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artu
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posted December 28, 2014 09:58 PM |
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The possiblity of a publicity stunt also crossed my mind but then again, how is hacking your own company and putting out DVD screeners of not released big productions profitable? Fury hit the torrent sites even before it was in the theaters, it's an expensive WW2 movie with stars, they wouldnt waste it to sell a mid-budget comedy more.
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posted December 28, 2014 10:31 PM |
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Kim Jong Un acts the same way a lot of monarchs acted 200+ years ago, especially the ones in eastern Asia. It isn't surprising. When you literally get worshipped or pseudo-worshipped your entire life, that's the product you get. N. Korea is the only place on Earth that still has the conditions to foster that kind of ruler. You can't even find it in Africa anymore. Kim Jong Un quite literally might be less mature than a teenager in some ways. It's not because he's crazy. It's just that he has so little experience with compromise, being told 'no', being humbled, etc., that he's like a child in some ways. It's the equivalent of muscle atrophy if you never have to strain a certain limb.
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posted December 28, 2014 10:47 PM |
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maybe the hacking was a real deal, but it was blown out of proprotion. it's just a bleeping movie. we have a lot of bleepers making fun of blokes like Comrade Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, an yet the rooskie isn't threatening to nuke the bleep out of every bleeping thing.
there wasn't much fuss when "Team America" came out, and the stoner duo behind it doesn't give a bleep about "political correctness" and crap. South Park is a solid proof of that.
but the movie got me thinking a bit. It did presented some interesting food for thought.
maybe old kim jong fatass is indeed just a little manchild who is expected to fill his father's shoes. who bleeping knows that.
but then again, the Korea split was just a failed excuse for the general Douglas Macarthur to win people of the great US of A over into electing him to rest his bum on that nice chair at the Oval Office. I personally think that this whole north Korea fad was just a thing created for the world leaders to laugh their bloody arses off.
just like with the bleeping morons of hamas, infiltrate a group of badass motherbleepers and be done with it. take down all the top bleepers who run the country, because kim jong fatass is just a puppet. all of them generals have the real power.
Even the bleeping chinese will help you out. I bet they're pretty pissed off about kim jong fatass & co keeping not only the cargo, but the trains as well. those things ain't cheap.
oh wait. there's no oil in North Korea. My bad.
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posted December 28, 2014 10:52 PM |
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Vladimir Putin is a hawk, but he's not a child. He's been forced to compromise his entire life. KGB isn't exactly an ideal climate for people that like to pout and wallow in indecision. He's had to swallow his pride ten thousand times over in his life in order to reach his goals, so bad publicity isn't going to phase him. Kim Jung Un isn't anything like Putin. Kim is untrained and psychologically very weak. Everything in life was given to him. He's expected to throw temper tantrums. Most monarchs do, because they can get away with it.
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artu
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posted December 28, 2014 10:59 PM |
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blizzardboy said:
Kim Jong Un acts the same way a lot of monarchs acted 200+ years ago, especially the ones in eastern Asia. It isn't surprising. When you literally get worshipped or pseudo-worshipped your entire life, that's the product you get. N. Korea is the only place on Earth that still has the conditions to foster that kind of ruler. You can't even find it in Africa anymore. Kim Jong Un quite literally might be less mature than a teenager in some ways. It's not because he's crazy. It's just that he has so little experience with compromise, being told 'no', being humbled, etc., that he's like a child in some ways. It's the equivalent of muscle atrophy if you never have to strain a certain limb.
Erdogan is doing pretty well in that regard also, especially since the last 2-3 years. Getting elected with almost half the votes even after Gezi protests and Gulen movement released some phone recordings indicating embezzlement kind of made him realize that there is a core voter profile that wont give up on him no matter what. The thing is, in him, they see the triumph of the overconservative Anatolian yokel, he becomes "the revenge of the little man." The peasant who shows them big city snobs!
