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Corribus
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posted December 06, 2014 06:42 AM |
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I agree with blizzardboy.
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artu
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posted December 06, 2014 06:46 AM |
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About preferring the the Tim Burton universe or about "the awesomeness" of the crossguard?
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blizzardboy
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posted December 06, 2014 05:30 PM |
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Well about the crossguard light saber I'm assuming. Who doesn't like the crossguard light saber? Even you have a dormant, suppressed childhood memory of how much you want a crossguard light saber.
I would still sit down to a Nolan Batman trilogy over the Ironman movies or something, as long as I have a pillow and generous quantities of alcohol or other sedatives for the 3rd one, but Burton has the 1up in that department.
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Zenofex
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posted December 06, 2014 07:00 PM |
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I'm beginning to suspect a fetish here.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 07, 2014 12:32 AM |
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Couple of things.
Terminator is a HORROR movie. Low Budget. Genius.
T2 is a Mainstream Action adventure for the whole Family. Perfect in that regard ... BUT.
There are no other Terminator movies worth a mention except for Lemon.
Then there's Batman.
If it's Comics, it's either Cartoon - or it must be BELIEVABLY REALISTIC.
Burton tried and failed. For one Keaton sucks as Batman, for two Batman Returns is too much of a Comic and not enough of a realistic movie.
Nolan does it right. Great Cinema. Dark Knight is, sadly, the climax. I could write a book about why Heath Ledger as Joker beats Nicholson by a mile, although Nicholson is great as Joker - it's just that Ledger is fantastic. Clearly in the top 5 list of best bad guy ever (and Arnold S. as BAD GUY Terminator is in the top 5 as well!)
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artu
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posted December 07, 2014 12:48 AM |
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Quote:
If it's Comics, it's either Cartoon - or it must be BELIEVABLY REALISTIC
Well, you've already read that I also prefer the Nolan movies but believably realistic is not the only way to go, you can also try to carry the comical universe to cinema. Dick Tracy is an overwhelmingly significant example of this approach, the first Batman movie by Burton is also a successful example, it certainly does not try to be believably realistic, Nicholson's Joker is intentionally theatrical, the whole city is designed as a decor that has a gothic, picturesque feel to it and nothing is taken very seriously. Unlike the rest of those Batman movies, it works wonderfully, though.
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Corribus
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posted December 07, 2014 02:43 AM |
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Edited by Corribus at 02:52, 07 Dec 2014.
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JollyJoker said:
Clearly in the top 5 list of best bad guy ever (and Arnold S. as BAD GUY Terminator is in the top 5 as well!)
I wouldn't argue against this, but otherwise the Nolan movies just didn't work for me as well as they apparently did for other people. (To be fair, though, most movies based off of comic books work for me even less, so...)
Speaking of comic-book superhero movies, I saw Big Hero 6 today. I'd give the first half a solid A. The second half, where it degenerates into standard (albeit gorgeous) comic book action movie nonsense, a B-. The highlight of the experience, I have to say, was actually the animated short that preceded the movie, called Feast. Worth the ticket price, IMO. A+++.
Lego Movie still rules the roost for 2014 animated films, but Big Hero 6 is a worthy trip to the theatres.
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posted December 07, 2014 03:45 PM |
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JollyJoker said:
(and Arnold S. as BAD GUY Terminator is in the top 5 as well!)
lol, I read Arnold S. in Batman and robin  I was like, "what the hell, man?"
I liked both the Nolan's and burton's batman, even batman returns, even though evil clowns and nuclear pinguins were really weird.
dark knight rises starts pretty well, it just feels like the middle dragged on for too long, and then they had to resort on a ton of deus ex machinas to wrap it up in time.
also it's nice that batman begins features ra's al ghul, it's a character you didn't see very often (though, I guess you could say the same about killer croc, but I'm not sure he would be much better than a secondary villain). I wish they made him look more like the classic ra's al ghul, it had me confused, he just looked like a random dude.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 07, 2014 06:50 PM |
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Actually, Terminator, Batman and all Comic movies prove my point that TV Shows do These Kind of things better.
First, Terminator. Let's just say that the original is a low-budget Horror movie: Frankenstein's Monster is tasked with assassinating a threat, and it pursues this end relentlessly and emotionless. The end leaves you exhausted and with a bleak look on a bleak future.
The Sequel twists the plot around. Frankenstein's Monster is reformed and gets a couple of human traits to become a cuddly, but still cool behemoth to protect a teen from a different Kind of Monster that also has a couple of human traits, but is really, really mean. The end is Pathos pure. It's a Family movie.
Now - no denying that Arnie is cool with shades and biker Outfit - but the Cameron Terminator in the Terminator: TSCC is even cooler (and I don't want to start with Shirley Manson as the liquid Terminator in that Show). I'm with Sheldon - pity the Show was cancelled (too expensive).
Next time: Comic heroes. 
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artu
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posted December 07, 2014 11:13 PM |
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Edited by artu at 23:15, 07 Dec 2014.
