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posted November 24, 2014 02:48 AM |
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Well, basically the part that you can't take seriously is that they send two operatives to wipe out an entire cell of drugdealers and terrorists, like 30+ guys. That has been something audiences have had to take in with suspended belief for decades though... action hero that rips a bunch of armed men by himself. Outside of that though, it's a very well done movie with witty & entertaining lines, good acting (John Travolta and John Rhys Meyers, the guy that played Henry VIII in The Tudors, are an awesome pair), and nicely directed action. There's B-grade unrealistic movies and then there's A-grade unrealistic ones.
Also, you can tell from the tone being set in certain movies that the movie might not take itself completely seriously. It intentionally makes use of hyperbole and/or comedy. The 5th Element is a perfect example of this, which is - in my opinion - one of the best & fun movies of all time.
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posted November 24, 2014 03:19 AM |
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It's been a while since I've seen that one but I remember scenes that might have been part of the Expendables, with car chases involving rocket launchers and impossible maneuvers to dodge them. And of course, what I hate the most is the bad guys who are supposed to be super villains with cold- blooded calculations, always taking it personal and kidnapping the hero's girl or kid. I mean, who does that? Really, who?
The Bourne series was realistic enough for my taste, I dont expect action movies to be like Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy or anything. Die Hard was exaggerated at times but things made sense overall, Die Hard 5 though, an emberrasment. And the norm is DH 5 now.
What's really idiotic is HOW it becomes the norm though, it's people who keep saying "it's just for fun man, they are not serious." Yeah, but they have a sector with experience, huge budgets and I'm hoping at least some talented writers. They can be serious and they can do better. It's like the story of this novelist, when confronted with how boring his novels are, he says "I am telling the story of boredom, they should be boring." You get a free pass only once down that road, you cant have 20 boring novels about boredom.
Dont make every time bomb disabled at 00:00:00:01 anymore, dont make the bad guys who are supposed to lay low and be cunning kidnapp police wives, dont put in the same damn overblown car chase or shooting spree over and over. Just one realistic assasination or one realistic fight scene where people actually get exhausted or injured has more impact on the audience than 20 Hollywood cliches.
Edit: Think of it like this, I just randomly picked a year from the times when cinema was taken a little more seriously, 1975: Back then, even in a single year, here is the list of movies that you can watch and enjoy that are really good from all genres: Jaws, One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest, Monthy Python and the Holy Grail, Barry Lyndon, Dog Day Afternoon, Three Days of the Condor, Nashville, Stepford Wives, the Hindenburg... plus some others I havent seen yet. We dont have this many good movies in 5 years now.
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posted November 24, 2014 03:34 AM |
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Real-life villains are almost never cold and calculating. They generally have overly-sensitive egos, can't handle criticism, blame everybody except for themselves for all their problems... etc. That's why they're villains; they're cowards that refuse to grow up and accept that the world doesn't revolve around them, so they resort to low-blow methods to try to get what they want. Your common street gangster fits this mold especially, but even your high-ups like Osama Bin Laden fit that kind of personality profile pretty well according to reports of people that worked with him. Ditto for men like Hitler or Stalin or your brutal African dictators. Yes, they might be intelligent and cunning for their part, but they also take everything personally and have their image & reputation painfully wrapped up in their business.
Kind of off-topic.
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posted November 24, 2014 03:38 AM |
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They can be megalomaniacs and emotionally immature but they dont go around kidnapping families of whoever is shooting at them. That's a different level of absurd.
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posted November 24, 2014 08:00 AM |
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Completely agree with artu.
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posted November 24, 2014 10:00 AM |
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blizzardboy said:
Real-life villains are almost never cold and calculating. They generally have overly-sensitive egos, can't handle criticism, blame everybody except for themselves for all their problems... etc. That's why they're villains; they're cowards that refuse to grow up and accept that the world doesn't revolve around them, so they resort to low-blow methods to try to get what they want. Your common street gangster fits this mold especially, but even your high-ups like Osama Bin Laden fit that kind of personality profile pretty well according to reports of people that worked with him. Ditto for men like Hitler or Stalin or your brutal African dictators. Yes, they might be intelligent and cunning for their part, but they also take everything personally and have their image & reputation painfully wrapped up in their business. Kind of off-topic.
