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Salamandre
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posted November 02, 2015 02:34 PM

bloodsucker said:
my first posts about tactics I just have an expression to describe them: trolling.


Actually it was your english which was terrible. I remember you sending me incomprehensible PM on a daily bases which I could only ignore as they didn't make any sense. You should have thought "that guy is so arrogant he never responds" but in fact I had no clue what you want and why so often.
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bloodsucker
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posted November 02, 2015 02:35 PM
Edited by bloodsucker at 17:13, 02 Nov 2015.

That's why I wrote this disclamer "if he is open-minded enouch to learn anything, I mean".
And yes, in the very beggining I was so sure of my braindead ideas I would face Sal once and another, while till this day I can't win some of the battles in his maps (not to talk about Biobob/Nautilus ones). Humility is not one of my best qualities either.

@Sal Yes, being here helped me writing in english too.

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Corribus
Corribus

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The Abyss Staring Back at You
posted November 11, 2015 05:34 PM

Galaad said:
I want to post a complaint about Phoenix4ever. Please read the last 40 pages or so from the HotA thread and hopefully you can understand the problem.

Complaint noted. What would you like me to do about it - delete 40 pages of posts?

If you want me to come in here every day and micromanage all the childish bickering posts that go on in this forum, I will do it. Or, you can just learn to live with it.
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Galaad
Galaad

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posted November 11, 2015 07:19 PM

I understand the situation is hard to deal with, I am not asking you to do any of the above and if I had a solution for the better good of the forums I would have suggested, distraught I reported. Yes I can live with it, sad however.
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OhforfSake
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posted November 11, 2015 07:45 PM

Galaad said:
Please read the last 40 pages


Galaad said:
I don't ask for a penalty


Telling someone to read 40 pages is like asking them to penalize you.
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antipaladin
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posted November 14, 2015 02:16 PM

probbly not the best of ideas
but i can't find a working wog download link
where can i download the latest wog ?
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orzie
orzie


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Reinventing the Steel
posted November 14, 2015 03:54 PM

Simply look into a neighbouring thread

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antipaladin
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posted November 14, 2015 04:18 PM

link dead...
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Corribus
Corribus

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The Abyss Staring Back at You
posted December 03, 2015 04:21 AM
Edited by Corribus at 04:28, 03 Dec 2015.

In the spirit of openness, but also in the spirit of not further derailing the VCMI thread (cleaned of his disruption for a third time), I am posting notice here that torrasque has been penalized again for further breaking HC's rules. In addition, he has been silenced from public posting for a period of one week.  


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fred79
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posted January 03, 2016 09:14 AM

i recommend warmonger and whoever else from the vcmi team for a qp each, as well as nik312 and every other member of the hota team that visits here at hc for one each, as well(for their 1.4 version release).

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Galaad
Galaad

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posted January 03, 2016 12:23 PM

fred79 said:
i recommend warmonger and whoever else from the vcmi team for a qp each, as well as nik312 and every other member of the hota team that visits here at hc for one each, as well(for their 1.4 version release).

Seconded.
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Corribus
Corribus

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The Abyss Staring Back at You
posted January 04, 2016 05:48 AM

This isn't really how +QPs are designed to work here, as they are attached to specific posts and are intended to award high quality posts, not general contributions to the HoMM community. I know +QPs have been given in the past for new versions of mods, but it is hard to justify awarding them to whole teams of people. I find it difficult to do this fairly.
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fred79
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posted January 05, 2016 04:40 AM

with the historic reasoning behind delivered qp's, i can't see why members of a team couldn't be awarded. it's award-worthy work, certainly; and just because that something shared was the product of multiple people, it shouldn't exempt them from being acknowledged by the community benefitting from that teamwork. besides, qp's have been given for plenty less, in the past.

to not give the members a qp each for sharing their continuing contributions to the modding community, is like saying their work isn't appreciated, cor. are qp's made of gold? no. do they cost anyone here an arm and a leg? no. are qp's simply an respectful acknowledgment of worthwhile contributions? yes. so, why the hesitation?

