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Thread: Dual vs Quad
Nikita
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posted March 15, 2009 12:41 AM

Poll Question:
Dual vs Quad

If anyone has one of the following or knows some good information pls post it here.What im looking for is Dual(Duo) vs Quad for gaming,and not as "the best" dual vs "the best" quad,but comparison as for the same price.

I heard that Core 2 Duo with 3.0 Ghz,6mb and 1333 FSB would be better then Quad about 2.4,6mb and 1333 FSB.And that makes sense.But also newer games benefit from more cores.

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TheDeath
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posted March 15, 2009 01:15 AM

Depends on the game.
Since I don't play much games I would choose a quad. Games waste too much CPU power these days (yes: waste), so I'm not really into them anyway.

No idea about you. If you ask me, 4 cores on a good application that fully utilizes them makes it twice as fast as dual core, but heats up although it's more efficient (efficiency = ratio between energy and performance, not just performance).

Also Intel Quads are more efficient, overall, than Duos -- thermal power is less than that doubled on a Duo, so it's better overall. That is, if you put 2 Duos side by side and used them together against a Quad (all else being the same), they would waste more energy for the same performance.

Also try to choose something with 45nm process. Unless you are on a low budget, they are much more efficient and heat up less. This means no AMD as they haven't got from the 65nm barrier yet.
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posted March 15, 2009 01:47 AM
Edited by del_diablo at 01:49, 15 Mar 2009.

Games are usually doing ridiculessly poorly useage of multiple cores, unless the language it was written it had buildt in support.
I would go with dual instead of quad, the price along with the fact that the optimization is really bad when you get more cores.
If you can get a cheap quad core with about the same specz as the dual i would likely go for it(like 2,6ghz quad, compared to a 2,7ghz dual).

I also agree with thedeath on the 45nm.
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posted March 15, 2009 01:55 AM

Dual Core should be pretty good for most games these days. The graphics is what you really need to concetrate on.
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posted March 15, 2009 01:56 AM
Edited by TheDeath at 01:57, 15 Mar 2009.

If you want it to last in time though (I mean without having to upgrade it anytime soon), get a Quad. Or get a laptop, they have decent Dual-cores
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posted March 15, 2009 02:46 AM

Most games don't even utilize multiple cores so even a dual core is not used to its full capacity.
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Nikita
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posted March 15, 2009 02:46 AM

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Or get a laptop, they have decent Dual-cores

Never again am i buying a laptop.2nd Acer laptop that has troubles with video card and overhating.
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If you can get a cheap quad core with about the same specz as the dual i would likely go for it(like 2,6ghz quad, compared to a 2,7ghz dual).


Yes but that Quad would be about $250-300,while that Duo will be about $150 And as i heard and someone mentioned most games will only use 2 cores(older games ofcrourse)

I was looking for PC no higher then $1500 all.So i found one at Alienware.Basic overview:
CPU:E8400 3.0GHz,6mb cache,1333 FSB
Power supply:750W
Video Card: GeForce 9800 GT 512,DD3
RAMDR2 4GB(2x2gb),800mhz
Motherboard:Alienware nForce 750i Sli
OS:Vista Home premium 64bit
HD:500 gb SATA
drive:20x dual layer
monitor:none(assume that bought for 150)
others:1 year service,recovery DVD,3rd mark 06

All of that would cost me $1600(with taxes and $100 shipping)
So i wanted to check the real prices on parts so i went to TigerDirect(matter of fact better then newegg as for me).I have found all the same parts and the price with taxes and $100 shipping(assumed) is $1200.
so $1600 vs $1200,the only differense is that i(the noob) have to put all the parts together and worst of all mess with Vista set up and BIOS.(not that i can't,but i just afraid of screwing up everything during OS installation.
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posted March 15, 2009 02:48 AM

If you are able to find a pc that has those kinda specs but has XP then go for it. I see a lot of them on Ebay.
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Nikita
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posted March 15, 2009 02:52 AM
Edited by Nikita at 02:54, 15 Mar 2009.

well i have XP,but i want Vista since its more secure,look great, and newer games benefit from it.
Does anyone know any other good site to buy parts or configured pcs?
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posted March 15, 2009 02:54 AM

Looks great but at a cost of resources? No thanks. I just hope Windows 7 is a big improvement over Vista.
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posted March 15, 2009 02:57 AM
Edited by Nikita at 03:00, 15 Mar 2009.

it will eat about 1 gb RAM,but you can find 2gb for about $20.I can't imagine price of Windows 7 .if Vista Ultimate is like $250,tahts like buying a new pc

And i have heard that SLI video cards aren't giving back the money you have put into it-that its better to buy 1 card for those money.

And will full tower be better for cooling the parts then mid tower or it doesnt matter?
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posted March 15, 2009 03:01 AM
Edited by TheDeath at 03:02, 15 Mar 2009.