/off-topic: most criminals are as you say. born sociopaths, however, are the cold and calculating type. i had a friend describe me as cold and calculating. he was actually describing himself. he was a born sociopath. he had thought the comment would please me, but by treating me like he treats everyone else(obviously directed flattery based on what he thought of how people viewed themselves), he exposed his true thoughts of me. when i realized that he saw me as just another mark, i took my leave of him. which is a letdown, because he was interesting to watch, while he worked his magic on people. not that he ever harmed anyone; he never had to. he could play people like harps. he made the mistake of thinking i was just another dullard, to have their strings pulled.
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posted November 24, 2014 03:12 PM |
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What's really idiotic is HOW it becomes the norm though, it's people who keep saying "it's just for fun man, they are not serious."
though, in the case of die hard 5, I'm not even sure saying that would save them. or you could say it was a facepalm kind of fun, because that's amazing how everyone is so stupid in that movie.
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They generally have overly-sensitive egos, can't handle criticism, blame everybody except for themselves for all their problems...
and who said those aren't sociopaths? I think I read that sociopaths get especially easily frustrated and angered. and of course they are never the ones to blame since the whole world only exists to serve them.
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posted November 24, 2014 04:02 PM |
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Artu has a good point, making movies which require you to shut down your brain has gone beyond autocratic "fun", it's now an excuse for lack of imagination and talent.
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posted November 24, 2014 04:39 PM |
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I found that there's a strong shift from movies toward Japanese animes. I've been feeling this shift for the past year or two, so many peeps that I know actively watch animes (I ask them for good recommendations, lol it was my bro of all people that recommended Spice and Wolf out of the blue), I would never have considered watching them if not for Ad's recommendation of Berserk. (I had this weird preconception about animes) The story lines of good animes far surpass modern cinema. Though, it would be fairer to compare an anime to a series, but the point I'm making, is that a lot of young peeps I know have largely given up on movies in favor of animes.
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posted November 24, 2014 04:42 PM |
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Really?
Or is it that you've just made more and more nerd friends? 
More seriously, perhaps it's just them watching both.
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posted November 24, 2014 04:47 PM |
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The only friend of mine that watches animes (to my knowledge) is my best buddy, probably due to our mutual obession with Hellsing Ultimate Abridged.
And the shift isn't necessarily among friends, it's the people around me, for example last week in my Globalisation seminar, this point was raised. I.e that the western film monopoly is crumbling, and then the popularity of Japanese animes was raised by someone else, which surprised me, as there was some interesting discussion, which made me think.
Also, watched let's be cops with my roomates. I think that it had potential, but everything amusing in the trailer was delivered so poorly in the film that it made me cringe. It had its funny moments, but I'd be strained to even call it an avarege movie.
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posted November 24, 2014 11:40 PM |
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A Most Wanted Man: The final performance from Philip S. Hoffman really leaves a mark on you and you realize that it's indeed one of those tragic situations where someone talented died while he was in his best time. Other than that, it's what you can expect from another John le Carre adaptation; a spy movie that focuses on the intelligence and espionage part, not the action. (Which btw, must be like 98 percent of actual spy work in real life. ) I have not read a John le Carre novel yet but each time I see a movie from one of his books, it leaves me wishing I had already.
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posted November 25, 2014 08:46 AM |
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if you wish for spy action where battle of the wits is more present, try looking up Seventeen Moments of Spring, but that's a TV miniseries, and not a movie.
by the way, thats a series made by the Ivan.
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posted November 25, 2014 12:30 PM |
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It's available as a torrent with English subtitles but no seeders, I am stuck at 44 percent for hours.
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posted November 25, 2014 06:31 PM |
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posted November 25, 2014 08:31 PM |
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so... watched michael bay's TMNT.
for a michael bay film, to little explosions.
like in the other live action adaptation of this, shredder looks like some one time power rangers villain. I was guessing when he'll grow in size and all that typical crap.
I have a feeling that the turtles themselves were all played by ghetto n words. not nice.
also, heavy snowed area in may(as we learn at the begining of the movie). what is this? The polar circle? or the Rooskie winter still rampaged through the yanks?
completely meh.
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posted November 28, 2014 10:18 AM |
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The Usual Subjects
So a few years to late I finally came around to seeing the Usual Subjects.
What a wonderful movie. So cleverly written. So smart and what a great way of telling a story.
A must watch indeed.
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posted November 28, 2014 02:02 PM |
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emilsn91 said:
So a few years to late I finally came around to seeing the Usual Subjects.
Wasn't it The Usual Suspects?
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posted November 28, 2014 04:26 PM |
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Pawek_13 said:
emilsn91 said:
So a few years to late I finally came around to seeing the Usual Subjects.
Wasn't it The Usual Suspects?
Yes indeed I must have been sleeping when I wrote it
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