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TheDeath
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posted February 08, 2009 06:43 PM

Yeah right, mvass can play Heroes 5 so easy with those specs

Btw I always thought that being popular makes it more stable because it's updated more frequently...
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posted February 08, 2009 06:52 PM

You have an 8-year old laptop that can run H5? What are its specs?
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posted February 08, 2009 06:55 PM

*tsks at TheDeath*

addicted to strawmen i see

i never said he could play Heroes on those specs, only that linux would run comfortably,for games just follow the recommended specs (replacing Windows with WINE)

and as with many things, popularity doesn't equal perfection

if we assume a linux distribution is like a house, most distributions start from the foundations... Ubuntu (in all its flavours) starts from the curtains... yes, they are kickass curtains, but they sorta lack the wall to hang from
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posted February 08, 2009 06:56 PM

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and as with many things, popularity doesn't equal perfection
No but doesn't it equal more updates?

By the way, are you ever sarcastic? You don't seem to like sarcasm too much (my previous post)
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posted February 08, 2009 06:59 PM

mmmm

sarcastic? fairly often... ironic even more so

all linux distros have roughly the same update intervals... its just that most of them are better equiped to handle them
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posted February 08, 2009 08:45 PM

Ubuntu's the most user friendly and unless you speak terminal, the best to start with.
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posted February 08, 2009 09:05 PM

*snorts*

hardly... both Opensuse and Fedora are a lot lot lot lot lot lot more user friendly than Ubuntu... Ubuntu just has the rep
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posted February 09, 2009 12:42 PM

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hardly... both Opensuse and Fedora are a lot lot lot lot lot lot more user friendly than Ubuntu... Ubuntu just has the rep


I agree with you, however Ubuntu has the big help file And that is a little about what its about.
But imo, once you get the system running(barely takes time anyway) there is no real difference betwhen the distroes. Well unless we do a Debian vs Slackware debat that is

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So how well does stuff run under Wine?


Roughly the same to better speeds than under Windows.
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posted February 20, 2009 04:34 AM

Hmm... I'm considering Xubuntu. Convince me why I should switch and not stay with XP.
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posted February 20, 2009 07:47 AM

Has any one suggested older windows 98/2000 etc? I didn't have time to read it all, sorry if it was mentioned.
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posted February 21, 2009 02:57 AM

If you don't you will



Comon, its not like we get something from convincing you to use it. You asked if it is a good operating system. We said yes. But its your choice. That's like asking us to convince you what to wear today Also if you were looking for feedback on xubuntu, it's fine.
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posted February 21, 2009 04:55 AM

Actually, never mind. I'm staying with XP. I learned that Xubuntu requires 192 MB of RAM, and 256 MB is strongly recommended, while XP requires only 64 MB, and only uses up 95 MB on my computer. So I think XP has better performance.
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posted February 21, 2009 06:50 AM

...

first of all, you have rediculously low ram

second of all, this simply means linux in general uses more memory than windows (which, is not quite what you may think) ...all in all, linux uses your resources a lot more efficiently (which translates to better performance)
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posted February 21, 2009 07:16 AM

so many thoughts come into my mind, but I will just say this:
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posted February 21, 2009 07:20 PM

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all in all, linux uses your resources a lot more efficiently (which translates to better performance)
What do you mean?

And what were you going to say, Dimis?
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posted February 21, 2009 07:25 PM

mvassilev, even Windows uses as much RAM as it can, when you do absolutely every disk access -- it 'caches' it into RAM. This is expendable of course, as at any moment an application needs that RAM it is given to it (since it only serves the purpose of being faster by reading directly the data cached into RAM than from the harddisk).

Example: You have 1 GB of RAM and use 'only' 64MB as it is seen in the task manager. What the task manager doesn't show you, is that if you watch a movie 700MB in size (for example), it is cached into RAM. If you watch it later again, you'll notice your HD activity drops to 0, because it is put into RAM.

If you run a game, and needs 512MB, then a lot of the movie cached will be redirected towards the game (since cache is less important than an application who NEEDS the RAM, it's just there to increase performance).

So no matter what first, more RAM = more performance and possibly more HD life as well, if you access the same files over and over again while still being cached.

This is just ONE example of an efficient memory manager, which even Windows has btw.
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posted February 21, 2009 07:32 PM

Yes, I understand that, and know that more RAM is better, but how is Linux more efficient if it uses more RAM?
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posted February 21, 2009 07:39 PM

I'm not familiar with Linux but here's something to ponder about:

Calculating whether a number is prime or not is a slow process. To speed it up, you can use directly a binary "lookup table" -- each number having a respective index into this 'table' (array of bits), so number 5 would be index 5 into the table, which reads '1' as it is a prime. This is MUCH faster than computing and seeing if it's prime or not with computations, but it also uses a lot more memory (of course it has an upper limit).

The first 10 terms in the table would look like (starting with index 1):

1110101000

guess why


There are also other methods, combinations of 'tables' with computations, for increased efficiency over non-table methods but lower memory consumption than a brute-force table. Sort of like a compromise.

This is one example of course, nothing you are interested in (you don't work with Computer Algebra systems right?) but since I'm not familiar with Linux I just gave you an example of how it is possible to use more memory and be more efficient.
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posted February 22, 2009 02:17 AM
Edited by del_diablo at 02:21, 22 Feb 2009.

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Actually, never mind. I'm staying with XP. I learned that Xubuntu requires 192 MB of RAM, and 256 MB is strongly recommended, while XP requires only 64 MB, and only uses up 95 MB on my computer. So I think XP has better performance.


You know, that is called underspecing. There is NO WAY Win XP only needs 95 mb of RAM, you need alot more. To put it bluntly, they did the same ting to Vista(it got 512 mb RAM minimum requirement, it won't run properly without atleast 2 gigs).
Or to put it the other way, they put up the amount needed to run the deskop enviroment with programs. Run it with Windows minimum specs and it will be slower than a snail, but it will run.
Or to put it even more bluntly, Xp's minimum requirement is a lie. Running poorly and slow is not running properly.

Death: Linux uses RAM about the same way as Windows, the difference is that it have had the "safe mecanismes" and separation betwhen the computer parts for ages.

Edit, 2 major arguments for Linux;
*No need for AV
*Open Source
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posted February 22, 2009 02:20 AM
Edited by Asheera at 02:20, 22 Feb 2009.

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Or to put it even more bluntly, Xp's minimum requirement is a lie. Running poorly and slow is not running properly.
No it's not a lie, but that's for a clean install without any drivers or other startup programs that take a lot of RAM.
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