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Nebdar
Nebdar


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Supreme Hero
Generation N
posted February 10, 2009 11:53 AM
Edited by Nebdar at 23:14, 01 Mar 2009.

Help for beginners

Hey i am just installing HOMM IV. It will take some time when i will download all the patches, so i want to use this time and ask anyone for some tips, tricks and hints for beginner.

Any usefull comments or strategies are welcomed

I have studied a little the infos about the game and i have some questions:

1. Is it an good strategy in begining to purchase abou 3-5 1 lvl creatures split them in 1 man armys to scout and resource collecting ?

2. The Stealth skill is useless against Ai players ?

3. Where i can find patches ? because the links where i am serching are dead ? Game Shadow helped If you have English version of the game it makes your updates a hell a lot of easier

4. What is better and Might Hero or Magic Hero ?

5. I have patched the game to v 2.2 is it good ?

6. Where i can exchange or sell surpluss resources or artifacts ? I couldn't find any marketplace...yet

7. Is there is an dialog box where you can see how many damage which creature dealt and how many in retaliation it has recived just like in H5 and H3 ?

8. Is expierience from battles is shared between two or more heroes equally or every one gains the same amount ?

9. But the artifacts i can not sell or sacrifice on some altar ?

10. Is there anything different when sieging an enenmy town ?

11. How to ressurect a fallen hero ?

12. What morale or Luck gives ?

13. What to pick as 3 lvl for haven Crusader or Monk ?

14. What are the best Hero classes from your expierience ?

15. In the begining of the game i should focus more resources into hero development and buying an army or focus on town upgrading ?

16. Is there an enormous expierience demands problem when you want to have higher lvl hero more then 25-30 lvl ?

17. What too choose Elf or White Tiger ?

18. What too choose Griffin or Unicorn ?

19. What elemental is the best ?

20. How to fight in sieges to minimalise loses?

21. How to use QuickSand spell? there is an icon with an amny spilling the sand i choose the place and the what?

22. Before playing that(Necro) campaign get the BAD's mod
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stachnie
stachnie


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posted February 10, 2009 01:47 PM

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1. Is it an good strategy in begining to purchase abou 3-5 1 lvl creatures split them in 1 man armys to scout and resource collecting ?


Yes, it is - especially if this is a fast lvl 1 creature. Imps and Sprites are good but Bandits are the best because they have basic Stealth and may grab some resources guarded by other lvl 1's.

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2. The Stealth skill is useless agsinst Ai players ?


Definitely not useless but not as useful as against a human player. If the way is not blocked, a GM Stealth hero may grab artifacts guarded by the strongest neutral stacks and get some nice XP.

I have made a few random maps (thanks to Slava Salnikov's H4Util) against 5 enemy AI's where I started with a lvl 1 Thief with an empty town without possibility to build any building and gave him a few treasure chests - just to make sure he will be able to get Advanced Stealth. The rules were that the hero could not have any army and he could not be lost. I haven't lost any of a few of such scenarios at Impossible.

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4. What is better and Might Hero or Magic Hero ?


It is better to have both (or even more heroes) in your army. A might hero may learn some magic and a magic hero should learn Combat. And remember that typically you need exactly one hero with Tactics.


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Nebdar
Nebdar


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posted February 10, 2009 07:00 PM
Edited by Nebdar at 21:32, 10 Feb 2009.

Thanks stachnie

Another questions:

6. Where i can exchange or sell surpluss resources or artifacts ? I couldn't find any marketplace...

7. Is there is an dialog box where you can see how many damage which creature dealt and how many in retaliation it has recived just like in H5 and H3 ?

8. Is expierience from battles is shared between two or more heroes equally or every one gains the same amount ?
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zamfir
zamfir


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posted February 10, 2009 10:37 PM

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6. Where i can exchange or sell surpluss resources or artifacts ? I couldn't find any marketplace...