He got so crazy, during a visit to a mine accident where hundreds of workers lost their lives, when someone booed him, he stepped down personally, followed the guy into a grocery store, punched him in the face, called him the seed of Israel and then let his bodyguards beat him up. I mean, the guy was a local who probably lost his relatives!
He built a 600 million dollar palace on protected forest land illegaly (the forest was named after Mustapha Kemal, btw, which Erdogan's party is known to hate) and to objections, he replied "I will build it and live in it, stop me if you can."
It's like we dont live in a state of law anymore, and to think all of us, liberals, leftists, intellectuals who stood up for democracy, defended his party against the possibility of a military coup in the early 2000's... When all of this is over, the Kemalists will say to us, see, we told you to bash the Islamists while they were weak but you guys whined about principles and democracy! The real, most permanent harm will be that, people lost their faith in the legitimacy of the system.
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posted December 28, 2014 11:33 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
Watched the Hobbit: the Battle of the Five Armies.
It is exactly as you would expect after watching the second film. Some scenes are simply awesome, but others are such abominations that you will ask for P. Jackson head in the theatre and forbid him from ever touching Tolkien material again.
PS: Super Mario Bros related with the Hobbit, Jackson manged to do this. Urghhhh
 I just recently read Jackson explain; "He's concerned that young folks are playing video games and getting away from the "Big Screen." Now we know why everything is soooo...over the top.
He initially said he did not want to make the Hobbit and I wish the heck he hadn't. He needs to head back to his real love...splatter-flicks.
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posted December 29, 2014 02:07 AM |
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There's actually a few plot twists in the Hobbit trilogy (deviant from the book) that I liked quite a lot, but I wish they could have done it without the comic book flavor. In the book, even those three trolls in the beginning of the journey were too much for the small party of dwarves to handle, and the rest of the encounters are the same way. They have to rely on a combination of luck and help from the outside to really do anything. There's not a single combat in the book in which they successfully fight their way through. That's one of the central themes: being way in over your head by yourself. Thorin tries to use his own entourage to reclaim his homeland, but it ends up being three outsiders: a hobbit, a wizard, and a human that do all of the important stuff.
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posted December 29, 2014 08:18 AM |
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markkur said:
He initially said he did not want to make the Hobbit and I wish the heck he hadn't.
Me too. They're just not that great.
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posted December 29, 2014 10:17 AM |
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Not that great would have been acceptable, they are juvenile.
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posted December 29, 2014 01:23 PM |
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There's actually a few plot twists in the Hobbit trilogy (deviant from the book) that I liked quite a lot, but I wish they could have done it without the comic book flavor. In the book, even those three trolls in the beginning of the journey were too much for the small party of dwarves to handle, and the rest of the encounters are the same way. They have to rely on a combination of luck and help from the outside to really do anything. There's not a single combat in the book in which they successfully fight their way through. That's one of the central themes: being way in over your head by yourself. Thorin tries to use his own entourage to reclaim his homeland, but it ends up being three outsiders: a hobbit, a wizard, and a human that do all of the important stuff.
Well, I certainly don't want to say that Hollywood or NZ doesn't have the right to adapt and do what they want, it's their money and all that but in this case my thoughts are that this book deserved far better treatment for the original classic story; I'd probably feel different if the book and already been done homage once.
I suppose the only time that anyone feels like I do, is when a Director really disregards the simple merits of a personal treasure. Even in the Two Towers (and I was aok with PJ's "self constraint" in LotR)Jackson makes the Battle of Helms deep like 33% of the running time or more of the movie and in the book it's 3% of the text. <L> I mean how many head lopping scenes would it take for Peter to finally say; "you know I AM being absolutely SILLY. 
As far as the trolls, most irksome to me was that the singing purse was perfect material "as it was" I mean, c'mon a singing purse that gives warning of a pick-pocket? and that was replaced with a snot rag...and all those ridiculous cliff-hangers and head-dancing scenes on amusement rides...I better just stop right there. <L>
With the first non-trilogy <L> I was really into the whole event from 1999 till I had bought and watched all discs in the extended edition etc. So like five years of Tees and sculptures, the whole shabang.