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I was looking for PC no higher then $1500 all.So i found one at Alienware.Basic overview:
CPU:E8400 3.0GHz,6mb cache,1333 FSB
Power supply:750W
Video Card: GeForce 9800 GT 512,DD3
RAMDR2 4GB(2x2gb),800mhz
Motherboard:Alienware nForce 750i Sli
OS:Vista Home premium 64bit
HD:500 gb SATA
drive:20x dual layer
monitor:none(assume that bought for 150)
others:1 year service,recovery DVD,3rd mark 06
750W lol, what are you going to do, run a server or multiple hard drives or multiple video cards or whatever?
Besides, look for the power output efficiency, should be ABOVE 80%. Below that it's a low-grade power supply that wastes your energy and delivers a lot less than it is advertised (subtract the inefficiency). This happens because of AC/DC conversion. Even 300W "real" is enough.  (that is, after inefficiency subtraction) for a typical gaming computer.

Too powerful for "older" games
Vista suxxor

I can't believe your config costs 1600$ or 1200$, how high are the prices there? My config which I'm eagerly awaiting for the prices to drop, has the Q9550 quad in there (300$), ECC RAM (still 4GB @ 800 Mhz though), and probably more expensive stuff except the video card (I will choose one with passive cooling anyway) and it doesn't even reach 1000$


Also for the Hard drive, what's the RPM? The buffer? Those things are important for performance and longevity (a bigger buffer avoids so much HD activity and makes it last longer).
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posted March 15, 2009 03:04 AM

Note that in most cases they lie about the power (unless it's a Tower). So those 750W are actually a lot less.
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posted March 15, 2009 03:05 AM
Edited by TheDeath at 03:07, 15 Mar 2009.

Like I said you have to subtract the deficiency. They don't "lie", they just give the full power without the inefficiency of the conversion, which is NEVER 100% (85% are considered professional...)

It should give you the specs for the efficiency if it's a reputable site.

This "deficiency" is worse than having less power. Let's say there's an efficiency of 50%. This means the output power is half of the one advertised, while wasting full power/energy (under full load of course). That's why "green" supplies have high efficiencies (you know, waste less energy as in "environmental" protection )
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Nikita
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posted March 15, 2009 03:37 AM

Yes,i guess i should bring my power supply down to about 500,maybe i thought i would get some upgrades.But i guess 500 is even good enough for 9800GT SLI.
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can't believe your config costs 1600$ or 1200$, how high are the prices there? My config which I'm eagerly awaiting for the prices to drop, has the Q9550 quad in there (300$), ECC RAM (still 4GB @ 800 Mhz though), and probably more expensive stuff except the video card (I will choose one with passive cooling anyway) and it doesn't even reach 1000$

umm,mine is 1200-100(shipping)-100(tax)=1000 same as yours .And plus im that is a whole pc,except for mouse and keybord
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Also for the Hard drive, what's the RPM? The buffer? Those things are important for performance and longevity (a bigger buffer avoids so much HD activity and makes it last longer).

thats why i said basic overview why write tons of pages.And i dont really care to wait a second for my HD to load somthing.
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posted March 15, 2009 11:13 AM

Quote:
CPU:E8400 3.0GHz,6mb cache,1333 FSB
Power supply:750W
Video Card: GeForce 9800 GT 512,DD3
RAMDR2 4GB(2x2gb),800mhz
Motherboard:Alienware nForce 750i Sli
OS:Vista Home premium 64bit
HD:500 gb SATA
drive:20x dual layer
monitor:none(assume that bought for 150)
others:1 year service,recovery DVD,3rd mark 06


I got no comment on the supply. However if you buy a proper suppply or already got a good supply i guess you won't have to change next time or you can use one you already got.
You could go for a better grapic card like Radeon HD 4600 or 4800.
If you go for a 64-bit OS get somewhere like 8+ GB with ram instead, so you atleast properly use the fact 64-bit supports more. 32-bit OS with extended capabilities also support more than 4 gig of ram.
I would also reccomend a different OS, but as your likely an avid gamer i think its not the best advice.
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Asheera
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posted March 15, 2009 03:32 PM

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Yes,i guess i should bring my power supply down to about 500,maybe i thought i would get some upgrades.But i guess 500 is even good enough for 9800GT SLI.
Yes, it should handle it. Unless you plan to use a lot of hard disks, or two video cards, 500 is enough.

btw, having two video cards through SLI or Crossfire isn't that great, speed boost will be about 15-20%, and it will use a lot of power. It's better to buy a newer and better video card which not only will give better performance, but also be a lot cheaper than those two.

But of course from what I see you're buying an awesome video card that can run most today's games at full settings.
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Nikita
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posted March 15, 2009 07:19 PM

Thx for replies.
Arethis prices real?thats image i got when i 1st saw those 4 computers.But then i read some replies about them and it seems that customer support sucks.
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