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natalka
Supreme Hero
Bad-mannered
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posted June 13, 2009 03:27 PM |
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Elvin I totally agree with you. Strider put you two times in disadvantageous match-ups.
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feluniozbunio
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted June 13, 2009 04:16 PM |
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Its the rules what favour better players(they get to choose faction second 2 times if there is a tie) I thought that the point of this system is to get into favourable matchups, isnt it?
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Elit
Famous Hero
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posted June 13, 2009 06:16 PM |
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Strike sistem is most wrong way for play. If you want good deep strategy game both need to choice his race/hero. If you want more fun and lucky game both can go all random. Strike sistem is another way to affect luck and put oponent in bad match. I dont see how game like it can be fun?
Its my view for this sistem. I dont blame any one...Its "normal" better players to can "play" with "bad" rules for get advantage. Maybe next time you can accept "fair" tournament rules.
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Towerlord
Promising
Supreme Hero
Hero of Good, Slayer of Evil
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posted June 13, 2009 09:22 PM |
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Elvin, so many emotions in your posts, I can sense that you really want victory. You've been doing great so far, don't spoil that with a jinxer attitude  , and instead of fighting the system, embrace it and exploit it to the max.
Perhaps you're right, it is an elitist system, but that's the whole point of the tournament 
Anyway this is the most fair system of choosing race I've seen so far... choosing race/hero has so many flaws that I don't even want to begin mentioning them. Perhaps pure random would work also, but would require a lot more victories to produce satisfying results, like first to 15 wins or so.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 13, 2009 09:50 PM |
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It is not a matter of wanting victory badly, I came here without expectations to play my best and see what happens - nothing has changed. However being disadvantaged by an exploitable system(or doing the same myself) feels so very wrong and of course I will voice my objections. Random I would not mind but this is intentional. Instead of striking out factions we should be striking out specific matchups, or even better make a pool of the mostly fair ones and use a random generator or select responsibly.
You can see I am not the only one who finds this one wrong. I will play along for now and make this work but know this has taken all the fun from the game for no good reason. Win or lose I expect something fairer if I join again.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted June 13, 2009 10:50 PM |
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One time i choose hero first, second game my opponent choose first ... Very simple and effective to me ... All this mega super strike systems leads to abuses and ban of good heroes ... Logic like game is imbalanced but strike system bring balance is totally false ...
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Typhys
Adventuring Hero
poisonous eye
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posted June 14, 2009 12:15 PM |
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Well ; what I would consider unfair in this ; is the fact that one can actually choose his town second one more time than his opponent ; I consider this as a bigger advantage than being the second player striking out towns.
Would be less "abusive" to go random for the final match, in case the score is brought to 2 - 2. It would be more about luck, but can't say none is at disadvantage even before the game starts.
If you are too afraid that leads to totally imba matchups, then give both players one restart.
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feluniozbunio
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted June 14, 2009 01:23 PM |
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Quote:
Well ; what I would consider unfair in this ; is the fact that one can actually choose his town second one more time than his opponent ; I consider this as a bigger advantage than being the second player striking out towns.
Would be less "abusive" to go random for the final match, in case the score is brought to 2 - 2. It would be more about luck, but can't say none is at disadvantage even before the game starts.
If you are too afraid that leads to totally imba matchups, then give both players one restart.
What he said
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 14, 2009 01:46 PM |
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Either way samiekl's generator is so much simpler and efficient. You get 5 random matchups, you strike out one at a time and chances are the final one will be balanced. Alternatively the experts of the map could make a list of the safer matchups to choose from.
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Zilo
Promising
Adventuring Hero
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posted June 14, 2009 04:34 PM |
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Finished 3 Gorshak-games with Th3ory - 3-0 for me
Matchups were Gorshak v. Yrwanna, Klaus v. Gorshak, Gorshak v. Razzak.
Tnx for the games!
Replays: Th3ory-Zilo
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Zenithale
Promising
Famous Hero
Zen Mind
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posted June 14, 2009 04:39 PM |
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(I don't like strike-out too. Btw I prefer "all vs all", without qualifying groups.)
About PLAY-OFFS:
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In the quarter finals...They fight until 3 wins.
So Elvin-Strider fight is not finished (since 2-1).
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 14, 2009 05:15 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 17:20, 14 Jun 2009.
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Indeed but exams start this week so I'll be free again in July. It is possible I will have some time inbetween but I wouldn't count on it 
Good job for zilo, it is obvious that he knows his stuff. From picking the right arenas, getting the better matchups and even outperforming theory in the field of battle.
In the first he made sure to have both meat and lvl 20, cool move taking only unupgraded slayers  Yrwanna's spellpower was low in return so it was a doomed game. I think that charging the dragons sped up the process.
In the second having a horsey special he trained an outrageous amount of paladins, a few priests for buffing, picked the bare skill necessities and let haven do its work with 5 morale/3 luck. No need for fancy stuff, raw meat power. The puppet helped but again the match was decided.
And in the last a good old charge for the orcs, another arena with zero obstacles. There was no keeping those berserkers back and using vampirism made things easier for them. Apparently theory lacked puppet and no amount of mass curses could have prevented this, academy could not best them with might nor did they have a strong card.
Now look again at the three matchups and tell me who had the advantage of the strikeouts  Zilo was the better but he got any advantage he could as well.
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feluniozbunio
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted June 14, 2009 05:20 PM |
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What can i say.. Zilo planned better , played better , won with no questions asked. Sure being able to choose second 2 of 3 games helped but 2nd game wasnt exactly very different from other 2
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 14, 2009 05:24 PM |
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That is kinda the point, if you have a better understanding on it than your opponent you can get on top even if you pick first. Theory did not get a favourable match even when he picked second.
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feluniozbunio
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted June 14, 2009 05:37 PM |
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Im not trying to defend rules here coz i dont like them as well but...
This is turnament afterall , better player wins(most often), whether it is on the filed or outside it. Rules were known since tournament started and people should try to figure out best striking strategy before their games, not after. I played only 1 game so and but i took dwarfs on purpose, i was choosing first , i chose dwarfs coz they dont have bad matchups. Thez arent exactly strongest cstle but with gright spells/runes they are good. In the end i got what i wantnted, got lucky
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 14, 2009 05:48 PM |
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Irrelevant, I still plan to defeat strider in his own game but if we let this pass then we are mindless puppets. It is plain to see that it gives advantage to the old veterans so that they can own the others who made it to play offs easier. I respect their skill but they have set it up in their favour. Likewise if we determined who picks second in a game of chess the advantage would shift to kispagat over most others.
This is an exploit that will remain uncontested unless we do something about it. Think about it.
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feluniozbunio
Promising
Supreme Hero
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posted June 14, 2009 06:28 PM |
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Simple solution wouls be: loser picks second next game.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 14, 2009 06:33 PM |
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That already happens and it's far from simple.
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Th3orY
Tavern Dweller
Swamp worm
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posted June 14, 2009 06:44 PM |
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Edited by Th3orY at 18:48, 14 Jun 2009.
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I confirm Zilo's report. Nothing to say, I just played badly maybe 'cause a little lack of motivation and training.
Anyway, I thank TowerLord for organising this Tournament, where I enjoyed taking part in.
Good Luck for all who are still in, may the blood of your ennemies assuage your lust!
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted June 14, 2009 06:51 PM |
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That's the spirit On that note and to avoid misunderstandings I have talked with towerlord and he knows I'm thankful for what he's done. I just have my personal peeves
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