lowers your life span. Is that an investment you want?
Did you bother googling "benefits of sex"?
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I have no idea what you mean "for what purpose" -- efficiency doesn't have a purpose, efficiency simply exists as a comparison/relative to entities.
On the contrary, "efficiency" implies purpose. Why would one want to be more efficient? Try to give me examples rather than analogies. I'm not asking you for the answer, but would like to hear your answer.
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posted February 16, 2009 04:42 AM

*scratches head*

did i miss something or is TheDeath completely oblivious to the social and psychological aspects and benefits of sex? (i won't even get to the biological benefits, a simple google search will suffice anyway)
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posted February 16, 2009 07:22 AM

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Well I'm pretty sure starving children in Africa are perfectly happy with just having food. Why you want more than them?
It's always the more we have, the more we want -- and consequently the harder our "needs" are satisfied.

1. I don't get what your example is supposed to say. Ehm yes children in Africa are perfectly with just having food. But you weren't talking about people who were in desperate (desperate as in dying without it) need of something. This is about people who can afford the object of their desire but don't do it.
You say they'll do it I say they won't. Certainly they will in many cases but that "It's always the more we have, the more we want" is wrong. In particulary the "always". People can be happy with what they have and there is such a thing as restraint. But yeah if you want to believe what you say feel free.
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"defense on arrogance" when you defend something by calling stuff BS or whatever

I didn't defend it by calling your stuff BS. I just called your stuff BS. I didn't say I'm right because you're wrong. I just said what I think about the subject and that your stuff is wack (since you base all your knowledge about sex on your analysis stuff but yeah to you human beings probably are everything that can be figured out by machines. Nothing more lol).
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Apparently you are so blinded by this calm rage of defending fanatically that you can't even read properly, even less argue properly... if you can't read properly

I really didn't see what that has to do with the subject but ehm ok I guess? And what the hell am I defending "fanatically" lol? I have what? 3 posts in this thread^^? Of which no one is particulary aggresive? But sure if name calling will make you feel better go for it. I'm not here to fight. I just don't like how you talk down on everybody here just because they don't come with some proof from somewhere on the internet that what they say IS true. Your arrogance is what puts me off the most (which makes discussion with you completely useless from my point of view)
You see when I say stuff like "You have no idea what you're talking about do you?" it's not ment as an insult. It's just a fact. You're still a virgin aren't you? So how could you know everything about sex? As I said before there is more to it than what sensors tell you. And this is by far not the same as
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The junkie's "higher dimension" when he gets high.
(just incase you thought that)
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You know what's BS? Pure speculation without any arguments (sorry if I don't take "I'm tired of that utter BS" as an argument).

Yes pure speculation is indeed BS. But I'm so sorry to tell you that what I say isn't just pure speculation. But as I just said since I can't come with a university study from Prof. X on the subject that sex solves the worlds problems you won't believe me. And I simply don't have the time (nor do I actually really see the point in it) to search for some proof on the internet just so that something like you takes me serious.

I know that sex isn't all about pleasure (mind you of course it can be) and I just as much know that I'm no biased junky etc. but you'll put me off as some radom idiot who's incredibly naive. Not that I mind it's just sad that you don't even take me slightly serious. Well on second thought it isn't sad lol.
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posted February 16, 2009 09:00 AM
Edited by JollyJoker at 09:47, 16 Feb 2009.

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"Are there asexual artists?", that's what I was asking - and you didn't answer that, which I take as a NO.

What kinda logic is that?
if they can appreciate it of course they can be.
That's supposed to be logical? If you can appreciate something you can do it yourself? Are you having too much sex or what?
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The only stupid thinking I see here is yours: monocausality has never led to good results, and while the ABILITY to be artistically creative is one thing, the inspiration is another. Show me the asexual artists, please. If you do that, we can talk from that point on. But if you can't, then evidence is against you, and you have no point.
Evidence against me?
You are making the claim that they cannot be artists. This is your claim,
Nope. YOU claim your pleasure stuff and come with asexuals, that they are fine and so on. I think, however, that sex has more benefits than only one and suspect that removing it would have more consequences, so I just wanted you to show me an asexual artist to prove your point. You can't? Where is your point then?
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But hey, I have to waste time anyway... blablablablabla...
This is downright dishonest to those people... blablabla... I dare you to post these speculations in that forum... blablabla... If you do that (not even looking at replies yet anyway) we can discuss this further... blablabla...
I'm sorry if I sounded a bit aggressive but I cannot stand these accusations... blablabla... Even in gays it's less worse, since there it's usually moral argument, not argument claiming they are less capable than us. In fact, if anything, they are MORE capable than us, just like a blind guy is MORE capable at other senses and/or neuronal activity (since those neurons aren't used for vision anymore). Someone without a sexual drive will be more capable at dealing with other things, on average.

