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Heroes Community > Tavern of the Rising Sun > Thread: Guess what superior species!!!
Thread: Guess what superior species!!!
Celfious
Celfious


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Legendary Hero
From earth
posted April 27, 2009 03:44 AM

Guess what superior species!!!

When you walk down a puddly street after a fresh rain from above, do you watch out for worms? Or do you smash them on purpose? Or somewhere inbetween, like ladedady hunkydory walking down the sidewalk not thinking about where you step at all?

Of course, chances are you eat things that have an instinct, to LIVE, and flee from danger, yet, humans are "smarter" and more "evoloved" among other things which could make us think we are "above" anything within this world. So, you create conveyer belt styles of shooting animals through the skull with bolts, or electrocuting them, you clip the beaks of young chickens, with no pain killers of any sort I might add, you brand your animals, you cut into pigs ears, you choke animals to death for leather, you skin animals alive sometimes, the list, is enormous, you distreat the world like its YOURS, you think you are perfectly excused to treat what is here with no respect for life!!!

God sayeth, in such books, that man (and woman) are given dominion over the earth, and everything in it, And look how you treat it! WTF wrong with you!

And you think your superior?? You actualy think you are "greater" than animals? Animals do what is nessessary in order to survive. They work with what they have, which is in many areas different from what humans have. They cannot farm, generaly (although I believe some kind of animal knows something of seeds = plants in the future) It is greater to do what is nessesary, than to do what is accepted by the rest of your kind.

YOUR FOLLOWERS!!!

You disreguard animals will to stray from pain, by trapping them with hooks, nets, traps, for money, for a quizene, for slave labor..

Humans disgust me!

ARRRRGGGGG!!!!
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TheDeath
TheDeath


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posted April 27, 2009 03:50 AM

Misanthropy

Animals are innocent because they cannot reason. Well, not like us anyway. We are not innocent because we have responsibilities and we choose to torture/slaughter them, that's our choice and we are fully responsible for it.
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Elvin
Elvin


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posted April 27, 2009 04:17 AM

A matter of morality or rather lack thereof. People are easy to conform to values passed from their forefathers or peers, sometimes we are no more than a herd following what the others are doing just look at hooligans. As a result we numb ourselves to certain possibilities or sensitivities we should normally have. Plus we are selfish and often pursue our personal interests than a common goal.

Very often it's not deliberate, we have just been taught subconsciously that it's ok, everybody does it. There are of course those selfish bastards that would sell their mother in the blink of an eye but many that are just unaware, in slumber. Just like we learn we can unlearn, we can be taught right from wrong though it's usually a subjective issue. In an age where rolemodels are gone or twisted people are looking for guidance so the best you can do is live or even better inspire by example. Nobody is perfect but there are little things that can leave a lasting impression, make people realize things.

Of course I have no illusions, some are and will continue to be blind, maybe because they are insensitive jerks, maybe because they do not wish to listen, maybe because they are close-minded. There is only so much you can do about those, it takes a great deal of energy and time. And I value my time.

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mvassilev
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posted April 27, 2009 04:40 AM

Celfious:
I have written on this subject previously. Here:
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what, exactly, is the purpose of rights? It is to protect individuals from harm brought upon by other individuals. But why would one do such a thing? Why would one harm other individuals? Well, obviously people, like all living things, naturally act in their own self-interest (discouraged word, but not banned). Unfortunately, in doing so, they may harm others. Without restrictions, instead of pursuing their own aims, people would have to worry about protecting themselves and their property all the time. This would actually impede general self-interest. So society (which is composed of individuals) agreed to limit each other. Though in the short run this was acting against people's self-interest, in the long run it was in favor of it.

Now, the question arises, who is included in "society"? Well, obviously society creates rights for individuals that are part of it, to protect each other from runaway selfishness. But who is protected? Who should be included?

The first question that the original "core" society should ask itself is, "Would society benefit from giving these [name of group] rights?" In the case of black people and women, the answer is obviously "yes", for the same reason that rights were created in the first place; that is, if people keep being infringed upon, they can't act in their full maximum capacity, which not only harms them but also everybody else. That is, it makes no sense to keep people forcibly enslaved and denied opportunities simply on basis of their skin color when both sides would certainly benefit from giving them rights. That is, people who work without being forced to do so work better, and don't look for attempts to work as little as possible. When people are paid according to what and how they produce, that will of course be more efficient than slavery.

If the answer to this first question is "yes", then society should give these beings rights, and that's that. But if the answer to the first question is "no", that does not necessarily mean that it shouldn't. Take, for example, TheDeath's favorite analogy: the aliens on Mars are sentinent, but aren't interested in talking to or dealing with humans. Why, then, would it not be all right to force this group into slavery? Simple - because they are sentinent. Society is not agile or shapable. Society can only give general rules - it can't be very specific. If it tries, it seriously risks endangering a group that it is trying to protect, or protecting a group it doesn't want to protect. In this case, if society said, "Enslaving humans is bad, but enslaving these aliens is OK.", some people would ask, "Hey, these aliens are sentinent, just like us. If we can enslave them, why can't we enslave humans?" And they might take action on this line of thought. That is clearly undesirable. Thus, these aliens should also have rights.

But what about animals? Here we run into a problem. First, we can't make animals respect our rights. Thus, any kind of social contract with them would be laughably one-sided. Let's say that a hunter is hunting wildebeest in the savanna, and he runs into a lion. He says, "You know what, I could kill you, and you could kill me. So let's just leave each other alone." The lion replies, "Rawr, no.", and eats the hunter. Not much of a contract, is it? Second, would we, the "core" society, gain anything from giving animals rights? No, except for maybe a few people who would get an emotional benefit. Third, if we use animals, can anyone confuse themselves and think that it's also okay to use humans like that? No, probably not.

Thus, to extend rights to someone, the group of beings has to be able to keep the contract, and also it has to be useful to original group and/or this being could be confused with humans.

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DagothGares
DagothGares


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No gods or kings
posted April 27, 2009 07:33 AM
Edited by DagothGares at 07:34, 27 Apr 2009.

Meh
It is arrogant
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