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Elvin
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posted March 30, 2009 01:03 PM |
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You guys are kidding right? You have not been faced with the kind of crap we have so I'll tell you something. Too much politeness is a sin. Because it will make an enraged guy feel like he can continue spewing his crap in your general direction and then some. I have said that before, we are not here to babysit immature, frustrated, foul-mouthed types, if they cannot follow the coc or see reason in what I say much less turn on me then I am not going to play nice and quote the coc for them or tell them how much better life is if you mellow out. Enough is enough and they must face the consequences of their actions, period.
As for will's example of shouting back this is ridiculous, how often have you seen us flame a member? Or do you really think you can keep the flames back by being a saint? Or is it another attempt at arguing semantics that seems to plague these forums? So easy to point the finger when you are in a safe position isn't it.
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Mytical
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posted March 30, 2009 01:10 PM |
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Elvin is correct about that. One of the reasons I consider myself to be only the 'roleplaying game moderator' is that I have a hard time doing what is needed when it comes down to it. It's also one of the reasons I have asked never to be moved beyond the Glade. I feel sorry for Pan, because she too often has to be the bad guy. The forums she is a Moderator for has the most problems with flaming, and people bashing, etc. Then she gets guff for being the bad guy. When she is the good guy, she gets guff for that also. Lose/lose situation.
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Elvin
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posted March 30, 2009 01:15 PM |
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So you might as well enjoy it  Well not really but let us just say there are certain things that cannot be tolerated nor do I have to put on my happy-happy face. We must be resolute and decisive when it gets rough.
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Azagal
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posted March 30, 2009 01:18 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 13:25, 30 Mar 2009.
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I think you're taking this from the wrong direction.
Yes too much politeness is a sin. And I don't think me nor will were talking about Quote:
immature, frustrated, foul-mouthed types, if they cannot follow the coc or see reason in what I say much less turn on me
Of course there is no need to quote the CoC for a guy who creates his 5th secondary account and tell me that he should please refrain from doing so in the future if he wouldn't mind.
What I was talking about (and I believe will too, eventhough I don't want to talk for him ) were the community members. The guys who already know this place and it's people.
When something goes wrong I think we can all agree that the mods should go from a friendly advise, to a more serious warning, to official warning, to measures. Or isn't that reasonable?
What I saw in wills example was that mods do skip a few steps and don't bother to give a formaly correct warning (it's not about quoting the CoC it's about replying a appopriate manner for a mod).
And I interpreted the "shouting back" part as simply reacting inapropriatly instead of flaming. I don't think I've seen a mod yet. But come on... a flaming mod. This shouldn't even be a possibility.
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Elvin
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posted March 30, 2009 01:23 PM |
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Who has? If you are talking about pan she has made numerous posts about things we should refrain from or that she takes issue with even if not in hcm. Failing to take her seriously has consequences no?
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Azagal
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posted March 30, 2009 01:33 PM |
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Who has? If you are talking about pan she has made numerous posts about things we should refrain from or that she takes issue with even if not in hcm. Failing to take her seriously has consequences no?
Why do I have to give names? It's an observation I've made during my time on here. For exact quotes I only have the one I just gave earlier. I'm not attacking anyone in particular here.
But if you want to take Pan as an example so be it. Things aren't as easy as "making a post about things we should refrain from" and tadaaa all actions are justified against someone who will not post according to those "guidelines". We wouldn't need mods if it were like that since we have the CoC.
Again I'm talking about community members (real ones). If they step over a line (even stepping over a line isn't some exact point you can point at, as you can see with all the discussion arround decision by mods, be they positive or negative) I seen it often enough on here that they haven't been treated apropriately (meaning a mod not being professional in the way he/she replied to said person).
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pandora
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posted March 30, 2009 02:58 PM |
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Ah what fun...is there an end in sight yet?
I think most of the things I could reply are things that I've said a million times in many different (yet somehow the same) situations.
Mods are human, we make mistakes, it's not our intention to hurt anyone, blablabla...
Trying to say how we should or shouldn't talk to someone is just not helpful advice. Everyone is different, we're not robots - eventually we figure out when people are more sensitive than others and try to adjust, but that's a matter of human interaction - nothing you can set to policy.
I know I've made mistakes, I know I lose my temper when I feel I'm being constantly disrespected - but I'm not going to bend over for anyone just because they think my position here means that they have a right to abuse me.
