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posted August 07, 2014 10:23 PM |
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R.I.P. Sci-fi genre. Hope Episode VII of Star Wars will revive you.
It's Disney, don't get your hopes too high 
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posted August 07, 2014 10:28 PM |
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oh come on... that evil megacorporation also owns marvel, and look how it's turning out for their superhero crap they belch out every few months.
take the latest film they vomited out. So far I've heard only praises for Guardians of the Galaxy.
taking back to Star Wars, I did once hear that Lucas actually planned to make 9 movies in total, and that he had scripts for all of them.
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posted August 07, 2014 10:34 PM |
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Yes yes, but another fail at SW saga would be catastrofic 
At this point I fear for the worst
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posted August 07, 2014 10:36 PM |
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I blame hayden christensen for that.
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posted August 07, 2014 11:02 PM |
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I agree, as I'm in my Sci-fi mood now I watched all 6 movies, 2nd (5th) was the most annoying, he was a snow to start with, and continued being so throughout the movie just a common street brat whining if he doesn't have a teat to suckle on.
He was better in the third Ep, but I doubt that it's cause of an improvement in his acting, more to do with the fact that his character just dissolves into a complete dick.
Speaking of which, I need help to pick out some movies that have some level of space-faring in them.
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posted August 08, 2014 12:09 AM |
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The new Stars Wars movies should be great. The two most likely pitfalls to sour it will be:
1) Disney pulls a Pirates of the Caribbean 3 and the content of the movie can be summarized as "crowded".
2) Disney turns it into a trip down memory lane. Special music queues everytime a past character makes an appearance and the camera pointlessly focuses on them 4 different times just in case any hypoxic mouth-breathers in the audience didn't pick up on the fact after the first 3 times that it's Luke Skywalker, and I sit there disappointingly wondering when the movie is going to get around to becoming its own animal instead of a poetic wasteland.
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posted August 08, 2014 01:59 AM |
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3) jar-jar makes a comeback.
but i mostly think 2) will happen, for sure. the poetic part, i mean. i really don't see how they are going to add back the old characters, and NOT **** everything up. they didn't do well with the NEW ones, ffs. 
also, is it just me, or were the old movies MUCH more light-hearted in nature, with the back-and-forth between the good guys creating better personalities with each character? it just seems like the seriousness came from the bad guys, and dealing with them. the new movies, mostly everyone is serious. dull dull dull.
maybe they need to make a "spaceballs 2"...
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posted August 08, 2014 07:21 AM |
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The characters of the original Star Wars movies synthesized brilliantly with one another i.e. Han solo and Princess Lea arguing, Luke Skywalker under Old Ben's tutelage, C3PO being obnoxious throughout the movie, which independently wouldn't have been that great, but it became great when you combined it with Han Solo's reactions to him. The characters were fun and organic and real. The flow of the movies had a spaghetti movie softness & humor to them, and yet just as quickly transitioned into intensely suspenseful encounters, particularly with Luke and Vader. It was just an incredibly well-done trilogy that happened by accident. Things clicked so well. I think it's going to be the #1 most memorable work of entertainment of the 20th century.
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posted August 08, 2014 07:52 AM |
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x2. i'm not sure about the "most memorable work of entertainment of the 20th century" part, though. there are other solo movies that could fit that bill.
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In addition to the lack of chemistry between the characters:
1- It was the time when CGI was reaching a whole new level and people got blindsided by it. They forgot the first rule: A movie is, priorly, built upon a good script. if the writing sucks, no amount of special effects or CGI show-off can save it. Think of the light saber duels of the original trilogy, the agility is not beyond what we consider human capacity but because of that, because of the slowness, it comes with great and intense dialogue between Vader/Obi Wan or Vader/Luke. The lines are simple but strong. Then we have that replaced with circus-freak moves and millions of things blazing all over the place, because now, they have the technology to be able to do that!
2- The Saga inevitably becomes about the story of Anakin and centralizes on him with complete focus. But he is not exactly a protagonist or an antagonist. Under normal circumstances, I would consider that a good thing, I like when things are not binary in terms of good and evil. But this is the SW universe and all this comes at the expense of the greatest villain ever: Darth Vader. The Emperor can not fill his shoes, (they don't even try that anyway).
3- The original trilogy is very clear about the fact that it is fantasy, not sci-fi. The force is a spiritual entity, unexplainable by logic. The inspiration from Far-Eastern religions is very obvious. In the prequels, out of nowhere, we are introduced with midi-chlorians, they are micro-organisms in our blood and some people have higher levels of them. So, now, the spiritual teachings of the Force about self-awareness and connecting to the universe turns into this Nazi-like ideology about Aryan blood. To be fair, the first trilogy open the gates to that when, in the Return of the Jedi, we learn there is one more person who has the force in her like Luke, and of course, it turns out, it is Lea, the same bloodline. Yet, this does not still distort the fantasy-based universe, since in most legends, bloodline also matters. (Naturally, since people genuinely believed aristocrats were more noble because of their bloodline).
