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Thread: Help for beginners [ This thread is 3 pages long: 1 (2) 3 ]
Nebdar
Nebdar


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Generation N
posted February 14, 2009 02:16 PM

yes Zamfir the quote abuse
Thanks Lexxan & BrennusWhiskey
Ponowne ukłony za pomoc stachnie

But i am an beginner and i started to play the first scenario of nature campaign "The lovers" the most propositions and solutions you have gave to me i can't use them because in this scenarios those buliding can't be built The max Tier 3 creature and Level 2 spells

@BrennusWhiskey if you say that is simple playing against AI maybe you could help me with this scenario/map "The Lovers" to conquer all even when it is not needed
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BrennusWhiskey
BrennusWhiskey


Known Hero
The quickest H4 player
posted February 14, 2009 02:53 PM

Use a simple "save and load" when u lost a battle
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Nebdar
Nebdar


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Generation N
posted February 14, 2009 06:56 PM
Edited by Nebdar at 18:57, 14 Feb 2009.

Nah it doesn't work that way. The castles and sieges are killing me
I am probably have to wait to gather bigger army and in that time take all the enemy mines and other buildings. Maybe i will summon a decent numebr of water elementals(they are great with that lighting spell) by this time and use other towns armies to weaken the defenders
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stachnie
stachnie


Adventuring Hero
posted February 16, 2009 01:59 AM

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Maybe i will summon a decent numebr of water elementals(they are great with that lighting spell)


Actually this is Ice Bolt.


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Nebdar
Nebdar


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Generation N
posted February 16, 2009 02:42 AM

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Actually this is Ice Bolt.


It's picture looked more like lightning too me but i can be wrong no matter the name the only thing it maters that i deals nice damage

The patience strategy worked out, the first two towns where packed with max creatures and the other two far ahead where easy pickings

I managed to caught one hero out of castle and destroy him on open field, and the last Town standing had no chance...

Thanks all for help.

The next scenario begins ..........
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csarmi
csarmi


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posted February 18, 2009 08:55 AM
Edited by csarmi at 10:23, 18 Feb 2009.

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1. Is it an good strategy in begining to purchase abou 3-5 1 lvl creatures split them in 1 man armys to scout and resource collecting?

It's essential, actually. In h4, you use creatures to pick up stuff and carry heroes (dead ore alive). You use unimportant heroes to flag things (usually all your heroes matter, however).
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2. The Stealth skill is useless against Ai players?

I am not sure. It's not necessary, however. AI is nonexistant and in campaigns you can always kill that stack instead. Get GM pathfinding, however, that IS essential.
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4. What is better and Might Hero or Magic Hero?

The game is called heroes of might and magic.
In other words:
a)both types are essential
b)use several heroes in your army

Must-haves
Tactician: get GM offense, then some combat, then some magic (dispel and such)
Pathfinder: get GM pathfinding, then some combat, then some magic (dispel and such)
Magic hero: get GM magic, then some combat, then maybe some other school (dispel, cancel)

Can be useful
Combat hero: GM melee (or archery: less godly vs neutrals, sometimes better vs human), then some magic skill, either support/cancel spells or some expert/master magic  if possible
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5. I have patched the game to v 2.2 is it good?
Dunno., I dont have it here. Get both expansions, AND install equilibris.
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7. Is there is an dialog box where you can see how many damage which creature dealt and how many in retaliation it has recived just like in H5 and H3?

As far as I can recall, there isn't. Yes, very stupid
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8. Is expierience from battles is shared between two or more heroes equally or every one gains the same amount?

Shared, based on level. Try to keep your heroes at the same level + (except for some campaigns) the more heroes, the better. 5 level 12 heroes are much more powerful than 1 level 20.
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11. How to ressurect a fallen hero ?

Any town, sanctuary. The tombstone can be carried by anything. Yes, creatures too. Yes, you can chain it back to town with well-placed creatures (always have 1 or 2 in any structure like mines for this reason and more(!)), revive and still move it.
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12. What morale or Luck gives?

Each point gives you 10% chance to get good morale/luck (or bad, if it's negative). It goes up till 100% chance (+10).