I understand that people want to get their two cents in, and that's fair - this is a community, but wow how often does that work out in a positive way?
A great example would be the whole (insert ominous music here) penalty to Ash debacle... I reacted to a negative post, there were a whole lot of reasons for it, and some of them were personal. Had everyone just left it, sent me a HCm or whatever, that thing wouldn't have remained. In fact when I came back to reverse it, the harassment had already begun and I thought "screw it" other mods were behind me - why should I? I did reverse it, because it wasn't fair to Ash. She's one of the only people on "Team Ash" who didn't see fit to berate me on HCM's, and for that I took it away and did not remove one of her other penalties.
As far as the rest of this goes, I thought aside from RSF's "dispensing of medicine" it was all but done. I had even thought to try to make more of an effort to be active and get to know some of the cooler new guys around here - but this is such a great reminder why I pulled back in the first place.
All of the other mods are great people, they all have real lives and real problems but they come here to try to make the place better. If you can't respect that, then just quit posting here.
Take the penalty to RSf as a warning, if I see anyone directly attacking any of the other moderators I will give them one too.
I know that no one has yet to do that, but if that's the road this thread is on, I'm just letting you know right now what the result will be.
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posted March 30, 2009 05:02 PM |
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Edited by Carcity at 17:13, 30 Mar 2009.
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We like to treat people with the respect given us. So if we come accross somebody who doesn't respect us, well we tend to give back what we get.
That doesn't sound like a very good moderator action to me. If someone doesn't treat you with respect, then you should try to be neutral and not show lack of respect back to them, right? I mean, if you worked at a supermarket and a customer came up to you with a serious lack of respect, started abusing you and calling you names, would you do the same thing? I doubt it.
Thank you will that was top notch .
This is exactly the problem I've had during discussion with mods in the past. In some cases we manged in others we didn't. But you're perfectly right about the code of behaviour mods should maintain.
EDIT: Just read your second post. And yeah things don't much truer than what you're saying.
Hmm. I thought that the mods job was to keep order around the community. not do something cause one man is yelling? but that's just me.
also: I agree completely with Father's wierd but yet wise post.
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VokialBG
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posted March 30, 2009 05:27 PM |
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@Father: That's the offtopic of all offtopics. Post on the concrete subject.
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That doesn't sound like a very good moderator action to me. If someone doesn't treat you with respect, then you should try to be neutral and not show lack of respect back to them, right?
In Bulgaria we have a nice saying: Respect, if you want to be restected. It's in force for me here. Respect is what I want, and what I may give to some members.
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I mean, if you worked at a supermarket and a customer came up to you with a serious lack of respect, started abusing you and calling you names, would you do the same thing? I doubt it.
I've done this before many times (when I was a butcher for a while) but that's have nothing to do with moderarating a forum. Also I did it to an underling for last time (man, I hate them!). Anyway I'll never insult someone, if he disrespect me, I'll only disrespect him as well.
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Aculias
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posted March 30, 2009 05:35 PM |
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Plus, we've had bad mods in the past, and it took them a while to get the boot.
Examples?
I'll give you a few.
Romana.
Giving her password away to one of the worst hacking butthole members we ever had when Mods used passwords back then.
Dear Morons.
Kitten Angel.
Breaking every rule in the book. Literally on a manhunt to ban certain members.
Stealing pages from HC.
Deleting certain member posts. Power hungry.
I got to go to work. Might say more later 
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Elvin
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posted March 30, 2009 07:03 PM |
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I bet she'll appreciate that 
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posted March 30, 2009 07:50 PM |
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If I was a moderator - I'd deal with HCM messages the same way than with board messages. Simple and easy. A private insult is still an insult - and that's btw. true the other way round as well.
Someone who starts to throw around with 4-letter words just because it's a private mail should get the same penalty than doing it openly.
A mod doing this should cease being a mod, mind you.
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Geny
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posted March 30, 2009 09:08 PM |
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@Father
As Pan's liaison I give you here thanks for you magnificent gift. I am sure she will even say this to you personally once she finishes her valuable sleep far away from here.
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Salamandre
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posted March 30, 2009 09:25 PM |
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QP's should be awarded only for contributing to Heroes game (so something REMAINS for ever). I understand that many people just like to chat here every day about "sirious" subjects and (re)make the world.
But it still remains very superficial, as well as their comments towards the moderators. If you dislike something with moderators, feel free to leave. Nothing is democratic in the actual world, even if it seems so. If I want to read something valuable, I have the newspapers and thousand books. But here I am looking for people creativity towards Heroes.
