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posted March 04, 2009 04:19 AM
Edited by dimis at 04:20, 04 Mar 2009.

I see.
First of all can you issue the command:
cat /etc/apt/sources-list
and print the output with a post here?

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posted March 04, 2009 04:24 AM

In any case though, you should be able to resolve the problem by issuing the command that was suggested to you.
I.e.
1] open a terminal (or keep one open the whole time).
2] Give:
sudo su
This way you have "root" power on the terminal and no longer do you have to precede the commands with the "sudo" directive.
3] Give:
dpkg --configure -a
This should do the trick and fix your problem.

But I insist on posting the output of the command:
cat /etc/apt/sources-list
Probably we need to fix the repositories (<-- these are addresses where you can get "bundles" of packages for your distribution).
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posted March 04, 2009 04:30 AM
Edited by mvassilev at 04:36, 04 Mar 2009.

cat: /etc/apt/sources-list: No such file or directory

And Synaptic Package Manager works now. It downloaded Flash Player. For some reason, my computer locked up while downloading Flash Player earlier today, and I had to restart. And now it downloaded it.
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posted March 04, 2009 04:34 AM
Edited by dimis at 04:37, 04 Mar 2009.

Right.
The name is:
sources.list
not hyphen list; i.e.
cat /etc/apt/sources.list
Sorry about that
By the way, try to type (without pressing enter in the end):
cat /etc/apt/sou
and then type "Tab" and enter. You have auto-completion and you can avoid some possible minor mistakes like these.

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posted March 04, 2009 04:38 AM

cat: /etc/sudo/su: No such file or directory
cat: Tab: No such file or directory
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posted March 04, 2009 04:41 AM

you are not typing exactly what I say.

Copy - paste the following command to your terminal:

cat /etc/apt/sources.list

and give us the output.
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posted March 04, 2009 04:49 AM
Edited by mvassilev at 04:54, 04 Mar 2009.

## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's
## 'partner' repository. This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is
## offered by Canonical and the respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu
## users.
# deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu intrepid partner
# deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu intrepid partner

# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
#deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
#deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
#deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security universe
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
#deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security universe
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
#deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security multiverse
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
#deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security multiverse
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posted March 04, 2009 04:54 AM

Ok.
1) First make sure you are recognized as root by the terminal.
Give the (identity-crisis) command:
whoami
If the answer is "root" we are fine. If not, issue the command
sudo su
give your root password, and now we are fine.
(Check the output whoami once again to notice the difference).

2) Let's do what the system suggested.
Give the command (being "root"):
dpkg --configure -a

What happened? What is the output of
cat /etc/apt/sources.list
now?
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posted March 04, 2009 04:59 AM

Quote:
What happened? What is the output of
cat /etc/apt/sources.list
now?
## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's
## 'partner' repository. This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is
## offered by Canonical and the respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu
## users.
# deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu intrepid partner
# deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu intrepid partner

# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
#deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
#deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
#deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security universe
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
#deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security universe
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
#deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security multiverse
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
#deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security multiverse

But I got the Synaptic Package Manager to work, and downloaded the package. What do I do now?
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posted March 04, 2009 05:04 AM

Well, the fact that it "works" is very strange because all the entries in your sources.list file start with a # sign which means they are ignored since they are comments. Are you sure you did everything in the order I wrote? (i.e. first dpkg --configure -a, and then cat /etc/apt/sources.list)

Anyway though, for now let's try to install fvwm-crystal.
So, you reach the part where you want to search for a specific package.
So, search for "fvwm-crystal". There is a search button on top of the window (near the middle).
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posted March 04, 2009 05:09 AM

Oops, I didn't do it exactly the way you asked. Now I did, and here's what it said:
#deb cdrom:[Xubuntu 8.10 _Intrepid Ibex_ - Release i386 (20081030.3)]/ intrepid main multiverse restricted
# See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to
# newer versions of the distribution.

deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid main restricted

## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
## distribution.
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates main restricted

## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
## team. Also, please note that software in universe WILL NOT receive any
## review or updates from the Ubuntu security team.
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid universe
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid universe
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates universe
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates universe

## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu
## security team.
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid multiverse
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid multiverse
deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates multiverse
deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-updates multiverse

## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from the 'backports'
## repository.
## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as
## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes
## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features.
## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review
## or updates from the Ubuntu security team.
# deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-backports main restricted universe multiverse
# deb-src http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ intrepid-backports main restricted universe multiverse

## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's
## 'partner' repository. This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is
## offered by Canonical and the respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu
## users.
# deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu intrepid partner
# deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu intrepid partner

# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
#deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
#deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security main restricted
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
#deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security universe
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
#deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security universe
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
#deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security multiverse
# Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify:
#deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu intrepid-security multiverse

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Anyway though, for now let's try to install fvwm-crystal.
So, you reach the part where you want to search for a specific package.
So, search for "fvwm-crystal". There is a search button on top of the window (near the middle).
I already did all this and downloaded it. Now what?
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posted March 04, 2009 05:18 AM
Edited by dimis at 05:26, 04 Mar 2009.

