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LordGodric
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posted April 22, 2009 10:29 PM |
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Very bad ideia!
I loved h3, the "mitology" is the best of heroes series... except for the dwarves in the rampart!
I can't see dwarves living in the forests with elves!
I prefer a dwarven faction - better developed than h5
in h6 the fortress shall be beter developed! in h5 are 5 dwarves, a giant (or a dwarf that fall in the 'gaulish potion of strenght', like obelox =P...) and ONE other crweature...
lets see the creatures...
1 Defender is a pretty tier 1, a very good concept...
2 the arpoon guy is here only be cause we need a shooter
3 very good concept, many peoples hate this unit, but i simple love they! a awesome concept! a bit strange of course, but so good... about questions like "bears are much bigger than dwarves, and eat dwarves" ... well... since i know of mytology griffins are very savege and very large... and humans can tame they since h3... i like griffins with humans, and i like bears with dwarf...
4 a good ideia... for other game, not for a strategy game... 2 or 3 dwarves may be crazy to go to war and fight only with gauntleds... but not a battalion af them!
5 one of the bests ideias fo the game! wise dwarven prists looks cool!
6 well... a guy with a huge hammer/axe is very good... but, the are clan lords, arent they? - their building is clan halls - i think that a clan lord of a DWARVEN should be a DWARF! and thanes arent dwarves... - of couse i have a teory about a gaulish potion...
7 good concep, bad design... that isnt a dragon, is a 'godzilla'...
i think that a faction of dwarves may have 3 dwarves and other creatures, like the magma dragon, a stone giant, a wolf... may be:
1 defender - with an axe or a hammer of course, instead of that 'pickaxe'
2 sothing that shoot something...
3 a bear, or a wolve, if is a wolve change the shooter to tier 3 and move the wolve to tier 2
4 the rune priest/patriarch!
5 an elite dwarven warrior, with a cool armor, carring a hammer (if the defender use an axe - or vice-versa) - may switch the patriarch and the warrior from tiers
6 stone giant, slow and with a huge defense and hp score!
7 a magma dragon! but with a cool design!
... about ceantaurs...
I SIMPLE HATE H5 CENTAURS!!!
they may be with elves - using a lance intead of the bow - as tier 2 creature - say see you to war dancer - or in other faction, like... erm... another faction! may be a faction with satyrs, anoether kind of pixies, ceantaurs warriors, and centaurs shamans -I always wanted this in heroes-....
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rubycus
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posted April 23, 2009 09:22 AM |
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shift Thane up a space, put a warrior giant at level 6.
As for the rest of it, Rune Priests are pretty much where they should be, move Bear Riders up to tier 4, stick in a proper warrior at tier 3 (one upgrade gets throwing axe), replace Spear Wielder with Boar (crops up a few times in Norse Mythology) and keep Defenders more-or-less as they are (maybe a few graphical and name changes, make them seem a bit more relevant to tier 1).
I totally agree  I think the Fire Dragons are quite cool, but I don't think they fit in the Dwarven town. They should be in an elemental town or something.
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4. Einherjar
haha, lol You can't imagine how funny that sounds in my language. (Norwegian that is)
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xerox
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posted April 23, 2009 05:59 PM |
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Im swedish so it would probably translate to "En härjare" in swedish. Also I spelled it wrong... I cant speak old norse.
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h1_cr_Druid
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posted April 23, 2009 06:02 PM |
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ok i agre!! dvarv is snov kreatur. not forest kreatur
i lik clan lord tey are coooool but deafnight is cooler 
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Ednaguy
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posted April 23, 2009 06:16 PM |
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Edited by Ednaguy at 18:17, 23 Apr 2009.
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Im swedish so it would probably translate to "En härjare" in swedish. Also I spelled it wrong... I cant speak old norse.
Wiki: In Norse mythology, the einherjar (Old Norse "lone fighters")
So Einherjar isn't "ein (a) + Herjar (Wild/hyperactive person)", but "einsleg/eigen (single/lone/own) + Herjar" 
And I agree to that the dwarves should be in a mountain faction instead of a snow faction.
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alcibiades
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posted April 23, 2009 06:40 PM |
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shift Thane up a space, put a warrior giant at level 6.
As for the rest of it, Rune Priests are pretty much where they should be, move Bear Riders up to tier 4, stick in a proper warrior at tier 3 (one upgrade gets throwing axe), replace Spear Wielder with Boar (crops up a few times in Norse Mythology) and keep Defenders more-or-less as they are (maybe a few graphical and name changes, make them seem a bit more relevant to tier 1).
I totally agree I think the Fire Dragons are quite cool, but I don't think they fit in the Dwarven town. They should be in an elemental town or something.
