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Heroes Community > Library of Enlightenment > Thread: WCL: Multiple league tournament 2009
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SAG
SAG


Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted April 17, 2009 09:27 AM
Edited by Valeriy at 10:35, 31 Jul 2017.

WCL: Multiple league tournament 2009

Heroes Online Training Center league also known as Heroes.by is inviting players from different HoMM3 leagues to participate in series of games "Heroes.by vs ALL".

Team of Heroes.by consists of 10 players.
Team of "ALL stars" (other leagues, 10 best players) consists currently of HeroesWorld, HeroesPortal, World Cup League. Maybe some other leagues will join too.

Timeframes of tournament:
starting end of April, maybe next week. 4 weeks for 2 games + 1 week if result is 1:1.

Rules:
- double elimination
- random maps, template 8mm6, XL+underground, 2 human+6 computer players, 160% difficulty, DD and Fly allowed
- game version: TE-full in general, maybe TE-light as an exception
- creature experience is optional
- other rules to follow

Saves from some these games will be uploaded to WCL.

ALL STAR - Heroes.by
Alessandro - Markon (0-2)
LeBron - Napalm (0-1)
Pit LM - Korg (2-0)
Dreamcatcher - SiL (1-2)
Dirty Player - Samurai (1,5-1,5)
Neoandy - Mike_SPB (0-2)
black_knight(LT league) - KobRa_SPb (1-1)
ProtosArchon(WCL) - Rusya (2-1)
Alone ekb - TERM (1-2)
Supermag - Disander (0-2)
Medium - Besha (0,5-1,5)
Fank(WCL) - DC_Vasya - (0-0)
TheGladiatorBG(WCL) - Piterius (1-2)

Score by games: 10-18, to heroes.by
Score by points: 3.5 - 9.5, to heroes.by

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black_knight
black_knight


Known Hero
LT League
posted April 17, 2009 11:21 AM

What about creature xp, roads, other scripts ?
Let's Dance

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liophy
liophy


Famous Hero
Bulgarian
posted April 17, 2009 12:29 PM

I am afraid that there will be very limited interest to this "tournament" with such rules and restrictions.


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black_knight
black_knight


Known Hero
LT League
posted April 17, 2009 12:46 PM

I dont think so, HeroesWorld/Portal has much good players, who play 2sm(3)d, 8mm6. And i dont care about the rules, need only to know all of them.

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SAG
SAG


Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted April 17, 2009 01:27 PM

well, these rules are common for russian players. My expectations are:
3-4 players from HeroesWorld, 3-4 from HeroesPortal, 3 from WCL. I hope that Protos will agree to play. Black_knight - do you wish to participate? As WCL player or as LT league representative?

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black_knight
black_knight


Known Hero
LT League
posted April 17, 2009 01:44 PM

Yes, i hope will be ok with time agreement. LT League, here began my career

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SAG
SAG


Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted April 17, 2009 02:02 PM
Edited by SAG at 11:07, 21 Apr 2009.

Latest list of "Heroes.by" team:
1) Roland
2) SIL
3) Mike Spb Napalm
4) Besha
5) Markon
6) Kobra
7) WIC
8) Rusya
9) Paladin DC_Vasya
10) Samurai
11) Korg
12) TERM
13) Disander

Latest list of "ALL stars" team:
1) LeBron
2) Pit LM
3) DreamCatcher
4) Dirty
5) NEO
6) Alessandro
7) Black_knight
8) Fank
9) ProtosArchon
10) Alone
11) Supermag
12) Medium
13) LightsOut
14) TheGladiatorBG

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black_knight
black_knight


Known Hero
LT League
posted April 17, 2009 04:27 PM

Nice to see HeroesWorld players in our team. We had friendly match with them yet

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fank0
fank0


Known Hero
There are no limits
posted April 18, 2009 07:57 AM

I would like to participate in this tournament if possible.
____________
And you believed that?

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black_knight
black_knight


Known Hero
LT League
posted April 18, 2009 09:06 AM
Edited by black_knight at 09:07, 18 Apr 2009.

10) SAG (unconfirmed). Why not ?

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SAG
SAG


Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted April 20, 2009 10:46 AM

I've updated list of players (above).
Rules:
Town selection: randomized http://heroes.by/random_towns.php + players make gold bets for town. Whose bet is higher, get the town and should transfer offered gold amount on day 1 (special script allows to do it), second player selects color.
Moral of neutral guards: disabled
Upgraded stack in groops of neutral guards: disabled
Red orb and Cloak: disabled
One-way monoliths work as many-way monoliths (special script)
Red rush is allowed
Offensive magic hit'n'run not allowed on round 1
Tower starts with 35-40 gremlins instead of 25-35, Rampart starts with 14-20 centaurs instead of 10-16 http://heroes.by/files/rp3.zip
Restarts:
- mandatory restart if hero level >1
- restart if players meet by 1.1.6 (including 1.1.6). Meeting means: attacking another human player or taking any town, dwelling, mine of another human player
- restart if there are bugs in game because of incorrect settings
- 1 restart on 1.1.1
- 1 restart till 1.1.3 (including)
- Tower player can take restart on 1.1.1 if he has Piquedram in tavern, Rampart player may take restart on 1.1.1 if he has Ufretin in tavern. In these cases not allowed to explore map on 1.1.1.
Misplaced guards: not allowed to take artifacts, pandora, prisons, anything else is allowed
Grail: allowed to dig after and including 2.2.1
Draw condition: if battle ends in a draw - then attacking player must flee (even if attacking player has better army).