Good luck multiplies damage taken by 2/3.
Bad luck multiplies damage taken by 3/2.
Good morale makes you act in the 'good morale phase' meaning you act first and can outwait your opponent with normal morale regardless of initiative (may act last) + multiplies your damage by 5/4.
Bad morale makes you act in the 'bad morale phase', meaning you act last and can be outwaited by your opponent with normal morale regardless of initiative + multiplies your damage by 4/5.

Please note that there are spells that set your morale/luck to +10 or decrease your moral/luck by -10.

Also note, that mixing troops of opposing alignments (heroes have alignment, yes) gives you a -5 penalty. Mixiing with a barbarian is -2, mixing with a friendly one gives -1.

What it means is that if you play nature, for example, you can use either nature+chaos based heroes+creatures OR nature+life based heroes+creatures.
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13. What to pick as 3 lvl for haven Crusader or Monk ?

You often dont use either in an endfight. If you do, crusaders offer double strike (kill opponent hero, revive with immo potion, kill again) while monk offers great ranged damage esp if you have precision and/or artifact for it (you are very likely to do). You dont carry them with you unless maybe in equi mod because they slow you down, however.
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14. What are the best Hero classes from your expierience?

See (4) as well. Pathfinder, tactician, combat hero. Magic hero (lvl5 caster). Special types: demonologist is deadly if you have enough xp for it, crusader is often worth it because of the set +10 morale (very useful!!).
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15. In the begining of the game i should focus more resources into hero development and buying an army or focus on town upgrading?

Look at it like this: Level 1 and 2 creatures are fodders, you're not going to need them in the endfights, so you can afford to lose them. Use them well for creeping, however.

Level 3's/Level 4's you'll need as many for the endfights as possible. Once you get your nice troop, you usually creep with 3-5 heroes and say angels only. Money buildings are COMPLETELY worthless (a little better in equi, but still rarely useful)
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16. Is there an enormous expierience demands problem when you want to have higher lvl hero more then 25-30 lvl?

You don't want to. A level 20-25 hero is enough for everything you'd ever need: GM magic (one school, several schools are a waste because each time you'l only cast from one school: get an OTHER hero with that school then instead), high enough combat and magic resistance and even some extra support spells.
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17. What too choose Elf or White Tiger?

Whichever is easier/cheaper to build for you. They're irrelevant.
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18. What too choose Griffin or Unicorn?

Whichever is easier/cheaper to build for you. They're irrelevant.
Well, rarely(!) you'll use them in endfight, in that case griffin is considered to be more powerful in vanilla, but the requirement for it is ridiculous. In equi, requirements are okay for both, it's personal taste. JUst make sure you understand that they WONT be a high factor (or ANY factor most of the time) in the end.
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19. What elemental is the best?

Water: casts quicksand, fatigue and high damage spell. But if you mean the portal of summoning, ALWAYS get mantis (the most powerful level4 creature in the game)
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20. How to fight in sieges to minimalise loses?

Siege fights don't happen. If they do, it's vs the AI and it doesnt matter what you do. Hop on a tower as soon as possible.

Extra tips

1) Instantly delete ALL maps that came with the game. They are completely useless, imbalanced, stupid, etc. Don't even try to play them.
2) Never play single player games vs the AI. Never. Don't even think about it.
3) If you wanna have fun with singleplayer, get fanmade maps (look them up in the round table for example), there are lots of very good ones in every style (rpg, puzzle, fight challenges, etc).
4) If you wanna have fun with multiplayer, I recommend the same. Visit ToH as well, play vs some nice opponents. Save every turn and after the game ask for password by opponent if he beat you and analyze his moves.
5) The original campaigns are quite good. But don't forget 2)-

The nature campaign:

Archer + gm melee + combat + potions = unbeatable army
Druid + gm nature + good spell usage = unbeatable army

Key spells

quicksand, wasp swarm, summon water, summon leprechaun, fatigue/slow (water elemental!), summon lvl4, dragon strength + the obvious life spells to save you

Creatures

Mantises, either level4 nature, angels, nuff said :-)
Sprites are deadly for quicksand + hit and run
Wolves do tons of damage (clever usage of retaltaking + hithithit)
Elves and tigers are both very good.