Well, check the Adventure Menu in the Game Menu. It has a Red Flag as an icon. You can find there meny nice things, like a Marketplace or Thieves Guild.

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7. Is there is an dialog box where you can see how many damage which creature dealt and how many in retaliation it has recived just like in H5 and H3 ?


It's not a dialog box, it's a floating tip (like ones you see when collecting resources in Heroes V).

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8. Is expierience from battles is shared between two or more heroes equally or every one gains the same amount ?


I'm not sure about the exact formulae, but from my experience the total ammount of XP gained is equally divided between the heroes. For example, if your army contains two heroes and after a combat you get 1000 XP, each hero will get 500 XP.
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Nebdar
Nebdar


Promising
Supreme Hero
Generation N
posted February 10, 2009 11:01 PM
Edited by Nebdar at 09:21, 11 Feb 2009.

Thanks Zamfir

I just realized that even you can use extra fast units for scouting there is still the 8th hero limit(it is good and an bad thing)

So i can only sell exchange resources, and the price depends on the number of towns i guess, that haven't change.

9. But the artifacts i can not sell or sacrifice on some altar ?

10. Is there anything different when sieging an enenmy town ?

11. How to ressurect a fallen hero ?

12. What morale or Luck gives ?

13. What to pick as 3 lvl for haven Crusader or Monk ?
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Vlaad
Vlaad


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Legendary Hero
ghost of the past
posted February 11, 2009 12:01 AM

RTFM
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Nebdar
Nebdar


Promising
Supreme Hero
Generation N
posted February 11, 2009 12:25 AM
Edited by Nebdar at 09:22, 11 Feb 2009.

RTFM - Read the F...ing Manual (correctly)

AMQP
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stachnie
stachnie


Known Hero
posted February 11, 2009 12:41 PM
Edited by stachnie at 13:04, 11 Feb 2009.

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So i can only sell exchange resources, and the price depends on the number of towns i guess, that haven't change.


The price is independent on the number of towns. If you exchange via game menu, the ratio is always 1:3 (IIRC) and if you exchange using the Marketplace from adventure map (it must be visited by an army/hero/creature) the ratio is 1:2.

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9. But the artifacts i can not sell or sacrifice on some altar ?


In general there is no way to get rid of unwanted artifacts/items/potions but some fan made maps may have such objects.

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10. Is there anything different when sieging an enenmy town ?


It is totally different. No ballista and no shooting towers. If the town has Castle, it has three towers that may be occupied by a hero or stack of creatures. IIRC a hero/creature at a tower gains 100% to attack and defence and has no penalties when shooting so the best solution is to place good shooters there. Castle gate may be destroyed when it receives 50 damage three times (and e.g. 999999 dmg once is not enough). Units in moat do not receive extra damage but they are more vulnerable. If castle gate is not destroyed, shooters from attacking army may attack only units next to the wall and at the tower (in both cases there is 50% obstacle penalty plus usually 50% range penalty).

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11. How to ressurect a fallen hero ?
Transport him to any town or a sanctuary. If your army is defeated by enemy, he gets all potions/items/artifacts and your heroes are imprisoned in the closest enemy town - you may capture it later and free your heroes.

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12. What morale or Luck gives ?
Morale: better or worse damage and initiative. A very good thread about details of initiative.

I am not sure about Luck but I think good Luck means received damage is reduced and vice versa.

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13. What to pick as 3 lvl for haven Crusader or Monk ?


It depends on your playstyle. I usually go for Pikemen/Monks.


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xlnt
xlnt


Known Hero
posted February 11, 2009 02:00 PM

Luck is one of the most broken things in H4 (ihmo, as e HoMM3 fan boy), it reduces or multiplies damage. Get a leprechaun for max luck and see for your self.

as for monk or crusader... doesn't really matter : ) still i mostly go for monks
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Nebdar
Nebdar


Promising
Supreme Hero
Generation N
posted February 11, 2009 02:24 PM
Edited by Nebdar at 00:50, 12 Feb 2009.

