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posted February 25, 2009 02:13 AM |
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mvasslivs: Yes.
For the note: "Real men don't take backups, they cry alot" Could be nice to backup the saved games  Or the browsers bokmarks.
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posted February 28, 2009 06:39 PM |
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I just installed Ubuntu model: Crunchbang myself on a 8gb big USB-pen. It boots on ANY PC with support for booting from USB pens i BIOS(and that is quite a few).
The most fun difference was that it shipped with 2 things to do the wallpapers(only of them was activated ofcourse.) xD But it also shipped with about all Ubuntu reposes(restricted, media, etc), so it was easy as a pie
The only problem is that its a bottleneck(write speed on a pen and the max data transfer limit on USB 2), and beyond that it works like a dream.
I think(using another PC at the moment) that with all my needed programs i used around 2,someting of gigs of space. Added on with the support for reading the NTFS partition, the amount won't really grow.
And everything based on Ubuntu apparently got Gparted.
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posted February 28, 2009 07:05 PM |
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It's not a good idea to use a USB pen for normal operating systems -- that's why there are "live" versions around. It's not just the write speed, but the write-limit. Especially cheaper USB-pens have a limited number of write-cycles on a given byte.
That's why SSDs exist (and are expensive).
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posted February 28, 2009 08:15 PM |
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It's not a good idea to use a USB pen for normal operating systems -- that's why there are "live" versions around. It's not just the write speed, but the write-limit. Especially cheaper USB-pens have a limited number of write-cycles on a given byte.
That's why SSDs exist (and are expensive).
Yeah, but Live systems cannot save config.
Besides it was for the experiment, i highly doubt i will reach the writing cycle limit that fast(i ain't using it as ram ).
Besides it just pwns to have a OS around your neck 
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posted March 01, 2009 07:29 PM |
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I'm seriously considering Wubi, as it doesn't require any partitions - and is therefore much simpler, and I don't have to worry about making a backup. But how well does it work? And so I just install it, and what then? How will I access Windows and Ubuntu? Will there be a choice when the computer boots?
Incidentally, my C: drive has 18.6 GB of space total. It has 5.4 GB of free space. Its four largest folders (Documents and Settings, Games, Program Files, and Windows) add up to 11.3 GB. So it all adds up to 16.7 GB. None of the other stuff on my computer is nearly as big - two large system files (about 250 MB each) and that's it. So it adds up to 17.2 GB. Where is the other 1.4 GB?
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posted March 01, 2009 09:31 PM |
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There are hidden files, for example, the Page File (used when your RAM is not enough) or the System Restore function which also takes up space.
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posted March 01, 2009 10:04 PM |
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I use Total Commander instead of Windows Explorer so I can see most hidden files. But you can do it in Explorer too:
1) Go into Explorer
2) Tools->Folder Options...
3) Click on the View tab
4) There should be a Hidden Files and Folders and two options with a radio button. Select the Show hidden files and folders one.
See how much you have now.
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posted March 01, 2009 10:09 PM |
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posted March 01, 2009 10:12 PM |
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Well then it probably means you have recovery, as it's the 'standard' one to make files inaccessible. Either that, or a full recycle bin, or maybe you installed some crazy apps? 
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posted March 01, 2009 10:16 PM |
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My Recycle Bin is empty, and I have no "crazy apps". So I guess it must be System Restore.
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posted March 01, 2009 10:19 PM |
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Well Turn it off and see if you get that memory back.
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posted March 01, 2009 11:00 PM |
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I don't want to turn System Restore off - I'll lose my restore points.
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posted March 02, 2009 03:03 AM |
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Well I didn't know you care about restores so much but then I understand. Just look at how big it is and compare with that space and see if it's closely matched.
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posted March 02, 2009 03:54 AM |
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I don't want to turn System Restore off - I'll lose my restore points.
Apart from feeling safe (whatever that means), have you actually used System Restore; especially in a very efficient way (i.e. do something quickly that you wouldn't be able to otherwise)?
The only time I have System Restore on is when I forget to turn it off after a fresh install. 
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posted March 02, 2009 04:02 AM |
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have you actually used System Restore
Yes, occasionally when an installation of something messes up.
Anyway, I've downloaded Wubi and installed Xubuntu. *cheers from Linuxoids* And I must confess that I'm disappointed. It works, yes. But it takes an insanely long time to load up, runs slower than XP, and has no advantages that I can see. Plus it's sitting there and taking up 4 GB of space on my hard drive. And I'm going to have to move a bunch of files into it, and just generally get used to it.
Why should I bother keeping it.
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posted March 02, 2009 04:41 AM |
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I guess not all stories have a happy end...
Btw, how much ram does it occupy when you initially boot? This is out of curiosity, although I am not very brave on the answer. Probably you can view that with the taskmanager:
If you don't know probably this sequence will help:
Alt+F2
xfce4-taskmanager
Which browser do you use?
Tell us more about your short experience
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posted March 02, 2009 04:54 AM |
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I don't remember, as I'm logged into XP right now and it would take about 5 minutes to log into Xubuntu. But it definitely used more than 150 MB of RAM.
As for the browser, I used Firefox, but I couldn't go online because my network is password-protected, and I don't know the password. I'll have to ask about it.
But yeah. It took forever to install, and it loads slowly.
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posted March 02, 2009 04:57 AM |
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From faq of wubi:
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The performance is identical to a standard installation, except for hard-disk access which is slightly slower than an installation to a dedicated partition. If your hard disk is very fragmented the performance will degenerate.
In general, booting will take you more than XP no matter what; for that not many things can be done. On the other hand, if you don't turn off your machine frequently, then it doesn't become a problem, because in the long run this makes it even faster.
Coming back to the quote, I don't know to what extent what they write is true and how dramatically things can change with a dedicated partition. BUT, your solution is stretching everything that linux can give you. An old configuration, with a (old too) hard drive ready to explode coz of no space, and no dedicated partition. I am saying it again: I am not claiming that things would be dramatically different otherwise, since I don't know, but you should recognize at least the easiness in which you have a working (or at least it seems so) installation under these circumstances.
Recently a friend of mine came for some help on installing debian on a notebook that came with vista pre-installed. I told him to come with a cd of win, so that we can create everything (partitions) from scratch, but in the end he read somewhere online that vista had a partition manager. Well, we ended up using that (coz he didn't bring the cd), but Vista did not allow us for a partition larger than half of the free space that he had. And he had more than 100 gigs...
All I am trying to say is be fare on what you see. Besides, most likely for your needs *and this computer*, windows is a better alternative.
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posted March 02, 2009 05:01 AM |
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Windows is probably a better alternative for me. So, unless someone else has something to add, I'm probably going to uninstall it tomorrow afternoon.
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posted March 02, 2009 05:17 AM |
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do you remember what other desktop environments had as options when you installed it?
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