Tips for creeping

Low level:

druid (only nature), archer (only combat, use as tank), sprites, wolves, some lvl2 stack for damage

Just a lvl5 archer is GM combat (can take a tremendous amount of damage), lvl5 druid is expert nature (summon water!).

summon waters

they cast:

quicksand (melee creatures wont ever pass)
fatigue (half init/speed)
ice bolt (high damage)

especially useful with flares

summon leprechaun: a fodder + casts luck
summon satyr: a fodder (high damage actually) + casts mirth (acting first/last in every round is very powerful!)

Take hits with archer if needed, or fodders. Kill enemy with sprites+wolves damage. Versus shooterss block LoS properly. If you face casters, put single unit fodders in front, they wont cast on them (consider it a waste) so they are not going to use magic.

Later:

mantis, phoenix, archer, druid, pathfinder, priest, tactician

priest heals you
mantis makes sure incoming enemy is caught (good tank)
archer tanks too
phoenix does damage plus you summon up or cast more
other heroes cast swarm, slow down and all those things

More tips:

1) When you level up a hero, keep him in his starting class as long as possible! Don't take 4th skills either.

I wrote this in bold because it is probably the single most important thing in the game. Have a role for a hero, and until he is maxed out in that role, focus on it entirely.

For instance, if you start with a priest, and you want to turn it into a GM life caster, don't pick any (yes not even combat!) skills until he gets there. Healing, spirituality, altars, libraries only. Don't worry about him dying: if you handle the fights alright, he won't. Same goes for any GM caster. Getting your summon water spell one level earlier can mean the world for you... or dragon strength, divine intervention, mass fervor for that matter. If you start with a tactician, teach only tactic skills until he's experienced enough. If you start with a thief, teach pathfinding only.

This is because as soon as a hero has skills from several trees, things get messy. You'll be in danger of having to choose between useless skills on levelup. If your hero has 2+ points in at least 2 trees, you get an advanced class and your guy will get skills offered of both types which can mess you up even more.

If you have to build a cross-type hero (for example you need to build a pathfinder from an archer, because you can't choose chaos-based hero - either impossible, or would give a high morale penalty), you need at least two points from somewhere before you get the preferred skill offered. If this is unclear, here's an example:

An archer will only get combat skills offered by default, and sometimes it will get other types offered, but less often. To make him a pathfinder, you need to teach him 2 points from the scouting tree (for example beastmaster's hut + altar) and then keep picking pathfinding (scouting, if unavailable).

A druid will only get nature skills offered by default. He's also sure to be offered combat skill every several levels, and sometimes he'll be offered other skills (with some probabilities). To turn him to a demonologist, you need to teach him two death skills and then you're ready to go.

2) Try to use fast creatures only and always have a pathfinder in your army. Your hero has the movement points of the fastest creature in the group, so for example your wolves will slow you down. You can remove them from your group however and only join them for the fights you will use them in.

For nature, I recommend this thread too:

http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=3974

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Nebdar
Nebdar


Promising
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Generation N
posted February 18, 2009 05:56 PM
Edited by Nebdar at 16:44, 19 Feb 2009.

Thanks csarmi very much

That was very interesting read and useful tips and help.

21. How to use QuickSand spell? there is an icon with and I am spilling the sand i choose the place and then what?
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csarmi
csarmi


Supreme Hero
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posted February 19, 2009 06:58 AM

Just keep trying. Turn grid on, that makes it easier. Well you need to click, then keep it moving (flowing) and in the end you're finished. Never really got it down to an exact science, however. You'll get the hang of it fast, I believe.
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Nebdar
Nebdar


Promising
Supreme Hero
Generation N
posted February 19, 2009 04:47 PM
Edited by Nebdar at 17:14, 01 Mar 2009.

maybe there can not be any holes it must be compactly placed.

Ok it works.... you just have to spill all and thats it.