Well yes, we don't have an elemental town, so for now, they sit ok in Fortress if you ask me. Fits with the forge theme.
Btw. I'd say Wolves instead of Boars. There's nothing wrong with Boars, but they don't normally live in arctic environments, so they would be out of place in the glacial Fortress. Wolves would be perfect.
Apart from that, my Fortress line-up would look pretty much like the one descriped above:
1. Defender
2. Wolf
3. Fighter
4. Bear Rider
5. Rune Priest
6. Thunderbird
7. Fire Dragon
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LordGodric
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posted April 23, 2009 07:18 PM |
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1. Defender
2. Wolf
3. Fighter
4. Bear Rider
5. Rune Priest
6. Thunderbird
7. Fire Dragon
good idea! Thundr/frost/firebirds intead of any king of giant, be cause we need a flyer, of course -2 flyers, i think, cause the dragon may fly...?-, and it fits cool on the theme.
*dwarves shall be not in snow or mountain, but in snowy mountains! living the face of the maountain and also IN the mountain!*
but... what about a low lvel shooter? may the figther trows axes os something like that? - ist a good ideia: shoots 2 axes, then, the ammo is over, goes into the fray! *baruk khazâd!!*
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razor5
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posted April 23, 2009 09:04 PM |
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Edited by razor5 at 21:04, 23 Apr 2009.
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Btw. I'd say Wolves instead of Boars. There's nothing wrong with Boars, but they don't normally live in arctic environments, so they would be out of place in the glacial Fortress. Wolves would be perfect.
Nice idea Alc,I think also wolves are the best animals for the Fortress dwarfs.I've got a crazy idea about dwarves having penguins,seriosly,it can be the unique sniper creature 
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1. Defender
2. Wolf
3. Fighter
4. Bear Rider
5. Rune Priest
6. Thunderbird
7. Fire Dragon
Well,I'd really like to see a more viking style dwarves:
1. Defender
2. Wolf
3. Bersecker (a different one,not like in H5,having a huge axe with blood on it,it should have powerful Attack,low Defense,high Initiative,then it doesn't matter)
4. Penguin (seriously! a sniper creature)
5. Rune Priest
6. Thane (but smaller)
7. Thunderbird
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Lexxan
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posted April 23, 2009 10:25 PM |
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No Dwarves in Sylvan. I prefer them as either a neutral mini-faction (3-5 levels + Upgrades) or in Stronghold. (I was never fond of the H5 Fortress, though I could live with that). However, Dwarves + Elves makes little to no sence. Leprechauns do, Dwarves don't.
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MattII
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posted April 23, 2009 10:51 PM |
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Edited by MattII at 23:06, 23 Apr 2009.
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Well yes, we don't have an elemental town, so for now, they sit ok in Fortress if you ask me. Fits with the forge theme.
But we don't have dragons for any of the other elements (it's their mythology), so why do we need another dull dragon?.
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Btw. I'd say Wolves instead of Boars. There's nothing wrong with Boars, but they don't normally live in arctic environments, so they would be out of place in the glacial Fortress. Wolves would be perfect.
Wolves are no more arctic animals than boars or grizzlys, I mean polar-bears hay hunt seals, but wolves are more-or-less restricted to mammals with hooves. Besides, I've already got wolves in my Sylvan lineup.
My current concept of a new Fortress faction is more-or-less
1. Defender
2. Boar
3. Warrior
4. Bear Rider
5. Rune Priest
6. Giant
7. Thane
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posted April 23, 2009 10:52 PM |
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No Dwarves in Sylvan. I prefer them in Stronghold.
The STRONGHOLD, where did that Idea come from? Strongholdians use mostly blunt weaponry, while Dwarves traditionly use axes, which are slashing weaponry. I think Dwarves fit in best with the wizardry faction (Tower) where they lived in HoMM IV. In many fantasty universes, dwarves are natrual enginneers, which fits in with the golem/construct idea of The HoMM V Academy.
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MattII
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posted April 23, 2009 11:06 PM |
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Edited by MattII at 23:21, 23 Apr 2009.
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Ugh, Academy isn't much better than Rampart. Dwarves are natural miners, not natural engineers, gnomes are the engineers, and with all due respect, golems are more magic than engineering, so neither of them are really needed. besides the Academy is in the desert now, so I see no chance in hell that the dwarves would fit there.
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blizzardboy
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posted April 24, 2009 01:29 AM |
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If they're going to be a unit in another faction again, really, Haven/Castle is probably the most appropriate. They could be a heavy tower shield ground unit, around tiers 2-4.
edit: or just take out good/neutral dwarves and put in dark evil dwarves. Stick in a fire-based evil dwarf for Inferno or a dark dwarf for the Dungeon town.