*steps down off soapbox*

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OhforfSake
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posted January 05, 2016 01:29 PM

I think he means that *he* doesn't like to hand out qp like that. Every mod has handed out qp's differently, it's all subjective. So if it's really important to you, I think you'd have better luck asking Val to specify how qp's can be handed out.

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Galaad
Galaad

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posted January 05, 2016 09:23 PM

Ok.

I want to nominate HERE (VCMI ultimate pathfinding) and HERE (hota yearly update 2016).

What's quality post if not quality work in a modding forum?

Stand by for Succession Wars, as the next update is more than two years of work.
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Salamandre
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posted January 05, 2016 09:51 PM

Just a slight update: while nik312 is correctly undertaking his role of Hota advertiser, it is Sav who is doing 90% of the technical work (probably even more).

Thus Sav could get his first qp HERE. He is the Hota man, the whole project is resting on his shoulders. If someone is gonna reward them, this will be fair at least.

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Galaad
Galaad

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posted January 05, 2016 10:52 PM

Oh, thanks for pointing that out.
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Corribus
Corribus

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posted January 06, 2016 03:07 AM
Edited by Corribus at 03:09, 06 Jan 2016.

Having a feeling this is going to cause a ruckus, but here's the rub.

First, Val doesn't really lay out specific rules for what is considered a quality post here at HC, so as mods we pretty much have discretion over what does and what doesn't get a +QP. Each moderator has different personal interpretations of it, and even a single moderator like myself may have different ideas about it depending what forum we're in. To be clear, if I thought only posts that praise me should get +QPs, then that'd be that. Of course, I try to be more equitable about it and I do usually award +QPs to those that are suggested if I feel that they fit my basic interpretation for what a +QP should be awarded to. (By the way, the subjectivity of the system should tell you how much stock you should place in their value: very little.)

So what are my criteria? I have explained them somewhat in my posting guidelines at the OSM. Largely I think that policy applies pretty much everywhere. At a higher level, and I think this is supported by the HC FAQ, I believe that +QPs first and foremost to designate high quality posts rather than general, more delocalized activities by HC members. This makes sense, in light of the fact that Val has clearly indicated that they exist to encourage people to make more thoughtful posts rather than gaining status through flooding and spam. ("Red stars are ... a feature implemented in order to shift the focus away from gaining stars through quantity of posts to gaining stars through quality of posts.") Note that we award red stars to posts, not people.

Now, the FAQ does stipulate that "Sometimes quality points are also given for other forms of contribution to HC". As per above, it's really up to me what that means. But from the letter of the law, the important phrase here is "contribution to HC". There is an established history, for example, of giving +QPs to users to have made lists of all +QPs awarded in a forum or performed other such indexing services.

In the past, +QPs have been awarded in the modding forums to people who simply showed up and posted links to new versions of their mods. I have followed suit on occasion since I've been assigned to this forum. But I need point out that, while I'm sure we all appreciate that new mods to HoMM games benefit the HoMM community (body of people interested in HC), it really is NOT a service specifically to HC (the forum). It's a lot of work to put together such mods, sure, but that's not really what +QPs are intended to award, at least not from my perspective. Does awarding such posts encourage more thoughtful posts by HC members? No. And I doubt it encourages more mods, either. So what reason?

Furthermore, asking me to "give +QPs to every member of a team of people", or, for that matter, even individuals, has a few additional practical problems. First, I must attach +QPs to posts - so what posts do I attach them to? Random posts made by the modders? Well, that's confusing to other people who come by later and see red stars next to posts that, absent of context, don't seem to deserve them. It's also possible to leave people out, who then have a meritorious claim for lack of fairness. Are only core members of the team deserving of +QPs? What about people who playtested the mod, or just gave suggestions that were incorporated? On the other side, if I just award a +QP to the person who posted the link, well, that's not really fair to other members who worked on the project but were passed over for a +QP simply because they weren't the lucky one who posted a link to the project home page.

