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posted May 11, 2009 08:22 PM |
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I meant that if people were living on Mars since the beginning of time. Because it would take a HUGE time for today's humans to adapt and turn into Protoss, lol. 
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posted May 11, 2009 08:43 PM |
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I meant that if people were living on Mars since the beginning of time. Because it would take a HUGE time for today's humans to adapt and turn into Protoss, lol.
"huge" is relative. In cosmic proportions it would be the blink of an eye
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posted May 11, 2009 09:35 PM |
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But if they DO live in vacuum on Mars and don't need to breathe or eat food, then most definitely, they will probably look like Protoss. The resemblance is striking: skinny, weird skin color, no mouth, no ear... just the eyes are a little small that's all
Vacuum cleaners?
Protoss looks weird for me,I don't want to happen that to the humans.And living on Mars it's a part of evolution? I just wanna know what to do
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posted May 11, 2009 09:53 PM |
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Vacuum cleaners?
Vacuum means void of air or any other substance. Well perfect vacuum is hard to get. And it has nothing to do with how vacuum cleaners work, not sure why they are named that way
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Protoss looks weird for me
Sure it does, because humans, an Earth species, living on Mars, is weird too. I'm not sarcastic.
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posted May 12, 2009 12:11 PM |
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Vacuum cleaners?
Vacuum means void of air or any other substance. Well perfect vacuum is hard to get. And it has nothing to do with how vacuum cleaners work, not sure why they are named that way
Well, in Russia this things are called 'dust suckers'. (really)
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Protoss looks weird for me
Sure it does, because humans, an Earth species, living on Mars, is weird too. I'm not sarcastic.
Indeed it is for us who never lived on Mars.
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posted May 12, 2009 02:18 PM |
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Vacuum means void of air or any other substance. Well perfect vacuum is hard to get. And it has nothing to do with how vacuum cleaners work, not sure why they are named that way
I know that,seriously,but was just a joke that with the vacuum cleaners 
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Sure it does, because humans, an Earth species, living on Mars, is weird too. I'm not sarcastic.
Luckly it won't happen too fast,just better until we die.Living on Mars would be intresting at the first,but it's WEIRD,simply weird.
Luckly,I will be dead that time to see Protoss people
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posted May 13, 2009 07:25 PM |
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Lol its called "Dammsugare" or "Dust Sucker" in swedish too
Not "Vacuum Cleaner" eller "Vakuumstädare"
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posted May 13, 2009 11:29 PM |
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But if they DO live in vacuum on Mars and don't need to breathe or eat food, then most definitely, they will probably look like Protoss. The resemblance is striking: skinny, weird skin color, no mouth, no ear... just the eyes are a little small that's all. lol
but the problem is that we control that enviroment... our technological adaptation exceeds our genetic adaptation and the latter can't work.
in order to live in a vacuum our bodies must either adapt to it or we would create an enviromant to live in. the latter would be chosen as evolution can take thousands of years.
Living there would be harmful to their health for a normal human. as long as we can control our enviroment nothing would change. for the humans to adapt their envroment would have to kill those who cannot live in those conditions before they can procreate.
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posted May 14, 2009 01:33 AM |
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You can't control gravity. Without proper gravity, air will be much less dense. Atmosphere too. In time it might break but people won't bother because they will slowly adapt.
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posted May 14, 2009 01:45 AM |
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I already said there's no such thing as natural selection with medicine. Or at least as Corribus put it better, it's insignificant and countered.
I know, I provided a counter argument. You see how this works?
Homosexuality isn't really a mutation, by the way. To say it in a really simple way (there's no other way for me to say it, really): It has to do with X and Y-chromosomes. Suffice it to say that male homosexuals are male bodies with a female mind (well, no, it's predominantly male, since you developped as a male, but parts of it are female, hence the attraction to men) and a female homosexual is a female body with a more masculine mind (again, it's predominantly female, otherwise the body would have developped as a male, but certain parts of it are masculin, hence the attraction to women)
Interestingly enough, Both male and female homosexuals have, well how to put this in an elegant way? Well, they like sex like men do (which isn't to say that women don't like it either, but for women it has a slightly more emotional meaning as opposed to the joyride that men can experience with about anyone.)
