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Heroes Community > Other Games Exist Too > Thread: "Lords of the Rings I "Vs. "Lord of the Rings II"
Thread: "Lords of the Rings I "Vs. "Lord of the Rings II" This thread is 3 pages long: 1 2 3 · «PREV / NEXT»
Adrius
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posted April 11, 2009 09:16 PM

To be fair, Dawn of War also had a bit of rock-paper-scissor strategy with its Heavy Infantery, Light Infantry and so on... (Plasma weapons for heavy ones, heavy bolters for light infantry...)

But that doesn't mean that an elite light infantry unit cannot beat a Space Marine squad with heavy bolters, they'll own those Space Marines!

In BFME2, if a Mumakil runs into a squad of pikemen, what happens? It gets brutally raped to shreds, all that money and time in a few seconds...

What BFME needs are units that do take a pounding by certain weapons, but it does not mean certain DOOM for them.
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Nebdar
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posted April 11, 2009 10:20 PM

Yes Adrius the Mumakills are the hardest to manage and get something good form it...

I have currently ended skirmishing training...

started on the easy handicap(-95%)... to learn what is where and how(the tutorial learnt control and attack but didn't explained how to handle the economy..)

The posionous abilities of Goblins look scary are they that powerful as i think they are ?

Any of you players have a time build walls ?

I don't know why but i like the Dwarves from the first sight so tried with them to fight agqainst medium Mordor... and what i have discovered i am out of shape, very out of shape... I had to restart the game for the first bad approach..... the second was much better. Thanks that i can spam the defense towers built about 20-30 of them in strategic location.(But I Think the first part solution of fixed building locations was much better, more realistic and more effort demanding to keep proper control on the map and battlefield)  Didn't even had a time to recruit an hero, but as for ending i took the One Ring and Recruited Galadriel...

Oh where are the times that i could destroy Hard AI's on any map in the first BFME with almost no chalenge.(sometimes it happened that my enemy had an Balrog but didn't have the inteligence to use it properly


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Adrius
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posted April 11, 2009 10:28 PM
Edited by Adrius at 22:30, 11 Apr 2009.

You wanna know a trick?

Get a map that has one of those Drake lairs (evil fire breathing critters)

Turn the AI up to the most insane level and play with a customised hero with the ability that lets you take over lairs.

Run to the lair, capture it with the ability and spend all your resources on more Drakes.

Own... own... own

EDIT: Oh and I never built walls. Never had time or money. You'll want to spend it on units anyway.
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Totoro
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posted April 12, 2009 10:31 AM

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Mumakills are the hardest to manage and get something good form it...
Mumakils are not worth their price... don't create them.

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(the tutorial learnt control and attack but didn't explained how to handle the economy..)
Best way to handle economy is to have 3 workers build gold production buildings until the whole map is covered by your production circles. Also destroy enemy production buildings with little groups of some basic units. And then build your own on their place.

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The posionous abilities of Goblins look scary are they that powerful as i think they are ?
One of the worst units in the game... If you play goblins, be sure to create Cave Trolls. Best unit in the game imo. They can mass murder almost any troops as well as take down any building.

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Any of you players have a time build walls ?
Don't waste your time creating walls. They're destroyed way too easy.

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I don't know why but i like the Dwarves from the first sight so tried with them to fight agqainst medium Mordor... and what i have discovered i am out of shape, very out of shape... I had to restart the game for the first bad approach..... the second was much better. Thanks that i can spam the defense towers built about 20-30 of them in strategic location.(But I Think the first part solution of fixed building locations was much better, more realistic and more effort demanding to keep proper control on the map and battlefield)  Didn't even had a time to recruit an hero, but as for ending i took the One Ring and Recruited Galadriel...
I think dwarves and mordor are the worst factions in the game. Men are outright best and elves come as a good number 2.
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Nebdar
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posted April 12, 2009 05:17 PM

Thanks Adrius for the tip and will try also to find my way to win...

Totoro thanks for your opinion an advices( You seem to like mentoring and lectureing ) I have to play more to get my opinion on those subjects. But...

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Don't waste your time creating walls. They're destroyed way too easy.


When i have played they seem to be helful to block fast groups of units like small spiders or corsairs that have been passing my tower lines

What about starting strategy for the skirmish/multiplayer whenyou start with 6000 Resources? Build fortress or not ?
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Totoro
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posted April 12, 2009 10:36 PM

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When i have played they seem to be helful to block fast groups of units like small spiders or corsairs that have been passing my tower lines
Instead of walls and towers you could use those resources for units.
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What about starting strategy for the skirmish/multiplayer whenyou start with 6000 Resources? Build fortress or not ?
You already have one fortress in the beginning.. you won't be needing another for some time... just use the resources on units and for more resource buildings.
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Nebdar
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posted April 13, 2009 12:41 PM
Edited by Nebdar at 14:19, 13 Apr 2009.

Sorry Totoro i made an mistake i was thinking about defending/attacking lands in the War for the Ring Mode.

So What about starting strategy in the War for the Ring Mode when you start with 6000 Resources? Build fortress or not ?

I tried not to build fortress on the begining and i was overrun by the Witch King + Orc Warriors + Arcgers + Troll on the begining ( Medium AI)..... I try too turn the favor of battle of war....(battle continoues)... do i have to also mention that he has the Ring

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Best way to handle economy is to have 3 workers build gold production buildings until the whole map is covered by your production circles. Also destroy enemy production buildings with little groups of some basic units. And then build your own on their place.


