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Thread: What is a religion and what is not. This thread is 11 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 · «PREV
bixie
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posted June 01, 2009 01:21 PM

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I am not anti-christian, I support a man with a distraction as much as the next. what I am is a man who hates people who insist that their distraction is better than anyone elses and seeks to make his point clear through intolerance, force and ignorance (you fall under the first one, by the way)


YOU ARE A LIAR. I don't force my beliefs on anyone and I certainly hate no one and don't insist that everyone do things my way. You are the intollerant, hateful, and ignorant one.



no, I am not a liar.

effectively shot yourself in the foot there.

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yes, jesus taught it, but look at Bible camps, Christian organisations with christian teachers and christian ideals, and yet claim that witches, like harry potter, should be killed.


Jesus defines who is a Christian, not you. Anyone can claim to be a Christian. They are not actually Christians unless they are following the gospel of Christ.

Now you claim that Christians are saying witches should be killed is another false statement.



[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSwZJ55g80Q]you haven't watched jesus camp lately[/url]

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to define murder, you first need to define what is human. What do you think as human? in my view, it's someone who can walk and talk and think about more than when it's next meal is.


So you are saying that a person in a coma is not human and a person with alzheimer's is not human, a person in a wheelchair is not human, a mute person is not human, ect, ect?



that was a question to you, my friend.

if they could fulfill 1 of those criteria, then they are human, and thus we are all committing cannibalism.

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Religion is an opiate of the masses


What an ignorant statement.

An opiate disolves one's self control and opens one up to being controlled by others. That is a perfect description of Socialism/Marxism/Communism. The state knows all. The state tells you want to do for your own good. The state will take care of you. The state deserves all of your loyalty. The state is god.

However, Christ taught that our ultimate alliegence belongs to him. Not to an organization or mere human ruler. We are to obey the state only when the dictates of the state do not conflict with the commands of God.

Jesus taught us to reject man made opiates and controls and to surrender to God's will which brings freedom and light. Marxism/Socialism/Communism/Atheism brings darkness and enslavement.

So saying that Marxism/Socialism/Communism/Atheism is an opiate of the people is a far more accurate statement.

Christianity teaches that our rights come from God, not from the state. That makes Christianity very "dangerous" to those godless "isms" that teach the state is all and that all must bow to the state. This is why those who follow those "isms" continually bash and try to discredit Christianity.

Supremecist thoughts come easily to the "ism" religions who are convinced everyone else is walking around in a drug induced stupor, not realizing their own brain has bee fried on the "ism" opiates.


no, it is ignorant to dismiss any statement.

Jesus's was a great leader, no denying that, but he was only as great as say, Lenin, Trotsky, Martin luther king, Alexander the great, Attaturk or Richard the Lionheart. Their edicts and creeds are quoted and twisted to change the world for the needs of a few. The more you realize that 50% of the worlds wealth is controlled by about 5 people, the more you realize that Marx was right, to a certain degree.

and as I said (three times now,) whose to say we can't enjoy the opiate whilst it lasts. I am by no means saying that religion is 100% bad, there is alot of good that the religion does. if we didn't have the church of england, we wouldn't have bake-sales every summer. If we didn't have Islam, we wouldn't have modern numeracy and a decent mapping of the heavens. Religion is a opiate, some interpret it as a good thing, some as a bad, its a personal interpretation.

surrendering yourself completely to god is very much like the 1950's western interpretation of communism, where the people surrender themselves to an overlord with little personal control over their lives.

btw, I am not atheist, I am polytheist.
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posted June 01, 2009 03:11 PM

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I am not anti-christian, I support a man with a distraction as much as the next. what I am is a man who hates people who insist that their distraction is better than anyone elses and seeks to make his point clear through intolerance, force and ignorance (you fall under the first one, by the way)


YOU ARE A LIAR. I don't force my beliefs on anyone and I certainly hate no one and don't insist that everyone do things my way. You are the intollerant, hateful, and ignorant one.



no, I am not a liar.

effectively shot yourself in the foot there.



How exactly? You lied about me in personal attacks.

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSwZJ55g80Q]you haven't watched jesus camp lately[/url]


I see once again you lied. The woman did not say witches should be put to death and NO Christians denomination advocates putting witches to death.

She said in the OLD COVENANT witches were put to death and that is true. But the Christian church is not Old Covenant Israel. Christ never authorized his church to punish any sin or put anyone to death.

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that was a question to you, my friend.


Well, it sure looks like a statment you make about who is human that requires several conditions to be met. "What do you think as human? in my view, it's someone who can walk and talk and think about more than when it's next meal is." That definition would exlude a lare number of human beings, as I pointed out.