So, in the end, I don't like to award posts with just links to project pages, and I don't really like giving +QPs just because a new version of a mod came out. Doesn't mean I won't, but it makes me itchy. Give me a post that goes along with it that looks deserving of an award, then that's another story. I mean, your efforts, fred, have been awarded in the past (though you uncharitably threw them back in my face - which makes me a little curious as to why you're so up in arms about it if you value them so little) because you posted lots of images and explanations of your work. They look like good posts. Along those lines, I'm more inclined to give this post a +QP than this one, even though Sal claims Sav has done most of the actual work on the related mod. It's great that Sav is dedicated to making mods, but the award is good posts, not good modding efforts, and the advertising post is clearly the better, more informative post.

Sorry if that offends people or if you disagree with that philosophy, but there it is. I welcome alternative viewpoints, but you better make them good if you want to convince me.

(As a side note, not awarding such posts a +QP does not signify that the effort is unappreciated, as I hope this post clarifies.)
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fred79
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posted January 06, 2016 04:37 AM

Corribus said:
I mean, your efforts, fred, have been awarded in the past (though you uncharitably threw them back in my face - which makes me a little curious as to why you're so up in arms about it if you value them so little)


i didn't throw anything back in your face. to me, a qp should be rewarded for work that is shared, that is, that the community can actually put to good use. a community cannot put to good use mere pictures of decorations, but rather, something that allows them to readily use said decorations. the qp is such a small thing; but it is a sign of respect. the reason i had the qp removed, was because of my own standards. and, i warned beforehand. i wasn't taken seriously. i tried to make light of my actions to remove it, because i didn't want people to be offended by my rejection of it, or rather, the specifics behind my reasoning to. i knew that people respected my work, but i didn't feel that i had actually earned anything. i have standards, and i try not to bend or break them if i don't have to. which is always exceedingly difficult for me to keep, as i'm sure anyone would know based on the pov revealed by my talks here. my standards are not an easy thing to please; ask anyone who knows me personally.

Corribus said:

Sorry if that offends people or if you disagree with that philosophy, but there it is. I welcome alternative viewpoints, but you better make them good if you want to convince me.


if what i said in my previous post wasn't good enough for you, then i'll drop it. you have your standards, and i have mine. but i'll make one last go at it: what is the point of being "fair" to the community by leaving good work unrewarded, merely so someone who comes along later on won't be confused as to how that post got awarded, when they don't understand what was contributed by that person by that post alone?

imo, if there is any question as to why someone got awarded a qp, it should be specified in that post anyway, by the mod. a quick word or two, and any doubts would be readily addressed.

that said, i understand how it would be difficult to actually award everyone involved in a project, when they're not regular posters(and may not even be a member here. i mean, what are we gonna do; join the other forum, gain admin rights, and reward them there in some crazy and elaborate scheme?). and since i'm not even a member of either team, this is just me on a soapbox anyway. and ranters are mostly used for entertainment, rather than a source of news.

cor, you're tighter with these qp's than the proverbial farmer is with his daughters. and since rejection of them seems to get you in a bear trap mood... you can see where i'm going with this, i think. bear traps... farmer's daughters... i'll shut up now, before i lose something valuable between my legs.

or maybe not.

...just think: in the time it took you to type all your reasonings behind rejection of team-awards, you could have just awarded worthwhile work.

similarly, instead of me posting my point of view again, i could have just found out who was on what team, and found you posts by any members of both teams to be awarded, for you. so, shame on both of us.

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Salamandre
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posted January 06, 2016 10:19 AM

Fair enough, and I agree to 90% with Corribus's logic (the 10% remaining explained below).

Just pointing that without the huge technical work (for example) Sav does, there would be no Hota, then there would be no new posters (Hota is a top touristic destination in HC); so in my mind everything that rejuvenates positively a forum should be praised in a form or another, or the most basic form we have are qp's. They allow more posts, if need, less flood and that is almost all about. But also, and probably the most important aspect when in modding forums -unlike other forums, the qp's testify about that person's credibility concerning technical advice and posted links. Or this is mainly what Sav does in HC, he collects data about crashes, works his ass off to fix them, and then posts solutions further. Not very impressive visually, I agree, not so nice to read or learn from, but certainly very handy for all those visiting HC for that matter. That's all.
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