Thanks again stachnie
Wielkie dzieki

So Crusader vs Monks 0 : 2
Ranged always better

IIRC could you tell me what it means

14. What are the best Hero classes from your expierience ?

15. In the begining of the game i should focus more resources into hero development and buying an army or focus on town upgrading ?

16. Is there an enormous expierience demands problem when you want to have higher lvl hero more then 25-30 lvl ?


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stachnie
stachnie


Known Hero
posted February 12, 2009 12:37 PM
Edited by stachnie at 12:45, 12 Feb 2009.

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Wielkie dzieki


Polecam sie na przyszlosc  

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So Crusader vs Monks 0 : 2
Ranged always better


Not always, e.g. a lot of people when playing Preserve go for Tigers instead of Elves and when playing Death I always go for Vampires instead of Venom Spawns. There is only one situation when ranged units are always better: if their only purpose is to defend a castle.

Monks are not very strong for lvl 3 but they are shooters so they always may do damage. Crusaders are very good melee fighters (especially against Death and town gate) but IMHO they are too slow. But if I take Monks, I usually go for Pikemen because the army should be balanced. Ballistae/Crusaders would be O.K. but Ballistae are terribly slow on the adventure map.

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IIRC could you tell me what it means


If I Remember Correctly.

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14. What are the best Hero classes from your expierience ?


Combat is a must for every hero. From the Combat-based classes IMHO the best is Fireguard (Combat, Chaos Magic). Other good combos that come into my mind are Demonologist (Death and Nature), Field Marshal (Tactics and Scouting) and Archimage (any 3 schools of magic). There are many other classes that give good bonuses but some of them require Nobility, which is a waste for a main hero.

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15. In the begining of the game i should focus more resources into hero development and buying an army or focus on town upgrading ?


I always go for an army. If you have a good army, you may capture mines, and grab resources and artifacts what allows you to fully develop your town. Of course, sometimes it is necessary to develop your town e.g. when you desperately need some higher level spells. One of the reasons that H4 AI sucks is its build priority: IIRC it often builds lvl 5 mage guild before lvl 4 dwelling.

In case of economic problems I try to build lvl 3 dwelling ASAP and buy mainly these creatures, leave weaker ones unpurchased. Higher level creatures, when properly used, tend to suffer minimal or no losses. It is especially effective when playing Death: there are only few types of creatures Vampires may be afraid of.

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16. Is there an enormous expierience demands problem when you want to have higher lvl hero more then 25-30 lvl ?


No. IIRC after some level the amount of required experience is always 20% higher than for the previous level. Maximum possible level is about 75 or so.


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Nebdar
Nebdar


Promising
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Generation N
posted February 12, 2009 08:50 PM
Edited by Nebdar at 20:51, 12 Feb 2009.

Thanks And here goes more

I started today to play Nature first campaign scenario "The Lovers" and i must say it is hard play maybe because but i forgot that it is only search and rescue and not conquer all.

All Sieges are an true bloodbaths for me, when my enemy has 60-80 ranged units. The lack of grid on the battlefield and a hell too much of an obstacles makes fighting with minimal loses an art or something nearly impossible.

17. What too choose Elf or White Tiger ?

18. What too choose Griffin or Unicorn ?

19. What elemental is the best ?

20. How to fight in sieges to minimalise loses?
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Warmonger
Warmonger


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Legendary Hero
fallen artist
posted February 12, 2009 09:08 PM
Edited by Warmonger at 21:11, 12 Feb 2009.

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17. What too choose Elf or White Tiger ?

18. What too choose Griffin or Unicorn ?

You can't choose one and the other too

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19. What elemental is the best ?

Apart from Captain Planet? Water one does the trick for me.

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20. How to fight in sieges to minimalise loses?

Teleport 50 Mega Dragons with Vampirism between enemy towers, success guaranted. I tested it

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   16. Is there an enormous expierience demands problem when you want to have higher lvl hero more then 25-30 lvl ?