Alright, i signalled for the PC people to brutally slaughter me, now
You'll never take me alive, you dirty liberals!
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posted May 14, 2009 01:51 AM |
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If some change is not a mutation, then what is it?
Everything "hard-wired" comes from DNA so, what "other" thing is there to it?
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posted May 14, 2009 01:58 AM |
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Well, I suck at giving right words at this, so just take my layman terms for this, okay?
I think a mutation is a random addition or subtraction to the model you started with, in this case, Homo Sapiens Sapiens. No, an extra thumb or wings or fur or an extra joint or no wisdom teeth all fall into this category, but I don't think this is the case for homosexuality.
My knowledge about it extends to a big book about it that i read four years ago, so don't take my word for it
I think that the human model is unaltered with homosexuality. I think the genders of the models get a bit mixed up, but it doesn't go anywhere. It's a biological slip-up, sort of speak. It's no alteration and mutation means alteration, so...
Off course, you could say that it's mutation in the brain and then they probably have a case where I'm out of here, since I wouldn't know anything precisely about that, but it would still be an evolutionary "cul-de-sac".
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posted May 14, 2009 01:59 AM |
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Mutation is supposed to be a random thing, yes.
And homosexuals don't give birth by natural means. Thus any homosexual born naturally is likely to have been born by heterosexual couples, which means, that it WAS a mutation.
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posted May 14, 2009 02:03 AM |
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But if it's an alteration of the brain can it really be called a physical mutation?
Are overly smart people (who's brains are most probably wired differently than the average joe) mutations then as well? Or people with a retardation?
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posted May 14, 2009 02:09 AM |
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But if it's an alteration of the brain can it really be called a physical mutation?
First of all I'm not sure homosexuality is just a change in the brain, because frankly speaking, if that were the case, it would be easy to suppress it and be "normal". And secondly, the brain itself is stored in DNA -- not the actual arrangement or DATA, but the structure of it, yes. Some parts of the brain are read-only, that is, hard-wired, you can't change them in your lifetime (unless you deliberately modify them through surgery or damage or something).
Think of DNA storing the "structure of a hard-disk" or "flash memory", but not the actual DATA in it.
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Are overly smart people (who's brains are most probably wired differently than the average joe) mutations then as well?
Yes. But that is only the structure, not how it is arranged, which constitutes his own conscious learning process (i.e 'writable' not 'hard-wired').
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Or people with a retardation?
Obviously. Especially if they fall under a classified disease.
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First of all I'm not sure homosexuality is just a change in the brain, because frankly speaking, if that were the case, it would be easy to suppress it and be "normal".
I'm pretty sure it is. Just from a purely deromantisized standing point: What controls your physical desire? It's your brain, right? what else would be a factor in this proces? Yeah, sure it's hormones, but those things are messengers of the brains anyway, the lousy deadbeats.
you think homosexuals have an addition to the body that makes them like their own gender?
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it would be easy to suppress it
Your brain? We haven't reached the point where people are mind over matter, yet, I think... Actually far from it...
Do you think homosexuality is cultural? Well, it happens in the animal kingdom. What does that mean? If animals do it, then it can't be cultural, because animals don't have code or culture, only the instinct to survive.
Now, if it's cultural, then why are there people who killed themselves over this matter?
Anyway, i have my doubts on the matter, but that's not what this was about, sorry to deviate from the route. It's just hard to follow what you say sometimes (I know too little about computers, I'm a medieval manly man who spends his time doing other things, like lifting weights!)
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posted May 14, 2009 02:27 AM |
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What controls your physical desire? It's your brain, right? what else would be a factor in this proces? Yeah, sure it's hormones, but those things are messengers of the brains anyway, the lousy deadbeats.