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I think the problem with the liquid terminator is that it was such an effective idea as an assassin, they had to nerf it down. I remember watching the second movie as a teenager in the cinema and there was like a hundred moments when I thought "why doesnt he simply do X move and kill them?" The scene where he transmorphed his arms into hooks and dragged behind the car for example, simply transmorph the rest of your body into razor sharp waves and flow into the car. Times he forces doors etc, use the empty space on the floor and slip below? In any face to face combat with T800, grow hundreds of spikes from your torso? Why run all the time, turn into a cylinder and roll on... If that liquid T was real, it would have taken 10 seconds to kill all the targets in real life. But then, of course, you would have no movie to begin with.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 08, 2014 06:58 AM |
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Same problem with superheroes in comics. Actually, the liquid Terminator wasn't even a new idea:
Metal Men, initially a group of six robots, featured Mercury who could become liquid and flow through small slits and so on. There was even an "Alloy" feature (which would be very near to what the liquid T-1000 is). Large part of the fun of "unlimited" superpowers (a limited superpower as I define it, is Thing: he's extremely strong and durable, period, which means, he isn't easily killed or easily confined; an unlimited superpower is that of Mr. Fantastic, since there is no telling what the limits of his stretching abilities are in terms of problem solution) is how they maneuver themselves out of death traps or dead ends.
Which brings us back to Batman.
In Burton's Batman, the star is decoration, make-up and costumes, not Keaton or Nicholson. Which rakes in points for atmosphere, but that's it. The problem is that movies tell the story too condensed - and at the end of the day, the story is still only a small part of the actual material. Also, Batman is a fairly serious character that got even darker a couple of decades ago.
The Nolan movies concentrate on the characters (leading to a lack of BATMAN scenes in the 3rd movie).
The characters are, what's important, though - not the costumes. Spiderman hasn't been such a popular superhero due to his costume.
Due to the nature of comics, which are ideally a never-ending series of episodes in a continuing and evolving story, single movies don't seem to be a good way to work with them. Instead, TV shows would be their natural habitat. "Heroes" - an original creation, not based on a comic universe demonstrated that quite convincingly for a certain time. "Arrow" picked a more mundane hero for a show - I've seen the first season, and I think it delivers what it wants to. BOTH series spend a lot of time with showing the audience either HOW and WHY the heroes ended donning a costume and so what they do (in case of the mundane heroes) or what the POWER does to the heroes (and not only what the heroes do with their powers).
And the number of comic based shows is increasing. "Gotham" follows the young not-yet-police-commissioner-but-cop Gordon; "Agents of SHIELD" is obviously about Nick Fury and his lot; "Daredevil" is planned, as well as a couple of others.
Due to keeping the superhero tricks - and the costs - low, the shows concentrate more on the more mundane heroes or are even spin-offs.
The whole idea makes a lot of sense, since comics and their superheroes are meanwhile a solid part of the "cultural heritage" of the last millennium. So I think, we'll see a lot more of these in the upcoming years.
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posted December 09, 2014 09:45 PM |
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Watched Gran Torino today.
Pretty interesting expirience.
absolutely enjoyed Eastwood's grumpy old man portrayal.
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artu
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posted December 09, 2014 09:49 PM |
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*** Gran Torino spoiler ***
Yeah, the finale was an interesting twist and it wasn't over the top since he was terminally sick, anyway.
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kipshasz
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posted December 11, 2014 01:21 PM |
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It was a bit suspense, and damn well executed.
truly well done piece of cinema.
also, watched Stepbrothers.
It's been a while since I watched a film which focuses on a manchild or two.
From a Will Ferrel comedy I expected better.
some bits were funny though.
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xerox
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posted December 15, 2014 03:32 AM |
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Finally saw Fight Club but I didn't really get the point of it? Why is it so immensly popular?
It reminded me a bit about Freud psychology.
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artu
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posted December 15, 2014 04:05 AM |
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Well, the whole consumer based culture and the alienation it brings is a theme anybody can relate to and it's crafted well. The "he was not real" thing was quite new at the time, a clever and creative twist, again crafted truly artistically and very harmonious with that theme. Although, the movie takes on a very serious issue, it never ever gets boring.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 15, 2014 09:30 AM |
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Speaking about David Fincher -
After Silence of the Lambs, which should also be in the list of classics for a couple of reasons, I was thinking for a time that it would make more serial killer stuff rather pointless, but of course Seven - or actually Se7en - changed that for me. Pretty impressive movie that, all things considered.
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artu
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posted December 15, 2014 09:41 AM |
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He got a new murder movie now, Gone Girl, which is quite good. There are a few twists, the first and the biggest one, I saw it from a mile, even suspected I was meant to. But it was still executed well. My only real criticism would be (and trying not to give any spoilers since it's just out) that the very end of the movie is over the top and there was no way to get away with what the antagonist got away.
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JollyJoker
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posted December 15, 2014 09:49 AM |
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Still having the book on my to-do-list of reads.
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Zenofex
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posted December 15, 2014 09:59 AM |
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Gone Girl is good but nowhere near the Silence of the Lambs or Seven - partially because the cast is weaker and partially because of some moments where you have to overextend your tolerance to fiction in order to accept them as they are (especially the final). Rosamund Pike does a fine job as the wife but Ben Afflek... the guy's talent is just limited, most of the time the open questions about the plot remain open just because of his monotonous play, you can't figure out if it's because he's hiding something or because he's unfit to play a dramatic role. Still a good movie overall but I wouldn't give it more than 7/10.
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