Now this is pretty interesting. You claim, that removing the sex drive will make humans "more efficient", and you celebrate the asexuals as examples for that. I want you to show me an asexual artist, since I don't believe that, and look at your reaction: you get a fit, because I'm supposedly accusing them of being less capable than us - and then you go on claiming that in fact THEY are more capable than US. And for that you come up with the blind example.
In fact, you are just smoke-screening, it seems to me. Show me an asexual artist, please.
But actually it's even worth. The blind example works the following way: A blind person is MISSING something - that's why they COMPENSATE for it. However, you insist on the sex drive being UNNECESSARY and no one will miss it if they don't have it. If that was true, there was no necessity to compensate for something, which would mean that asexuals would be the same as the rest, just without the sex drive and everything pertaining to it.
On the other hand, if there WAS something to compensate... are you really thinking that a blind guy is better off than a seeing one because his other senses are working better due to more training?

See, that's why I think you are just leaving the sane sector.

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You speculate, I give examples. The interesting thing here is, I don't have to disprove anything to show what love can be. I just need one example for that... to prove there's a black sheep, you can't just provide examples of ANY amount of white sheep you want. Just ONE example of a black sheep is enough
Not, when you want to change the whole humanity on the foundation of that one example. In that case you'll have a whole world to prove, and if you cannot do that, you can make whatever you want to with yourself, but that's it. If you look hard enough you'll find a sheep with 2 heads as well, but what does that prove?
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Where is your prove? There is none. Just an unfounded claim, nothing more.
Proof for what?
Rape? (at least some forms of it, like pedophilia for example) Cheating? All the other SOCIAL PROBLEMS this 'pleasure' creates? That it wouldn't exist otherwise?
This shows that you have really no idea what you are talking about. Because the only thing that these have to do with sex is that the perpetrators are abusing it for something else. With cheating on the other hand, the problem isn't sex, obviously, as the term already says. It's cheating, and it's not limited to relationships. You don't damn vehicles because some people are not using them to move from A to B, but to prove something and race on the streets, endangering others, for example.
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I think you are leaving the sane sector now.
What is that supposed to mean? Do not resort to claims like these when you can't reply, you know what I meant. But in case you haven't, here's a stripped summary: Some people are satisfied with far less than others. Now we could have this pill that makes people have less needs, is what I said. What's not "sane" here?
I'm talking about one-shot pill that removes, let's say, your sexual drive. Not a weekly-pill or daily-pill (Pill may not be the right word, however, in case you are familiar I was referring to nano-bots put in pills btw ).
I highlighted the insane part for you. Why not lobotomize all people? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobotomy

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Your definition isn't wide, it's wrong.
Ok so what do you want? A new word so we can talk, or do you want me to explain everytime what I mean about it and waste already even more time?
I want you to stop inventing definitions that have no purpose except fitting yours, but lead to major problems with everything else.
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That's the "Frankenstein-Complex".


If you're poor, all you need is food to feel happy. If you're rich, you will need, let's say, an expensive video game (and obviously, food as well!).
That's not just stupid, Death, that's brain-dead. This is probebly the most nonsensical thing I've read in a very long time, and, frankly, with this quote in mind I have some major difficulties to take anything serious you say.

Edit: Dear me, I just read the rest of the posts here after your (Death's) reply to my last post, and it didn't become more coherent. I consider this one good example for a glaring logical error as well:
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Not so with pleasure. It serves NO purpose whatsoever except for just feeling it, which wouldn't even be.
While this sentence makes no sense as such (which wouldn't even be WHAT?), let's just consider the statement that pleasure doesn't serve a purpose except feeling it, which makes sense only, if you know the purpose of living AND that purpose would not be compatible with feeling anything for feeling's sake (not even touching the subject whether the statement is true or not).
Better even, while allegedly feeling pleasure doesn't serve a pupose except feeling it, "efficiency" doesn't need to serve a purpose, but it's purpose in itself.

Looks like Death has solved all mysteries of existance.

Am I the only one who think he's lost it?




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Doomforge
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posted February 16, 2009 11:54 AM

Tbh, Death's arguments are becoming scary.

Death, I know you enjoy the talk and so on, but searching for a way to make better humans.. sexless, efficient, etc.. Is always SCARY.
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posted February 16, 2009 12:11 PM

Hmm I don't need to point out that rape is rarely about 'sex' do I? Rather not do that.  Sex is a healthy, natural thing.  As is the Human body.  People fear it (for some crazy reason) and try to hide it or make it wrong..but it is not.  Worse, trying to hide it, push it down, and otherwise covers it up actually has a detrimental affect.  If it wasn't so taboo, people would not think about it as much, and would not be as tempted by it so much.  Or at least in my opinion.