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alcibiades
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posted April 24, 2009 06:33 AM |
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Well yes, we don't have an elemental town, so for now, they sit ok in Fortress if you ask me. Fits with the forge theme.
But we don't have dragons for any of the other elements (it's their mythology), so why do we need another dull dragon?.
I agree that there has been a fine line between the mythological dragons (Dragon of Darkness, Dragon of Earth) and their, well, Ashanly incarnations (Black Dragon, Emerald Dragon) which was broken with the fortress, because we both have the mythological "Fire of Dragon" and the unit "Fire Dragon", which had better been named simply as Lava Dragon for basic version.
However, I think the concept of a walking lizardly dragon - call it dragon or something else, if that suites you better - risen out of the molten rock is very cool and suites the forge faction (be that Dwarves or Gnomes) perfectly well.
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Btw. I'd say Wolves instead of Boars. There's nothing wrong with Boars, but they don't normally live in arctic environments, so they would be out of place in the glacial Fortress. Wolves would be perfect.
Wolves are no more arctic animals than boars or grizzlys, I mean polar-bears hay hunt seals, but wolves are more-or-less restricted to mammals with hooves. Besides, I've already got wolves in my Sylvan lineup.
Sorry, but Boars simply don't belong in a line-up in a snowy environment:
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(...Boars are...) native across much of Central Europe, the Mediterranean Region (including North Africa's Atlas Mountains) and much of Asia as far south as Indonesia, and has been introduced elsewhere. (From Wikipedia)
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The Arctic Wolf (Canis lupus arctos), also called Polar Wolf or White Wolf, is a mammal of the Canidae family, and a subspecies of the Gray Wolf. Arctic Wolves inhabit the Canadian Arctic and the northern parts of Greenland. (From Wikipedia)
About Wolves in Sylvan ... that's your call, but I don't think the beastly incarnation of the wolves in the current game fits the style of the harmony seaking Sylvan elves at all ... but that's just my oppinion.
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MattII
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posted April 24, 2009 10:27 AM |
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However, I think the concept of a walking lizardly dragon - call it dragon or something else, if that suites you better - risen out of the molten rock is very cool and suites the forge faction (be that Dwarves or Gnomes) perfectly well.
It wouldn't do so badly as an Inferno beast either though.
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Sorry, but Boars simply don't belong in a line-up in a snowy environment:
Okay, you've got me there, but then, this is a world with magic in it, realism tends to take a back seat, never mind detail.
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About Wolves in Sylvan ... that's your call, but I don't think the beastly incarnation of the wolves in the current game fits the style of the harmony seaking Sylvan elves at all ... but that's just my oppinion.
Saying wolves aren't harmonious is all very well and good, but you watch happens when wolves disappear, in no time your herbivore populations will be out of control, so wolves do play their own role in forest harmony. Besides, the elf archers are hunters so exactly how much harmony do they bring?
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posted April 25, 2009 12:17 AM |
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Since no one can agree which castle they belong in, maybe they just don't belong in a castle at all. What I mean is, maybe they could just be a castle-less unit, like elementals or mummies. They certainly don't deserve a whole castle to themselves, no one does except the Necropolis. Even the Haven has griffons and angels, niether of which are human.
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MattII
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posted April 25, 2009 12:41 AM |
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The hell with that, 68% voted for a separate faction, so a separate faction it is.
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posted April 25, 2009 12:51 AM |
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The hell with that, 68% voted for a separate faction, so a separate faction it is.
only 68%? thats barely more than 1/2. And it's only a selective audience of heroes community members. If you had all of Heroes community post, it would be closer to 45% at most
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MattII
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posted April 25, 2009 12:55 AM |
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68% is more than 2/3, and it doesn't matter that it's only a select group, they're the only ones who are prepared to vote. If you don't vote don't complain about the outcome.
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LordGodric
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posted April 25, 2009 07:52 PM |
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My actual line up:
Fortress/Keep
-Defender/shieldguy
-Wolf/Fenris/or something like
-Fighter (A dwarf dude that trow axes - very low ammo)
-Bear Rider (da one who kil da bear wif bare handz)
-Rune Priest 4ever
-Fire/thundr/frostbird
-Magma Dragon - Flyer unit!!!! a dragon in japanese or chinese style
Sylvan
-Pixie like h5
-Centaur no a half deamon! an ancient race!
-Elven Archer (not hunter cause da elves shall be vegetarian!)
-Druid like h5
-Unichorn like h5
-Treant most like h3, please...
-Green -> Gold dragon
Academy
you can put any thing here with the mages, gremlins and genies/djinns, but TAKE THEM BACK TO SNOW!!
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