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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: Love and hate of creatures (tested)
Thread: Love and hate of creatures (tested)
SAG
SAG


Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted March 19, 2009 03:39 PM
Edited by SAG at 11:15, 22 Mar 2009.

Love and hate of creatures (tested)

Now I play Conflux more often and I noticed few important undocumented features.
I decided to post results of several tests here:

Magic Elementals do half damage to Black Dragons and Magic Elementals

Psychic Elementals do half damage to all undead including Mummies, all golems including Gold, Diamond Golems, Gigant, Titan, Black Dragons, all Elementals.

Earth Elementals and Magma Elementals do normal damage to Magic and Psychic Elementals.

Elementals do +100% damage to elementals of opposite school (Water vs Fire, Air vs Earth), in any upgraded/non-upgraded combination

Arch Devils hate Arch Angels and vice versa, do +50% damage, in any upgraded/non-upgraded combination.
Efreet Sultans hate Master Genies and vice versa, do +50% damage, in any upgraded/non-upgraded combination.

Titans hate Black Dragons and vice versa in SOD version.
Gigants do not hate Red dragons and vice versa in SOD version.

Titans do not hate Black Dragons and vice versa in TE version!

Damage in hint is shown total, together with bonus or penalty

Orb of Vulnerability, Medal of Courage and Anti-magic spell doesn't influence for love and hate

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Shares
Shares


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posted March 19, 2009 03:42 PM
Edited by Shares at 15:47, 19 Mar 2009.

Hate also gives a moral penalty, right? If you have Efreets and Genies they both get -1 morale.

EDIT: Tested, and I was wrong. Sorry every one.

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liophy
liophy


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Bulgarian
posted March 19, 2009 05:46 PM

Good work SAG, since i didnt play a lot Conflux aslwell, i didnt know the facts about Magic elementals

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Vlaad
Vlaad


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posted March 19, 2009 06:14 PM
Edited by Vlaad at 18:18, 19 Mar 2009.

Good work, although some of it was posted in the Not in the Manual thread.
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SAG
SAG


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posted March 19, 2009 07:41 PM

addition: Psychic Elementals do half damage to all undead including Mummies, Iron and Stone Golems

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Bluelantern
Bluelantern

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posted March 19, 2009 11:01 PM

Sorry if this a bit off topic, but why does Titans and Black dragons hate each other?
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bloucester
bloucester


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MSN can go to hell
posted March 20, 2009 10:05 AM

SAG, ARE YOU COMPLETELY SURE TITANS AND BLACK DRAGONS DO NOT HATE EACH OTHER??? THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS! I THOUGHT IT WAS ONE OF THE MOST CERTAIN THINGS IN THE WORLD (LIKE THE SKY BEING BLUE).

AND THERE WAS THE CHEASE BLACKIES DO 50% MORE DAMAGE TO GIANTS, GIANTS DON'T DO 50% MORE DAMAGE TO BLACKIES?

ANGELITO, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

I'M OFF TO THE TESTING GROUNDS

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bloucester
bloucester


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MSN can go to hell
posted March 20, 2009 10:25 AM
Edited by bloucester at 10:41, 20 Mar 2009.

SAG, you are wrong. at least when we are talking about the real Heroes 3 - Complete. A black dragon with 25/25 attacks an ancient behemoth with 19/24 - the damage is 42-52.
Now a black dragon with 25/25 attacks a titan with 24/24 (SAME DEFENSE)- the damage is 62-77 (+50%)

NOW I'VE CHECKED THIS ON TE. TITANS AND BLACKIES DO NOT HATE EACH OTHER HERE. THIS IS A MAJOR BUG, SINCE THE OTHER PAIRS STILL HATE EACH OTHER - ANGELS/DEVILS AND GENIES/EFREET

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liophy
liophy


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posted March 20, 2009 10:51 AM

Quote:

Titans do not hate Black Dragons and vice versa!




I believe, that this is only on TE. And i find it very reasonable, because otherwise Tower will find it very difficult to get into Utopia early.


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csarmi
csarmi


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posted March 21, 2009 10:24 PM
Edited by csarmi at 22:56, 21 Mar 2009.

Nothing new here.
It was all posted in the custom tavern project (or what was its name: there was a thread where information like this was collected and new rumours were made. i still have the file on my comp).

The thing with elementals have nothing to do with love/hate relations, it's just that it seems they are doing magical (elemental/mind) damage. (i dont say its completely coherent). Probably better explained with love/hate i dunno.

So:
All elementals do half damage to magic elementals (immune to any magic).
Psychic elementals do half damage to any creature that's (naturally) immune to mind spells.
Magic elementals do half damage to any creature that's (naturally) immune to magic (including other magic elementals)

Don't remember all of it, but I've posted it somewhere.

yea, the thread is named 'not in the manual'. this stuff is on page 8-10.

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storm-giant
storm-giant


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posted March 21, 2009 11:41 PM

Didn't know most of them
Good to know

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SAG
SAG


Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted March 22, 2009 11:04 AM

Quote:
Nothing new here.


I forgot that it was mentioned in "Not in the manual" thread.
Now I spent several hours reading all pages of this thread and found that in middle pages there is a bit incomplete information. Also, information is not very clear.
Quote:

So:
All elementals do half damage to magic elementals (immune to any magic).


Incorrect.

I made few more tests, spent some 3 hours
results are:

Titan hate BD (SOD) tested
BD hate Titans (SOD) tested
BD do normal to Magic and Psy (SOD) tested
Gigant do normal to BD, Red dragons  (SOD) tested
Red dragons do normal to Gigants and Titans (SOD) tested

Psy do half to necro + mummy, Stone, Iron golem, Gold, Diamond Golem, Gigant, Titan, Water, Ice, Fire, Magma, Air, Energy, Psy, Magic, BD (SOD) tested

Psy do normal to Gargule (SOD) tested, to creatures protected by Anti-Magic, to troglodites

Mag elem do normal to necro + mummy, Stone, Iron , Gold, Diamond Golem, Gigant, Titan (SOD) tested , to other elementas (tested on water and ice, fire, air they r immune to Blind), to Psy elementals, to creatures protected by Anti-Magic, to troglodites

Magic do half to BD (SOD), tested
Titan do normal to Psy and Magic  (SOD) tested

Fire, Ice, Air elemantals, Gold golem do normal to to Magic and Psy (SOD) tested

Necro do normal to Magic and Earth (SOD) tested

Orb of Vulnerability and Medal of Courage doesn't influence for love and hate

I will edit first post later


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