After seeing the first of the Hobbit <ahem> "thrill-oh-gee...whiz"<imo> I sadly realized that Rankin-Bass had the far better scenes with the Bilbo/Smaug exchange in their 1978 Cartoon. By contrast PJ's treatment was a forever extended nothingness (oh dear, I dropped my magic ring that makes me invisible and will save my life in front of the baddest dragon and "only" fire-breathing dragon I've ever seen); Bilbo should have just jumped on a big bat's back and escaped...forever <L>
Oil well. Happy New Year!
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posted December 29, 2014 01:55 PM |
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In the end, the best film of both trilogies is the first one. An Unexpected Journey was heavily critisied two years ago, but apart from having a (very) slow start, it's quite alright. Doesn't have the big snow ups like the other two
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posted December 29, 2014 02:23 PM |
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I disagree, the first Hobbit movie was worse than the second. Some chasing scenes were like a computer game, very overblown. The humor was more juvenile. They tuned those down in the second movie due to the reactions.
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posted December 29, 2014 03:25 PM |
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artu said:
Some chasing scenes were like a computer game, very overblown.
So were in the second movie. Or have you forgotten about snowing Legolas jumping over barrels Dwarves? Elves dancing while shooting? Or the whole forge scene...
artu said:
The humor was more juvenile. They tuned those down in the second movie due to the reactions.
It's a childs book after all.
Desolation of Smaug has several big problems. For one, it doesn't have an ending (the forge scene accomplish nothing and it's utterly stupid), as the third film starts with what should have been the end of the second (the fall of Smaug).
Secondly, significant parts of the film were cut off from the theatrical version and reserved for the Extended Edition (which helps to aleviate some of DoS problems, the scene were Gandalf and Bilbo introduce the dwarves to Beorn is just excellent!). Both Beorn and Mirkwood are gone in a blink of an eye, they deserved way more screentime than they got. And no Thrain at Dol Guldur, man
And in third place, a lot of scenes makes me facepalm so hard it hurts. Orcs can surprise Elves guards in the river? Armored Elves can't land a blow vs mere orcs yet Legolas & Tauriel can take the lot by themselves? The company has to sneak in Laketown inside the barrels and with Bard covering them yet the orcs go unnoticed up to Bard's house? And let's not mention again the Forge scene...
Oh, and I almost forget the biggest flaw of the film. The stupid, absurd, fake romance between Fili and Tauriel. That alone downplays the film so, so much
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posted December 29, 2014 03:58 PM |
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Well, yes, but I guess in the second movie, I wasnt caught off-guard so they irritated me less. But come to think of it, you are right about the fact second movie also had them.
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posted December 30, 2014 02:22 AM |
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300: Rise of an Empire. Cool movie which is more nuanced than 300 since the Persians aren't lolsatan and Greeks not loljesus in this one. It has an awesome female commander, Artemisa, who actually existed in real life ot my amazement and a lot of homoeroticism. Obviously I approve. 6 / 10.
Hobbit: Battle of the Five Armies. Well, the Hobbit films are a joke compared to LOTR and this one is no exception. It was really cool seing the White Council and the actual battle (elven battle formations <3) but the battle tactics are so stupid (I've been playing to much Rome Total War) and I just don't care about the stupid CGI Orcs at all. Plus, Bilbo's barely in a film called the Hobbit at all. It was a mistake to make the Hobbit three films. 6 / 10
Alien Ressurection: This one is underrated. I loved the black comedy and it has a lot of cool scenes like most of things with the creepy scientists and the underwater aliens. Ripley is excellent as always and I felt really bad for the Alien at the end. 7 / 10.