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if they could fulfill 1 of those criteria, then they are human, and thus we are all committing cannibalism.


You may be a canibal, but I am not.

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Jesus's was a great leader, no denying that, but he was only as great as say, Lenin, Trotsky, Martin luther king, Alexander the great, Attaturk or Richard the Lionheart.


Lol! I don't acknowledge any communists as being great leaders. And certainly none was on par with Christ.

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I said (three times now,) whose to say we can't enjoy the opiate whilst it lasts


Enjoy your man-made opiate of atheism/socialism/marxism/communism and I'll enjoy the truth of Christ.


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posted June 01, 2009 03:38 PM

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSwZJ55g80Q]you haven't watched jesus camp lately[/url]


I see once again you lied. The woman did not say witches should be put to death and NO Christians denomination advocates putting witches to death.

She said in the OLD COVENANT witches were put to death and that is true. But the Christian church is not Old Covenant Israel. Christ never authorized his church to punish any sin or put anyone to death.



tell that to all the witches who were tried under James I of england, and then those who were tried at Salem.

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if they could fulfill 1 of those criteria, then they are human, and thus we are all committing cannibalism.


You may be a canibal, but I am not.



I am of the opinion that all living things are equal, thus we are all humans. that doesn't stop me eating them, however.

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Jesus's was a great leader, no denying that, but he was only as great as say, Lenin, Trotsky, Martin luther king, Alexander the great, Attaturk or Richard the Lionheart.


Lol! I don't acknowledge any communists as being great leaders. And certainly none was on par with Christ.



then I pity you, Lenin and Trotsky are fine leaders and speakers, Trotsky especially (such a shame he had to go the same way as Eddie from RHPS)

Thats what I love about haters of any philosophy, they continue to deny the good its done us. under Commmunism, Russia went from being a backwards country into a superpower within 10 years, something I doubt any other country has done since.

Think about what Christ relied on.
He had a message
and he had charisma
think of who else had that: I garuntee that you could think of three in the western world and one from the USSR. (the latter you wouldn't want to, being a commie-hater).

To call a man with a message and charisma the son of god is a little like calling a suped up volvo the best invention ever (including sliced bread). Hitler had a message and charisma, and more than 4 people remembered what he said, but that doesn't mean he was the son of god.

Christ had a good message of tolerance and love, and we would do well to listen to it. to accept the message as absolute truth, however, isn't the wisest of moves (if we did, we wouldn't be having this conversation, and that wouldn't be fun!)

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I said (three times now,) whose to say we can't enjoy the opiate whilst it lasts


Enjoy your man-made opiate of atheism/socialism/marxism/communism and I'll enjoy the truth of Christ.



Drugs do that to people, make them believe stuff is true when it isn't necessarily.

I am off the belief that there is no one truth, that each person has their own truth, and to claim your own truth as the one truth is being foolish.

btw, I don't support Marx, I merely think that he was right in some circles.
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posted June 01, 2009 03:59 PM

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tell that to all the witches who were tried under James I of england, and then those who were tried at Salem.


You said that Christians say to kill witches and presented the video as proof. The video does not back up your claim.

No Christian denomination says to kill witches. As I said, the nation of Israel was authorized to kill witches in Israel but the church is not authroized to kill anyone or to punish sin in any way. All the church is allowed to do is to disfellowship sinning members.

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Thats what I love about haters of any philosophy, they continue to deny the good its done us. under Commmunism, Russia went from being a backwards country into a superpower within 10 years, something I doubt any other country has done since.


With millions of Russians dead and the rest under the iron boot of the communists. Chruches controlled but the state or forced to go underground. No, exchanging freedom for one's country becoming a superpower is not a good trade.

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To call a man with a message and charisma the son of god is a little like calling a suped up volvo the best invention ever (including sliced bread).


Christ is God in flesh. Charisma had nothing to do with it.

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I am off the belief that there is no one truth, that each person has their own truth, and to claim your own truth as the one truth is being foolish.


So there are many answer to the question of "what is 2 + 3?"

2 + 3 = 5 no matter if you think it is 5 or 8,326,458.

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posted June 01, 2009 04:24 PM

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So I would say it is atheists who share your anti-Christian views who are toe-rags.


Its anti-religious in this case you tweet. Do not confuse agendas, its a bad habit.



Tweet? What are you, a coo-coo bird?


Lol, I just had to underline that... ROFLMAO. Peanut!
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posted June 01, 2009 04:33 PM
Edited by bixie at 16:37, 01 Jun 2009.