Quote:
I already did all this and downloaded it. Now what?

Read and write down exactly what I write :
1) log out, and
2) try to log in again BUT do not do all the steps.
So, give your username,
press tab or enter
give your password
and do not press tab or enter.
Instead look at the lower part of the screen (or right below the entry of your password).
There should have some options regarding your login. One of them allows you to choose your window-manager for the coming session. Instead of "xfce" pick "fvwm-crystal".
3) Now press enter and log in (say that you only want to switch to "fvwm-crystal" only this time - this will make sense when you reach that step).

If for some reason you can not find a way of logging out from fvwm just press Ctrl+Alt+Backspace. This restarts your x-server which will cause you to log out.
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posted March 04, 2009 05:49 AM

Okay, I did that, tried it for a bit, and now I'm back in Xubuntu.\

Pros:
Very fast.

Cons:
Can't figure out how:
1. to switch themes to something more usable
2. connect to the network
3. launch Firefox.
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posted March 04, 2009 06:17 AM

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Quote:
Okay, I did that, tried it for a bit, and now I'm back in Xubuntu.
Don't get me wrong, I am correcting you here so that it's easier to communicate in the future. The "entire thing" that you have installed is "Xubuntu"; just like we say "Windows XP". However, the default window-manager for Xubuntu is "xfce". This is what you use instead of "fvwm-crystal" which you just tried. Both of them run over "Xubuntu". I am just explaining these so that they are clear; I hope you are ok with that.

Quote:
Pros:
Very fast.

Cons:
Can't figure out how:
1. to switch themes to something more usable
2. connect to the network
3. launch Firefox.


First of all, you need some bookmarks:
FVWM Documentation
FVWM Themes Homepage


Some workarounds, since as I said, I haven't worked on "fvwm-crystal" ever.

(a) Does the shortcut Alt+F2 work? Check for example now that you have logged in in xfce (this doesn't mean it will work under fvwm but you 'll have a feeling of what to expect there ).
Press Alt+F2. It should give you a window to run a command.
If this is the case, then you can simply type
firefox
and firefox will start.

You can also open a terminal this way.
Press Alt+F2 and type
xterm

Question 1:Let me know if this workaround works!


This should resolve your problem number (3).

Are you sure you are not connected to the network? I think you are. You just didn't realize it because you couldn't launch firefox, but we can come back again to that once you launch firefox.

Regarding your first question and working with themes.
As the official fvwm themes homepage says, you should have installed the package
fvwm-themes

Now that you are under "xfce" open synaptic and search for that package. If it's not already installed, install it.
Reminder: You open synaptic, by opening a terminal and giving the command:
sudo synaptic
Of course you have to give your root password again. You know the rest by "searching" ...

Hence, once you install "fvwm-themes", you can log back in to "fvwm-crystal" (instead of "xfce") and similarly you can start the theme manager by pressing Alt+F2 and writing
fvwm-themes-start

This should be able to resolve your problem number (1).

Question 2: Can you open a terminal (console) when you are logged-in in "fvwm"?
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posted March 04, 2009 06:30 AM
Edited by dimis at 06:57, 04 Mar 2009.

Useful links

I am also placing here some links for future reference so that we don't have to search for them.


Ubuntu-Related
Ubuntu 8.10 guide
UserDocumentation
In particular this should be handy:
   SystemAdministration
Also, have a look here for some "low-end" suggestions, and you 'll realize that in essence we are improving what is suggested there:
LowEndSystemSupport



FVWM-Related
FVWM-Crystal
FVWM-Documentation
  FAQ
FVWM-Themes Homepage
FVWM Beginners Guide

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posted March 04, 2009 06:52 AM

Check this

Question 3: Did you try to right-click on the desktop of "fwvm"? What happens then?
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posted March 04, 2009 03:08 PM

Quote:
Now that you are under "xfce" open synaptic and search for that package. If it's not already installed, install it.
There is no such theme.
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posted March 04, 2009 03:17 PM

Most likely you are right. Double-check:
What is the output of the command:
aptitude search fvwm

And can you answer to the three questions that I have above as well? Thanks
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posted March 04, 2009 07:09 PM
Edited by dimis at 19:57, 04 Mar 2009.

k

k,
I installed fvwm at the machine I have in my office to test things out.
It turns out the fvwm-themes is not part of debian packages either. However, at the moment, I think you can figure out simpler solutions.

Check these images:

Step 1: Change to Nebulae
When you select this, click on the left button on the menu that appears so that changes will be in effect immediately.

Step 2: Windows-like and locate firefox

I believe this is very close enough to what you want.

I really like TopDown alot!
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posted March 04, 2009 11:03 PM

Quote:
Are you sure you are not connected to the network?
I'm sure. I launched Firefox and it doesn't go online. And I don't know how to connect - I searched the guide, but couldn't find anything.

Quote:
Can you open a terminal (console) when you are logged-in in "fvwm"?
"Fvwm-crystal" - yes. "Fvwm" - I haven't tried logging in.

Quote:
Step 2: Windows-like and locate firefox
How do I make it Windows-like?
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