Tried this strategy against AI
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Totoro
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posted April 13, 2009 03:44 PM

I haven't played War of the Ring so much but in the beginning you should conquer as much areas as possible when it is still easy.

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Tried this strategy against AI
Nah, I haven't played against AI for years...
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Nebdar
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posted April 13, 2009 09:45 PM
Edited by Nebdar at 09:39, 14 Apr 2009.

It was a hard battle but I manage to emerge victorious

From the statistics it looked that the AI had one moment when it had 8500-9000 Reources(close enough to summon Sauron) If he would done that i would lose the battle for sure.

At first i thought that Eomer and Theoden with Horsmen from Rohan will do the job but they where only good for distractic making raids and luring away some forces. The main battle was won thanks to 100 or more Towers( i leaved there maybe some archer and forgot about them) and some trebuches.
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feenor
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posted April 14, 2009 09:28 AM

To be honest BFME was one of best RTS's I've evr played. I enjoyed it much more than WC3, AoE 2 and some other classic RTS games. (mostly because it's in LotR universe). But there were a few things I dislike about this game. All kinds of archers are far overpowered, and if you buy upgraded arrows they become undefeatable. Also I didn't like that buildings where so easy to destroy, in MP players were just sending single catapults and they destroyed everything before your fastest units could even reach it.
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Totoro
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posted April 14, 2009 02:43 PM

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All kinds of archers are far overpowered, and if you buy upgraded arrows they become undefeatable.
No, they're not. Any cavarly group can easily trample an archer group, expect when the archers are fully upgraded elves, in which case your cavarly would need some upgrades as well.
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Nebdar
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posted April 15, 2009 11:01 PM
Edited by Nebdar at 23:03, 15 Apr 2009.

Did you know...

Did you know that building more farms reduces the max amount of resource production of all other farms( i had built about 20 farms the max resource they have produced was +6 i have destoyed about 8 of them and the resource output of level one farms increased to +11)

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DagothGares
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posted April 15, 2009 11:05 PM

No, if you build farms in the territory of other farms they have less yield, because the more objects that block the circle around the farm, the lesser the percentage of produce. Just pick a farm, move it around and see the percentage change while you move it across the field. If the percentage is 100%, you'll get 35 produce. If your percentage is 45%, then your produce is something like 16-17.
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Nebdar
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posted April 16, 2009 01:26 AM
Edited by Nebdar at 01:27, 16 Apr 2009.

So how the amount of resources generated in One farm far far far away from the destroyed ones affect that One farm,

(As in my example the farm is in south west corner of the map and it produces +6, the destroyed one are in the north east corner, after the destroing these ones(on NE corner) the resource output on the farm in the SW corner is increased)

I have 1.06 EN version. This thing happens AFAIK on skirmish/war Of the Ring maps/battles

Try to build too much farms on the map and you will see the results
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Totoro
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posted April 16, 2009 05:28 PM
Edited by Totoro at 17:28, 16 Apr 2009.

Each farm has that ring. From that area are the resources collected. If that area is completely clear of objects and there is no other ring of another production building overlapping it, it will create 100%

The more there are objects and the more there are other production buildings using the same area, the less resources will be gathered.
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Nebdar
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posted April 20, 2009 03:11 PM

Ok here are the things about resource generation In BFME II:

Fortress gives 200 Command Points, Statue 10 CP and finnaly resource generator gives 50 CP. What does it have to do with resource generation? My answer it has and a lot.

Your cap of the CP per battlefield is 1000. 200CP (form Fortress) + 800-750CP from Farms(Or other Resouce Generating Building) + 10-50 CP from statues(If you use that sort of buildings). So the game alows you to build 15-16 RGBs and they all will generate the maximum amount of resources as they can giving their location. But if you try to build more (more that you need CP) the maximum amount of GR will decrease for all other RGB on the map, so on some point you will generate less resources with more RGB than you would generate with 15-16 RGB's.

The only way to increase futher the RG is to capture Outposts and building Fortresses on the battlefield.

Before that discovery the after game statistic showed me that i was genearting about 3200 Resources per minut. Now i have reached about 4200-4600 resources per minut.
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Totoro
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posted April 21, 2009 01:40 PM

Already existing Resource Generation Building's resource generation will decrease in only one way: You build something inside their ring.
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xerdux
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posted April 21, 2009 05:36 PM

I too liked the first one better. Both are great and I enjoyed the second one just as much but it felt to generic. The second one felt "I have played this atleast a million times before".

The balance was kind of bad but I loved many of the units such as all Archers and cavalry and big monsters such as the Mumakil who were a bit hard and annoying to control - just like a Mumakil should be!

The campaign was excellent... in the first one. The second one had also good story. I did love War of the Ring though.

Im against super weapons such as Galadriel or Sauron. But if Galadriel did have the ring, would she really match Sauron in power?

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DagothGares
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posted April 21, 2009 05:41 PM

Well, that's never specified, but the ring IS Sauron (or at least his power and beauty), if you want to understand better, xerox
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xerdux
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posted April 21, 2009 05:46 PM

I know that -.-

I just wondered if Galadriel would match Saurons physical shape in power if she got the ring.

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