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tell that to all the witches who were tried under James I of england, and then those who were tried at Salem.


You said that Christians say to kill witches and presented the video as proof. The video does not back up your claim.

No Christian denomination says to kill witches. As I said, the nation of Israel was authorized to kill witches in Israel but the church is not authroized to kill anyone or to punish sin in any way. All the church is allowed to do is to disfellowship sinning members.



IS, that important word, IS. If you talk about the church currently, then I concurr, but think about it's previous works, the church has been one of the cruelest societies known. the Inquisition, the Witch-hunts, the Crusades (that you've strangly neglected), all these are part of what the Church, in the name of God and Jesus christ, did to others who refused to accept their doctrine

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Thats what I love about haters of any philosophy, they continue to deny the good its done us. under Commmunism, Russia went from being a backwards country into a superpower within 10 years, something I doubt any other country has done since.


With millions of Russians dead and the rest under the iron boot of the communists. Chruches controlled but the state or forced to go underground. No, exchanging freedom for one's country becoming a superpower is not a good trade.



again, again, It comes back to the church with you, my friend. If the Church was doing badly, then it was a dark and evil time or country.

You need to remember that at this time, Russia was at an economic war, and sacrifices needed to be made. What Stalin did was both amazing and monstrous, dependent on your view.

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To call a man with a message and charisma the son of god is a little like calling a suped up volvo the best invention ever (including sliced bread).


Christ is God in flesh. Charisma had nothing to do with it.



it has everything to do with it, my friend.

Charisma is the art of believibility, the art of appearing genuine. Jesus had a message and charisma, and his followers (Ie those who would want to spread his message and promote his cause) painted him as the son of god.

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I am off the belief that there is no one truth, that each person has their own truth, and to claim your own truth as the one truth is being foolish.


So there are many answer to the question of "what is 2 + 3?"

2 + 3 = 5 no matter if you think it is 5 or 8,326,458.


Ah, mathmatical problems, the infinite bane of philosophical discussions.

What is 5, however? what does it mean to you, personally? whilst their may be a collective belief that 2+3=5, what does those numbers mean to you? that is the important question.

besides, I think we have moved far beyond off topic. Lets get back.

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posted June 01, 2009 04:36 PM

bixie, what Stalin did was monstrous. No two ways about it.
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posted June 01, 2009 04:45 PM

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bixie, what Stalin did was monstrous. No two ways about it.


and I am not denying that, what he did to the russian people was monstrous.

but think about what he did to the country. Russia was a backward country before then, he turned it into an industrial supergaint.

"Victory at any cost" a phrase bandered round too many countries at war.

and Stalin felt that he was at war with the capitalist countries. a deeply paranoia man, he was convince that everyone was against him, and he needed to eliminate anyone whom he felt was a threat, using the NKVD, the Purges and the gulags. He was a monster, but to get inside the mind of a monster is to understand why he did it. understanding why he did it is crucial.

that does not make what he did acceptable.
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posted June 01, 2009 04:46 PM

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Russia was a backward country before then, he turned it into an industrial supergaint.
At what cost? At the cost of millions of lives and lost potential.
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posted June 01, 2009 04:51 PM

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Russia was a backward country before then, he turned it into an industrial supergaint.
At what cost? At the cost of millions of lives and lost potential.


I never said that what he did was acceptable. the scale at what he did is impressive, but the cost is too great. like building a city entirely on bones, which the russians did.
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posted June 01, 2009 04:51 PM

I only know what little background is necessary to read animal farm, but maybe Trotsky would've done a better job than Stalin? Like, you know... A lot?
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posted June 01, 2009 04:57 PM

Nope. Trotsky would have been just as bad, if not worse.
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posted June 01, 2009 04:58 PM
Edited by bixie at 18:25, 01 Jun 2009.

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I only know what little background is necessary to read animal farm, but maybe Trotsky would've done a better job than Stalin? Like, you know... A lot?


possibly.

the big worry about trotsky, ironically, that he would become the dictator, as he was already commissar for War. He actually supported Lenins idea of having a group running russia rather than a single person. however, Stalin outmanovuered him politically and won all the support, forcing Trotsky to flee.

Snowball, to my mind, doesn't represent Trotsky so much as lenin's idea of group leadership and democratic centralism, whilst Napoleon represents a dictatorship.

we are now off topic and need to return post haste.
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Nah. Communism and atheism go hand in hand. Look at all the atheist tyrants who imposed atheism in their communist countries.


And look all those Christian regimes where the exact same thing happened?


So don't be atheist and christian!
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