Actually no. The brain only signals "pleasure" because of a substance released called dopamine. Drugs have similar effects btw, and they obviously don't come "from the brain" (I mean drugs really don't do they? ). Similar effect is for desire.
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you think homosexuals have an addition to the body that makes them like their own gender?
A modification, not an addition.
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Do you think homosexuality is cultural? Well, it happens in the animal kingdom. What does that mean? If animals do it, then it can't be cultural, because animals don't have code or culture, only the instinct to survive.
Mutations don't happen only to humans.
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Now, if it's cultural, then why are there people who killed themselves over this matter?
Anyway, i have my doubts on the matter, but that's not what this was about, sorry to deviate from the route. It's just hard to follow what you say sometimes (I know too little about computers, I'm a medieval manly man who spends his time doing other things, like lifting weights!)
No problem  , as for the computer analogy, actually it was meant to be a memory analogy.
The idea is that, a fresh hard disk has the same atoms, and structure, and weight and all that. Data on it is simply a rearrangement of this. So is the DNA that represents the structure of your brain and neurons, but the data (learning process) rearranges these (i.e "writes" to it).
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posted May 14, 2009 07:55 AM |
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The big question is...
IS XEROXERDUX A MUTATION?
Probably
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posted May 14, 2009 08:21 AM |
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Well, seeing as how DC started this thread and it's related to genetics...here comes an unbearably long post on the nature of mutations and evolution (mainly evolution though). Please be seated and do try not to fall asleep. 
Mutations can arise from many sources. To keep this simple, let's just mention the basic sources:
1) Mutations from DNA errors during cell division (addition, deletion, etc.)
2) Mutagenic substances (these can cause cancer and mutations)
3) Radiation (same deal, can cause cancer and mutations)
I myself have a curved toe. I inherited that from my mother's side of the family. Such a mutation is neither detrimental nor beneficial because it does not affect my ability to function and survive.
In the hot desert, a mutation that could allow you to store more water in your body (hypothetical example) would be beneficial, but in the northern parts of the planet, where it's colder, that same mutation could be detrimental (accumulation of liquids in your body could be a negative side-effect, since you don't have to sweat as much to cool down).
As Corribus said, another part of evolution is natural selection and, in my previous example, your water-storing ability would give you an advantage to survive, meaning your chances of passing on your genes (assuming of course that you can) go up. This has the net result of increasing the gene frequency for characteristics that benefit the species involved. Natural selection works inversely for negative characteristics (that is, it reduces the frequency for those characteristics, although completely removing them from the gene pool would most likely involve extinction of the species).
However, there is a third factor that affects evolution and that is migration.
Migration causes gene flow between two communities of the same species.
For example, let's say you have a colony of white ants (hypothetical example; just don't ask ) and a colony of red ants. The white ants decide to leave their anthill and go mingle with the red ants. Upon reaching the other anthill and socializing, some of them decide to stay and they reproduce with the red ants. Later on, we see the birth of the world's first pink ants (cookie to whoever figures out what organism exhibits this coloration; hint: it's a plant; hint2: This is also an example of incomplete dominance). So, in a sense, migration allowed characteristics to pass between members of different communities (but the same species).
According to the Darwinian theory of evolution, natural selection >>> all other factors, when it comes to determining the process of evolution.
So, perhaps Mamga is right to say that we don't evolve.
I hope you enjoyed this post. If you didn't, well I hope you had a nice little nap.
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posted May 15, 2009 12:09 AM |
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well evolution at its most simple is genetic change from one generation to the next and we do evolve in that sense but rather no meaningful evolutions occur.adaptation won't occur. and on a cellular level we may adapt. however the main point is that in todays society we have a simple equation to see if natural selection works.
If Average Person's Age > 20, Minimal natural selection.
A person only need live long enough to reproduce to pass on genes(you still need to reproduce). In today's world since most people can live long enough to reproduce, most genes that may disadvantage us won't disappear and new traits that advantage won't become dominant.
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