Ok any help on early begining with NecroInernopolis Campaign

22. Before playing that(Necro) campaign get the BAD's mod

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stachnie
stachnie


Adventuring Hero
posted March 05, 2009 08:35 AM

I had played H4 campaigns a few years ago so I don't remember them well but the beginning of the Necro campaign was one one of the most difficult. Some general tips when playing Necro in SP (without Equilibris):

- if possible, get Vampires ASAP and do not buy any other creatures; they tend to win most of the battles without any losses (except the battles against other undead, mechanical or elemental units - for such fights take some cannon fodder like skellies or Imps)

- try to reach GM Necromancy ASAP; without any libraries, altars etc. usually it is possible at level 10 (requires Expert Death)

- the next goal is to get Master Death and hope for Vampiric Touch (excellent spell to cast on Bone Dragons), Mass Sorrow is also good; GM Death spells are not so great.

If I remember correctly, on Map 1 there is a Vampire dwelling underground; try to capture it ASAP. Some other tips may be found at Celestial Havens.

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Nebdar
Nebdar


Promising
Supreme Hero
Generation N
posted March 05, 2009 12:26 PM
Edited by Nebdar at 17:11, 21 Mar 2009.

Thanks stachnie

I discovered that vampire mansion after i have taken an town....
It seems that almost all campaigns start to be very hard and further quest are a bitt easier just because you have an expierienced character.

http://www.celestialheavens.com/search2.php?map_name=poker&author_name=&size=&nr_players=&playing_type=&version=&sort_by=map_name&order=asc&multiplayer=&month=&year=&minimaps=on&results1=20&page=1&action=search&submit=Search

http://www.celestialheavens.com/search2.php?map_name=poker&author_name=&size=&nr_players=&playing_type=&version=&sort_by=map_name&order=asc&multiplayer=&month=&year=&minimaps=on&results1=20&page=1&action=search&submit=Search
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Qu0x
Qu0x

Tavern Dweller
posted March 31, 2009 12:46 AM

Ok so I am new to this and having some difficulty.  I have d/l HOMM4 w/ WOW & GS and installed the game + expansions.  The game worked fine until i tried to play a map I created.  The game tells me bad map file and refuses to play.  I removed all the random major artifact generators off and replaced the horned and elf kings bow but still nothing.  I assume I have the US version as the language is 409 and the properties tell me its version 3.0.0.2.  I have tried running all the patch updates but none work as all say "Old file not found. However a  file of the same name was found. No update done as file contents do not match."  This error occurs at different stages depending on which patch I attempt.  In some instances in reference to heroes4.exe and other cases for campaign editor.exe.  I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling and still nothing.  My version is cracked i believe. can anyone send the original heroes4.exe and campaign editor.exe or help me play my map some other way?  There has to be a way around it please help.
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carcity
carcity


Supreme Hero
Blind Sage
posted April 09, 2009 08:56 AM
Edited by Carcity at 08:56, 09 Apr 2009.

Hi I thougth this was the place to post this question.

Is there any place on the internet where you can download the full Heroes 4 with everything and expansions LEGALLY??
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Evasion
Evasion


Famous Hero
Groovy!
posted April 09, 2009 09:10 AM
Edited by Evasion at 09:10, 09 Apr 2009.

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Hi I thougth this was the place to post this question.

Is there any place on the internet where you can download the full Heroes 4 with everything and expansions LEGALLY??


Downloading games on internet is illegal. So no, there is no way.
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carcity
carcity


Supreme Hero
Blind Sage
posted April 09, 2009 10:30 AM
Edited by Carcity at 17:18, 10 Apr 2009.

but there are websites where you send money via creditcard or phone to download something LEGALLY!

EDIT: Nevermind, we went to a shop tday and bought a new CD and the new one works perfectly I'm so happy!
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Nebdar
Nebdar


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Generation N
posted April 10, 2009 05:36 PM

Welcome Carcity to H4 Community
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Evasion
Evasion


Famous Hero
Groovy!
posted April 11, 2009 11:22 AM

Hey guys, h4 bluescreens on vista. What should I do?
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carcity
carcity


Supreme Hero
Blind Sage
posted April 18, 2009 04:32 AM

I need some more help from  a pro, How do I play online? I tried yesterday with Zamfir but it didn't work. not even when we used Hamachi. anyone know what to do?
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The quickest H4 player
posted April 19, 2009 05:51 AM

Download equilibris (both must have the same version), connect with hamachi. Good luck.

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carcity
carcity


Supreme Hero
Blind Sage
posted April 19, 2009 06:11 AM

can you post a link to equilibris?
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