Now drugs..medicine is just legalized drugs.  It can alter your personality, be addictive, and cause side effects.  Now I am not saying doing drugs is a good thing, not in the least..but again I think a lot of it is the 'forbidden fruit' aspect.  Human nature is to want what we can't/shouldn't have.  Again..just my opinion on the matter.

Again this has been a chaotic addition to the discussion by Mytical..carry on
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posted February 16, 2009 12:20 PM

I agree. I hate taboos. I hate "prohibited subjects". I hate prudery. If people were more open about sex, a lot of misunderstanding and bigotry would just disappear.
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posted February 16, 2009 02:26 PM

10 heatht benefits of sex

Among the benefits of healthy loving in a relationship:

1. Sex Relieves Stress

A big health benefit of sex is lower blood pressure and overall stress reduction, according to researchers from Scotland who reported their findings in the journal Biological Psychology. They studied 24 women and 22 men who kept records of their sexual activity. Then the researchers subjected them to stressful situations -- such as speaking in public and doing verbal arithmetic -- and noted their blood pressure response to stress.

Those who had intercourse had better responses to stress than those who engaged in other sexual behaviors or abstained.

Another study published in the same journal found that frequent intercourse was associated with lower diastolic blood pressure in cohabiting participants. Yet other research found a link between partner hugs and lower blood pressure in women.

2. Sex Boosts Immunity

Good sexual health may mean better physical health. Having sex once or twice a week has been linked with higher levels of an antibody called immunoglobulin A or IgA, which can protect you from getting colds and other infections. Scientists at Wilkes University in Wilkes-Barre, Pa., took samples of saliva, which contain IgA, from 112 college students who reported the frequency of sex they had.

Those in the "frequent" group -- once or twice a week -- had higher levels of IgA than those in the other three groups -- who reported being abstinent, having sex less than once a week, or having it very often, three or more times weekly.

3. Sex Burns Calories

Thirty minutes of sex burns 85 calories or more. It may not sound like much, but it adds up: 42 half-hour sessions will burn 3,570 calories, more than enough to lose a pound. Doubling up, you could drop that pound in 21 hour-long sessions.

"Sex is a great mode of exercise," says Patti Britton, PhD, a Los Angeles sexologist and president of the American Association of Sexuality Educators and Therapists. It takes work, from both a physical and psychological perspective, to do it well, she says.

4. Sex Improves Cardiovascular Health

While some older folks may worry that the efforts expended during sex could cause a stroke, that's not so, according to researchers from England. In a study published in the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health, scientists found frequency of sex was not associated with stroke in the 914 men they followed for 20 years.

And the heart health benefits of sex don't end there. The researchers also found that having sex twice or more a week reduced the risk of fatal heart attack by half for the men, compared with those who had sex less than once a month.

5. Sex Boosts Self-Esteem

Boosting self-esteem was one of 237 reasons people have sex, collected by University of Texas researchers and published in the Archives of Sexual Behavior.

That finding makes sense to Gina Ogden, PhD, a sex therapist and marriage and family therapist in Cambridge, Mass., although she finds that those who already have self-esteem say they sometimes have sex to feel even better. "One of the reasons people say they have sex is to feel good about themselves," she tells WebMD. "Great sex begins with self-esteem, and it raises it. If the sex is loving, connected, and what you want, it raises it."
6. Sex Improves Intimacy

Having sex and orgasms increases levels of the hormone oxytocin, the so-called love hormone, which helps us bond and build trust. Researchers from the University of Pittsburgh and the University of North Carolina evaluated 59 premenopausal women before and after warm contact with their husbands and partners ending with hugs. They found that the more contact, the higher the oxytocin levels.

"Oxytocin allows us to feel the urge to nurture and to bond," Britton says.

Higher oxytocin has also been linked with a feeling of generosity. So if you're feeling suddenly more generous toward your partner than usual, credit the love hormone.

7. Sex Reduces Pain

As the hormone oxytocin surges, endorphins increase, and pain declines. So if your headache, arthritis pain, or PMS symptoms seem to improve after sex, you can thank those higher oxytocin levels.

In a study published in the Bulletin of Experimental Biology and Medicine, 48 volunteers who inhaled oxytocin vapor and then had their fingers pricked lowered their pain threshold by more than half.