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black_knight
black_knight


Known Hero
LT League
posted April 20, 2009 12:03 PM

If Random towns was Fortress vs. Tower, we started play and me or opponent taked Rest, possible to do again Random Towns + new bet?
Or we must play Fortress vs. Tower anyway.

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SAG
SAG


Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted April 20, 2009 02:48 PM

towns selection should stay the same

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bloucester
bloucester


Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
posted April 21, 2009 09:17 AM
Edited by bloucester at 09:17, 21 Apr 2009.

so? a bunch of russian players create a new version of the game, play by their new rules and the whole world has to do the same?


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SAG
SAG


Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted April 21, 2009 11:06 AM

Russian players are very skilled. They have played with several different leagues by rules of these leagues and won all these tournaments (remember, WCL lost 1:5 to Heroes.by). Now they invite players of other leagues to play by their rules. I think that it's a good chance not only to define winners and personal skills, but also to learn about how to play this game better,so I will definitely look into saves of these game with big interest. I've played myself several games by their rules and on their templates and found these games more interesting than Jebus Of course, I wish good luck to all WCL players in games vs Heroes.by team

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xlnt
xlnt


Known Hero
posted April 21, 2009 01:04 PM

Yeah, if they sent the invitation - they should say the rules - nothing wrong here. But it shouldn't be taken as if these rules are 'best' or even 'fair' - or at least, please try to explain why every rule is created and what is it's idea.

why should there be computer players, why 160% and not 130, etc...

why this template? what is wrong with say.. true random?

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liophy
liophy


Famous Hero
Bulgarian
posted April 21, 2009 01:30 PM

Quote:
Russian players are very skilled. They have played with several different leagues by rules of these leagues and won all these tournaments (remember, WCL lost 1:5 to Heroes.by).  

I got sick of these odes how good the russian players are. Maybe they are good, but for at least some of them there is an explanation why they are so "invincible".

I am not in the game from yesterday and i know pretty well what does mean when somebody try to prove he is the best. And for at least one case its exactly like that!!!

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arnenzo
arnenzo

Tavern Dweller
posted April 21, 2009 02:13 PM

any games played allready?
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angelito
angelito


Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
proud father of a princess
posted April 21, 2009 02:15 PM

Quote:
Russian players are very skilled. They have played with several different leagues by rules of these leagues and won all these tournaments (remember, WCL lost 1:5 to Heroes.by).
As far as I remember, the main rules were set by the Heroes.by players, not by WCL. Or do you think anyone of us would have choosen this strange town selection system? Or the strange fighting order (1 players plays as long as he loses a game, then the next player comes in).
So the only thing which came from WCL was Jebus template.

I wonder why those players deny to play "all random"...is there a reason?
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Better judged by 12 than carried by 6.

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SAG
SAG


Promising
Supreme Hero
WCL owner
posted April 21, 2009 03:31 PM

Quote:

why should there be computer players, why 160% and not 130, etc...

why this template? what is wrong with say.. true random?

modern rules of Heroes.by players came from originally Chaos-league rules. There was task to determine skill of players by setting most hard settings. So, 200% and XL+u and 6 comp players.
Regarding template: this is one of the best (maybe best) standard template for XL+under. Non-standard templates are not very popular in Russia, maybe because people didn't create them...Though new template Spider is pretty interesting.
Quote:

Maybe they are good, but for at least some of them there is an explanation why they are so "invincible".

...Why?
Quote:

i know pretty well what does mean when somebody try to prove he is the best

This (proving that some player is the best) is not the objective of this tournament. Objectives are:
- to make TE version more popular
- to unity players from different leagues
- to share knowledge, experience
- to have fun
Quote:
And for at least one case its exactly like that

what do you mean?
Quote:
any games played allready?

none yet. Final details in discussion. I will definitely post here more information about pairs of players etc.
Quote:
So the only thing which came from WCL was Jebus template.

80% rules were set by WCL players. All templates (Jebus, Balance, Panic) were unknown to Heroes.by players. They just studied them for few days.
Quote:
Or do you think anyone of us would have choosen this strange town selection system?

I don't remember any big complains about it...Are you sure it was a problem?
Quote:
Or the strange fighting order

that was most easy formula, else tournament could have continued for few months.
Quote:
I wonder why those players deny to play "all random"...

I guess "All random" is used pretty often on TE version. Just it's not default, because selection (that is mentioned above) allows more choices. If someone would prefer "All random" - i can negotiate this.

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