POTC At World's End: I like the PotC mythology and thought this one wrapped up the trilogy in a rather satisfying but by no means spectacular way. 7 / 10
POTC On Stranger Tides: I've tried seeing this twice and never really got in to it. It has a hot Spanish guy though. 4 / 10
Hunger Games Catching Fire: It's pretty much of rehash of the first film but there's a lot of cool scenes and I think the films do a great way of portraying the setting. 7 / 10
Independece Day: Typical American popcorn film. Enjoyable but with no depth and to much cheese. 6/10
Battleship: Loved the idea of making battleship into a movie and Rihannas not that bad but the movie's laughably terrible. 5/10
Maleficent: This movie's Maleficent is a completely different character than the one in the Disney movie, but I love her anyway. Angelina Jolie is amazing and fabolous as Maleficent and the movie is so beautiful. I loved how they moved away from some random Prince being the true love. Disappointed she didn't turn into a Dragon though. 7/10
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posted January 02, 2015 05:41 PM |
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Watched Hobbit: Battle of the Five Armies. And I must say the movie is bad, and really, really bad. Not even comparing it to original LOTR, but just looking at it as a movie.
The hobbit series reminds me of star wars prequels (but not exactly that much bad, but still bad).
Next day i watched Exodus: Gods and Kings, and dont know is it because hobbit was so snowty so this movie looked so better. This is the first movie that I watched that actually looks good in 3d. And the first half of the movie is great. I am little disappointed that they didnt keep the direction they where going on beginning but still ok movie, generally above average, and visual ohh man, compared to cgi crap in hobbit, massive battles here looks so good, and the camera and scenes look beautiful.
The last move that I watched is The machine. This is the biggest surprise this year for me. A sci fi dark/bladerunner like movie that is happening during cold war between china and USA. Its nothing new from the plot point, but execution, aesthetic, script and acting is superb
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posted January 02, 2015 06:04 PM |
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I don't want to live on this planet anymore...
Why do I only find negative opinions about the Hobbit Trilogy (please no replies in the style of: "cause they were bad..." with no arguments whatsoever)? And on a forum that is based on fans (mostly) of a game that represents the fantasy genre. Meaning they like fantasy (mostly). Why do people hate those movies so? Are they not happy to watch more of Jackson's take on Middle-Earth? Do they prefer to watch remakes of Conan or movies like Jack the Giant Slayer? Sure they're fun movies on their own, but not to the point you will remember them a few years later. I guess they don't, but the question is: why bother with watching them? Because you ought to, cause it's one of the biggest release of the year? Because your momma ordered you to, or you would be banished from your RPG lovers circle?
Me? I've almost cried at the end of the BoFA, because I thought to myself: it's the last of Middle-Earth I'll see on the big screen ever again. Waiting for each LotR movie back in the day was painful but joyful. Same goes for Hobbit movies. I feel empty now, there is not a single movie/movies I'm waiting for now (well maybe Jacksons Temeraire adaptation, but it's seems there's a long way to make it happen, seeing what Jackson recently said about his next movie plans). Jacksons Middle-Earth movies have a special place in my heart cause I don't watch them. I feel them, even when I'm seeing them for a tenth time. I'm completely immersed with this full living-breathing world each time. There is no other movie/movies that has such an effect on me, so that's probably why I'm a fanboy...
The movies are exactly what the fans wanted (at least what I as a fan wanted): bloated, over-sized adaptation of a short "kiddy" book. Well guess what? That's the point of it. To see more of Middle-Earth, to dive into it once again. And again. A fan wants to see as much of his favorite thing as possible. I guess people who don't feel Jackons Middle-Earth, only watch it, won't ever understand this kind of feeling that I'm having. Cause saying that this movies shouldn't ever be created or that it should've been a single movie (with so much material Tolkien left aside from the book), completely ignoring all the hard work that was put into this movie (watch "the making of" Smaugs treasury for instance) means they don't treat this movies with feelings or with respect. Or they are not fans, only "watchers". Even with those movies being inferior to the original trilogy... Besides, making the movie a kids story like the original would put so much rage on Jackson that I can't even begin to imagine.