No, H5 sucks.

However, to reach maximum level 70 you will need to download one of the powergamiish map like Chronic Peripeteia. 2 billions of experience don't come from fights.

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stachnie
stachnie


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posted February 13, 2009 01:06 PM
Edited by stachnie at 13:14, 13 Feb 2009.

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All Sieges are an true bloodbaths for me, when my enemy has 60-80 ranged units.


Most schools of magic have spells to at least temporarily disable enemy shooters.

Life: Song of Peace, lvl 2 (a living unit cannot attack for one turn).
Nature: Wasp Swarm, lvl 2 (a living unit loses its turn).
Chaos: Confusion, lvl 2 (like Wasp Swarm), Cloud of Confusion, lvl 4 (like Confusion but area effect).
Order: Forgetfulness, lvl 3 (shooters forget how to shoot).

There is also appriopriate Death (?) spell, Terror (a living unit cannot act and IIRC counterattack for 2 turns). Unfortunately, it is available only to creatures: Nightmares and Death Knights.

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The lack of grid on the battlefield and a hell


There may be a kind of grid - perhaps you need to check graphic options.

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too much of an obstacles makes fighting with minimal loses an art or something nearly impossible.


Or vice versa - they may block the path for big, slow creatures like Hydras.

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17. What too choose Elf or White Tiger ?


I usually prefer Elves but Tigers are also very good.

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18. What too choose Griffin or Unicorn ?


Griffins are more universal (and especially with Snake Strike on them they may be a pain for enemy) but their dwelling requires a lot of Wood. If I may afford it, I would go for them.

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19. What elemental is the best ?


Water ones - definitely. There are some other creatures from the Creature Portal worth to consider: Waspsworts (sp.?) - excellent for castle defence - and Mantises.

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20. How to fight in sieges to minimalise loses?


Try to disable shooters. Unless you cast Precision (Order, lvl 1) or have lots of shooters that may shoot beyond obstacles (like Ballistae or lvl 4 Catapults), avoid ranged attacks against shooters on towers (magic would be the best). Destroy castle gate ASAP and steamroll inside.

If you have a big advantage over the garrison, you may take a castle without any losses. If your stacks of shooters/casters are very strong, enemy units tend to run away from the towers. Typical strategies:

Life: attack with one-two stacks and resurrection from Angels/Divine intervention at the end.

Nature: summon a lot of creatures and attack with summons.

Chaos: use destruction spells as much as possible.

Death: attack with Vampires and go after non-living creatures first.

Order: Create Illusion on the best creature at the battlefield (may be an enemy one) and attack with these illusions. May be useless against Order or Death casters (one Dispel/Cancellation and the illusions are gone). Or: teleport you strongest stack (Titans would be perfect) to a tower to get the advantage.

The ultimate siege combo would be to teleport Hydras into the Castle and cast Cat Reflexes and Vampiric Touch on them (and if you add Bless...). It would be very difficult to obtain (requires high level spells from three different schools) - I managed to do it only once.


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stachnie
stachnie


Known Hero
posted February 13, 2009 01:18 PM

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Teleport 50 Mega Dragons with Vampirism between enemy towers, success guaranted. I tested it


Hydras are better. Maybe they are weaker but they have no retaliation and they attack all adjacent enemies


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Lexxan
Lexxan


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
posted February 13, 2009 01:35 PM

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1. Is it an good strategy in begining to purchase abou 3-5 1 lvl creatures split them in 1 man armys to scout and resource collecting ?
Definately. Best units for this are Bandits.

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2. The Stealth skill is useless against Ai players ?

No Idea. I generally take Sorcerers with Chaos.

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4. What is better and Might Hero or Magic Hero ?

Overall, Magic imo.