The only thing in which you can be useful here is contributing to the game. All other is garbage, people gets passionate in every thread, and after a while it gets down and is forgotten while a new starts and so on.
I support Pandora 100%, first because I know her, second because I signed an agreement, and so you did.
The Internet hurt "Ego" is a false reality. I could insult you all the day, it still has no impact on your real life or your job, hobbies, passions. Some think that because they discuss so called serious things all the day here, they are beyond forum rules, and their EGO gets inflated. We don't know each other and most probably never will.
About Asheera issue: undoubtedly Asheera is the most valuable member here for all her help, scripts, knowledge regarding Heroes V. But she did the mistake to put her nose in every existent low or high quality thread (as I do here), so it was only matter of time until she makes a wrong step. It is human. All this will be forgotten in less than one month.
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pandora
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posted March 30, 2009 10:37 PM |
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Hmm. I thought that the mods job was to keep order around the community. not do something cause one man is yelling? but that's just me.
Sometimes all it takes is that one guy yelling enough nonsense to disturb the order in our community...
@ Father, thanks - that was sweet
Hmm, Salamandre raises a very interesting point - if we were to reserve QP's for only posts involving the game of Heroes, not only do we preserve the game within HC by giving status to those who keep it going - but also the QP system becomes much less of an opinion based thing, regulating what does and does not get a QP would be ever so much easier - which muss less to discuss afterwards.
Of course that would involve some major revamping to the system, but it makes sense in a lot of ways to me.
Thanks Sal, for the input and the support
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posted March 30, 2009 10:42 PM |
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The Internet hurt "Ego" is a false reality. I could insult you all the day, it still has no impact on your real life or your job, hobbies, passions.
I wish this were true for everyone - and it is for me. But it's not that way for everybody.
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angelito
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posted March 30, 2009 10:53 PM |
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Thanks for all these HCMs I recieved today, where some of you named Mods who fit perfectly into this statement:
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Plus, we've had bad mods in the past, and it took them a while to get the boot.
Examples?
But they haven't been bad mods from the beginning. When they started to get "bad" and it was prooven or obvious, then the either got de-moded, or quit themself.
I can't name any bad Mod who stayed Mod for long...
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A police officer doesn't have to be a "better" person just to bring someone into jail who broke the rules.
If a Mod breaks too many rules, the Admin will take care. If a member breaks too many rules, a Mod will take care. Where is the problem?
If I think you abuse your non existing flood protection in a bad way, I think it is purely justified to raise your flood protection again. What's wrong with that?
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Elvin
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posted March 31, 2009 12:08 AM |
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Well said Salamandre. Wish more people could see things your way.
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Aculias
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posted March 31, 2009 12:40 AM |
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Edited by Aculias at 01:29, 31 Mar 2009.
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@Father: That's the offtopic of all offtopics. Post on the concrete subject.
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That doesn't sound like a very good moderator action to me. If someone doesn't treat you with respect, then you should try to be neutral and not show lack of respect back to them, right?
In Bulgaria we have a nice saying: Respect, if you want to be restected. It's in force for me here. Respect is what I want, and what I may give to some members.
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I mean, if you worked at a supermarket and a customer came up to you with a serious lack of respect, started abusing you and calling you names, would you do the same thing? I doubt it.
I've done this before many times (when I was a butcher for a while) but that's have nothing to do with moderarating a forum. Also I did it to an underling for last time (man, I hate them!). Anyway I'll never insult someone, if he disrespect me, I'll only disrespect him as well.
Being a mod dont make you special Vokial. Respect goes both ways.
Like Pandora said, you guys are human & make mistakes as well.
You cant just expect us to 100% kiss your butts & expect us to not have issues.There will be disagreements with mods.
Come on Vokial what is respect to you?
I dont care if you respect me or not.
I dont have to respect you either.
Whatever though.
Angelo 
I guess that just leaves Kitten as the only bad mod.
For years as well, not just recently.
She also did alot of things that some others did not see when she first started modding in the tavern.
She was good in the WOG moderating.
Pending deleted threads as well.
Good threads also.
Bacn when the Volcanic Wasteland was where threads pended for delete.
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Aculias
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posted March 31, 2009 12:42 AM |
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I actually like Salamandre being on these off topic discussions.
Most old time TOH players only go in the toh boards or the LOE.
It's good to some old timers giving their piece of mind.
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