To show that I'm not a complete fanboy I can write down those few things I didn't like about the movie. Firstly the ending of the movie seems like it was cut to pieces. Because the length of the movie was drastically cut down in comparison to it's prequels (probably because so many people whined about the length of those movies) it seems rushed and lacking. Though it shows some references to the original trilogy I didn't quite like Bilbo's homecoming scene. I also didn't like how they've shown the climax of the battle (I'm talking about the things that went on below, and about the "counterattack"). What happened with all those other characters (of course I know from the books but why not show it in the movie?). All in all, while scenes like Smaugs assault on the city or the fight with the Necromancer (badass fantasy fight scene incarnate) were incredible I find that the ending didn't deliver as I was hoping it would. Oh well, I really hope that the extended edition will have all those cut off pieces (and more) sawn together to make even a better movie that it is.
This is your fanboy speaking, thank you for your time, and let the flaming begin... (NOTE that I'm looking on those movies with my heart, just really wanted to get this off my chest after reading all this critique, and while I'm a sick fanboy that has no chance of recovery, have a little mercy  ...)
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posted January 02, 2015 10:48 PM |
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First blob2, try not to be snarky at people that dont like some of the movies that you do. There is nothing wrong with you liking it, as same as so many others not liking it.
Is a movie a fantasy, horror, drama, is it a batman movie series, lord of the rings or something else doesnt make it a good movie or a bad one. People dont hate hobbit movies, they just dont like bad movies. This is not something about a genre of movie, so like, i dont like horror movies, and i will say all horror movies are snow because i dont like the genre, or comic book movies and similar.
Why did I personally go to see the movie? Because I am a fantasy fan, and to know is a movie good or bad, you need.. you know to go and watch it. So no, my mom did not order me to go and see it, and I suggest you to lover you fanboyism if you want to have a constructive and not flammable conversation.
I dont know what fans wanted, I never read the hobbit books, or any of other books in the LOTR universe. I can give you a list why hobbit as a movie is a bad one and why so many people are not a fan of them.
From visual perspective it is a bad one because they went full CGI, with very little costumes, environment models and similar. A lot of characters where done full CGI where there was no need for it. Camera angles, and scenes are done on average levels. This makes the movie look like a cartoon/game, and nothing like the feel of original LOTR (where they used a lot more scaled models and costumes for both characters and environments)
They failed at character development. Except the main protagonist (that is one of the positive aspects of the movie) and the old ones from LOTR (not counting legolas, as he is a totally different personality compared to the LOTR), most of others are forgettable, or remembered for bad reasons(love interest, over the top acting for a comedy relief-jar jar binks syndrome and similar).
Third thing is the love thing that was executed very poorly and clumsy and did not add anything to the move except to be a filler.
Forth thing - a lot of character with over the top acting that is common for bad kids movies/cartoon.
The movie didnt know what it wants to be. It tried to be a bad kid movie with very bland and irritating character that are there for shallow comedy, but on the other hand you have more mature perspective with all beheading and gore and somewhat dark tones for more grown ups, but with very stupid plot and over the top action. Stupid moves like elves jumping over falanx group of dwarves with full spears in arms in front of them . Its just very, very stupid parts like this (and there are a lot of them in all 3 movies) that force you to turn your brain off, and the worst thing is, there are not that many good parts to overshadow them.
If you ask me do I want more movies in the LOTR world? Yes. But only if there will be put more effort in them to actually be good, and not a cheap cash cow dragged out to fit it to 3 movies.
And never ever be a fanboy. Fanboy and hateboys are generally bad things to be. Be a fan, like something, but acknowledge it bad parts, and that you can like things that are generally considered bad. There are a lot of good movies, that I dont like, and a lot of bad ones that I like.
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posted January 02, 2015 11:23 PM |
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Somi post could be worth a QP, well stated. The last point is so true 
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posted January 02, 2015 11:49 PM |
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Oh, very well...
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