8. Sex Reduces Prostate Cancer Risk

Frequent ejaculations, especially in 20-something men, may reduce the risk of prostate cancer later in life, Australian researchers reported in the British Journal of Urology International. When they followed men diagnosed with prostate cancer and those without, they found no association of prostate cancer with the number of sexual partners as the men reached their 30s, 40s, and 50s.

But they found men who had five or more ejaculations weekly while in their 20s reduced their risk of getting prostate cancer later by a third.

Another study, reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association, found that frequent ejaculations, 21 or more a month, were linked to lower prostate cancer risk in older men, as well, compared with less frequent ejaculations of four to seven monthly.

9. Sex Strengthens Pelvic Floor Muscles

For women, doing a few pelvic floor muscle exercises known as Kegels during sex offers a couple of benefits. You will enjoy more pleasure, and you'll also strengthen the area and help to minimize the risk of incontinence later in life.

To do a basic Kegel exercise, tighten the muscles of your pelvic floor, as if you're trying to stop the flow of urine. Count to three, then release.

10. Sex Helps You Sleep Better

The oxytocin released during orgasm also promotes sleep, according to research.

And getting enough sleep has been linked with a host of other good things, such as maintaining a healthy weight and blood pressure. Something to think about, especially if you've been wondering why your guy can be active one minute and snoring the next.
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posted July 24, 2017 03:14 AM

there is no other thread in all of hc that was THIS made for me.

sex is great, and has many benefits; which everyone can share. it can also be bad, if you catch a disease(). but sex isn't for everyone; specifically dumbasses who don't know how to pull out, and thus, prevent offspring.

drugs are great, but not everyone can do them, or benefit from them; dumbasses and people with closed minds, specifically. not every drug is great(some, like heroin, crack, pcp, and crystal meth, are horrible for you; which is why i'll never do them), but not every time you have sex will be great, either. it's easy to get injured during sex; especially for men. primarily because, our external sex organ, while rigid and filled with blood, can be bent through sexual mishaps. i saw it once in a porno, and i cringed when i saw it.

and then, not long ago, i bent my own(and from a different sexual position, as well). i was worried that i was going to be permanently damaged. so far, i'm fine, but i have to be more careful. also, it's a good idea to exercise and stretch regularly if you're more active sexually. not only will you be more limber(which leads to more interesting sexual positions), but you will also decrease the chances of pulled or cramped muscles. remember to stay hydrated(for obvious reasons); and if you're a guy, it's a good idea to drink a lot of pineapple juice(just google it). also, google how to increase your amount of ejaculate(men), and make sure to do kegel exercises(both men and women). google that too, if you don't know why i'm mentioning that.

as far as drugs go, marijuana is ok(some people i know, can function really well while high on weed. lol, i am not one of those people; which is why i tend to avoid it), but hallucinogens are much better(though, your use of them should be MUCH less frequent than anything containing thc. as well, harder drugs like coke, x, or anything else stronger than weed shouldn't be used frequently, either). much can be learned from hallucinogens, if you want to actually expand your mind, and not take them as merely a "fun" drug. but again, drugs aren't for everyone. addictive personalities can easily move up the drug scale if they don't use their senses and pause for reflective thinking, and can become drug addicts as easy as a typical dumbass could. but then, people without common sense should never take drugs in the first place. OR have sex(because these same kinds of people are the ones having unplanned children; either because they're too stupid to use a condom, or they're too stupid to pull out because they can't tell when they're close to orgasm. this kind of thing is much more prevalent than people think).

anyway, people, be smart when taking drugs or having sex, and you'll be fine. really, you should always be smart when doing something that could potentially ruin your life.

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posted July 24, 2017 05:39 PM

In my experience with drugs from sniffing glue and petrol to coke is that your mindset plays a critical role in what you get out of it (same applies to alcohol, though something like Absinthe/Palinka are excempt from the rule, since primal mode is active when consumed). For instance blazing up and trying to chill almost never worked for me when I got things on my mind, when I casually smoke it that's the best, the paranoia episodes are very intriguing, since it doesn't feel like an external influence (nor is it), with enough intelligence in such a state you could work over some serious issues with ease (but that said if you had that mentality you wouldn't be in that scenario in the first place).  
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posted July 24, 2017 10:49 PM

oh yeah, i forgot absinthe. i prefer the drug in it, to the black licorice flavor, which i hate. i would much more recommend this, if you aren't a fan of black licorice. it's not a hard drug by any means, but it's better than drinking pure absinthe, imo.

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tSar-Ivor
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posted July 25, 2017 12:23 AM

A buddy of mine produces the absinthe I drink, I tastes exactly how I dreamed, the store bought crap tastes like synthetic liquirice
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