4- We grew up.
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posted August 08, 2014 01:28 PM |
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artu said:
1- It was the time when CGI was reaching a whole new level and people got blindsided by it. They forgot the first rule: A movie is, priorly, built upon a good script. if the writing sucks, no amount of special effects or CGI show-off can save it. Think of the light saber duels of the original trilogy, the agility is not beyond what we consider human capacity but because of that, because of the slowness, it comes with great and intense dialogue between Vader/Obi Wan or Vader/Luke. The lines are simple but strong. Then we have that replaced with circus-freak moves and millions of things blazing all over the place, because now, they have the technology to be able to do that!
This a very good point. Just think on that Yoda constantly jumping with his lightsaber...he was so cool in the first movies, using only the force
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4- We grew up.
To a certain degree it's true, but that doesn't justify some decisions (like Jar Jar, or Anakin the spoiled brat in ep 2)
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posted August 08, 2014 06:19 PM |
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yeah, i have to say that more special effects doesn't mean jack ****, when the story falls flat, or the characters are one-dimensional. hollywood seems to think it's ok that QUALITY moviegoers have to deal with more and more garbage, just for special effects' sake. sure, it's a talent, but they need to balance those talents, to create a good movie. there's only so much special effects a movie needs; as an audience cannot relate to effects. the kind of person who prefers effects over acting is a straight dumbass, if you ask me. kinda like someone who likes something because it's SHINY.
i'll admit though, i think every one of us has just a little of that "oooh, shiny" in us. but it is our responsibility, NAY, our DUTY to suppress it. 
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posted August 08, 2014 06:57 PM |
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There are movies with substance and there are movies with style. Sometimes the latter are so cool that I can overlook the lack of substance 
I have to agree though, the old star wars formula worked a lot better. I have not watched the movies more than a few times and far between at that so I never tried to make a direct comparison but I could tell that something was missing from the new ones. Also, while Anakin had his good sides, it was hard to picture him as Darth Vader. He did not command respect or fear. He would have been better off playing another character entirely because let's face it, it's hard to live up to Darth Vader's dark grandieur. And all those convoluted politics did the new episodes no favours.
That said.. I really enjoyed the new lightsaber battles. THAT, was a good addition. Watching the old duel between Obi Wan and Darth Vader was about as impressive as watching two children poke each other with a stick. The dialogue was good and memorable but the actual fight.. Gah.
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posted August 08, 2014 06:59 PM |
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you've been spoiled, elvin.
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posted August 08, 2014 07:08 PM |
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I counter your argument with this.
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posted August 08, 2014 07:14 PM |
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But that reminds us WHY THE snow THEY KILLED DARTH MAUL IN EP1 
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posted August 08, 2014 07:23 PM |
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Elvin said:
I counter your argument with this.
I consider Phantom Menace the worst in the Saga and ten minutes of light saber choreography wont change that. Besides, I was never much impressed by Darth Maul, I think he lacks charisma and looks too cartoon-like to be an arch-villain of substance. He might have been fighting the Ninja Turtles.
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posted August 08, 2014 10:56 PM |
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The CGI issue is a common problem in general in the movie industry. Great dialogue and character interactions are substituted with an overdose of green screen that induces little more than a yawn. For the first time in the history of performing arts & entertainment, I'm increasingly preferring studios with smaller budgets, which is just ridiculous. The Babylon 5 series (a fantastic series) successfully created a show with a ton of CGI involved, and yet the characters were rich and amazing. That doesn't happen very often. That came out when CGI was first starting to explode.
The move from space fantasy to quasi-science fiction was another mistake, because Star Wars was never penned to be a science fiction, and when you try to make it that way, it instantly becomes dumb. And yes, the only meaningful characters in the new episodes were Obi Wan and Anakin. It wasn't like the first Star Wars where you had more characters to love. Princess Lea, as the daughter, was much more intriguing than her mother (take that down kids. Probably the only time you'll hear me say that) Han Solo was interesting. Yodo was actually interesting. It wasn't just the Luke/Vader show.
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posted August 08, 2014 11:16 PM |
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The interesting thing is, while films got dumber, tv shows got better and better in terms of quality drama and character development.
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posted August 08, 2014 11:17 PM |
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Elvin said:
I counter your argument with this.
bah, too showy, unnecessary moves, it's like watching power rangers, ffs. and most of it is poorly choreographed, anyway.
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