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7. Is there is an dialog box where you can see how many damage which creature dealt and how many in retaliation it has recived just like in H5 and H3 ?
No. It's displayed next to the Unit instead (Broken Heart = Lost health, Skull = Lost Creatures)

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. Is expierience from battles is shared between two or more heroes equally or every one gains the same amount ?
Shared, and both Heroes gain the same amount of Exp.

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10. Is there anything different when sieging an enenmy town ?

No Arrow-shooting turrets (they are manned by your own tropps instead), and you can attack enemies through Walls in melee. No War machines, like Catapults.
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11. How to ressurect a fallen hero ?

Bring his/her body to any town

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12. What morale or Luck gives ?

Morale allowes you to act sooner and Luck reduces the Damage you suffer from Physical attacks

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13. What to pick as 3 lvl for haven Crusader or Monk ?

both are evenly matched. I prefer Shooters to Melee Fighter though, so I prefer  Monks Myself - But it doesn't really make much difference. (Crusaders + Regeneration and Prayer is cheese tho)

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17. What too choose Elf or White Tiger ?

Generally, I concider the Elves to be better than Tigers, but sometimes you simply cannot afford the Wood.

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18. What too choose Griffin or Unicorn ?

Griffins, though I usually take Unicorns (I'm known to be a Unicorn Abuser )

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19. What elemental is the best ?

Water. Easily.

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20. How to fight in sieges to minimalise loses?

Life Magic comes to Mind: Mirth, Prayer, Regeneration, Ressurrection, Guardian Angel, or even Sanctuary.
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BrennusWhiskey
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Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
The quickest H4 player
posted February 13, 2009 03:06 PM
Edited by BrennusWhiskey at 11:15, 14 Feb 2009.

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2. The Stealth skill is useless against Ai players ?

No Idea. I generally take Sorcerers with Chaos.

Thief with paithfinding is very useful .


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13. What to pick as 3 lvl for haven Crusader or Monk ?

both are evenly matched. I prefer Shooters to Melee Fighter though, so I prefer  Monks Myself - But it doesn't really make much difference. (Crusaders + Regeneration and Prayer is cheese tho)

Crusaders - strong like a tanks.


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19. What elemental is the best ?

Water. Easily.

Waters are too slow. Personally I ever took mantis.


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20. How to fight in sieges to minimalise loses?

Life Magic comes to Mind: Mirth, Prayer, Regeneration, Ressurrection, Guardian Angel, or even Sanctuary.


Catch your oponent out of castle

All notes above are related to online game. Singleplayer is borring

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Lexxan
Lexxan


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Unimpressed by your logic
posted February 14, 2009 02:18 PM


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2. The Stealth skill is useless against Ai players ?



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All notes above are related to online game. Singleplayer is borring

Erm, good he asked about the AI then

Oh, and one more comment:
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19. What elemental is the best ?

Water. Easily.

Waters are too slow. Personally I ever took mantis.

Elemental. Mantises aren't Elementals. Waters are, imo, better that Earths, Fires or Airs. Either way, The Mantis is de facto the best Creature through the Creature Portal (but I don't think that was the Question)

Though you probably are better at this than I am



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zamfir
zamfir


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Supreme Hero
posted February 14, 2009 02:46 PM

This thread has an uneasy OSM feeling.
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BrennusWhiskey
BrennusWhiskey


Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
The quickest H4 player
posted February 14, 2009 07:19 PM
Edited by BrennusWhiskey at 19:24, 14 Feb 2009.

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Erm, good he asked about the AI then

Yes you are right but Iam still repeating: playing against AI is like beating child - too easy

Oh, and one more comment:
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19. What elemental is the best ?

Water. Easily.

Waters are too slow. Personally I ever took mantis.

Elemental. Mantises aren't Elementals. Waters are, imo, better that Earths, Fires or Airs. Either way, The Mantis is de facto the best Creature through the Creature Portal (but I don't think that was the Question)

Though you probably are better at this than I am

I am sure of that  (about 200 online games)
Generally all elementals are too weak to use it. Maybe "air" when you have GM summoning, they are pretty fast.




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