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DagothGares
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posted March 28, 2015 05:04 PM |
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Yah, das ist mein point too. My point is that historical battles aren't wrestling matches. The ones that are known are the ones that effected change, it doesn't matter whether they were perceived as "good" or "bad." It wasn't like: "AND THEN JAPAN PULLED A HEEL TURN AND ASSAULTED PEARL HARBOUR, HOW WILL AMERICA RECOVER FROM THIS ONE? OOOOH, AMERICA'S BATTLESHIPS WERE OUTSIDE OF THE HARBOUR, JAPANS IN A PINCH NOW. OOOH, JAPAN IS GOING TO GET ITS COMUPPINS FOR THE RAPE OF NANKING! BACK TO YOU, KENT."
"As you can see, Germany has pulled a heel turn as well versus the communist union. I think the temporary alliance between team axis and Stalin has ended, AND STALIN PULLS A CHAIR OUT AND HITS GERMANY OVER THE HEAD WITH SCORCHED EARTH. INCREDIBLE, BOB, JUST ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE."
It was more like "Yeah, the Roman Empire stretched out very far and was in decline, and we typically mark the battle of teutoburg forest as the time when the Roman Empire stopped expanding to cope with this and August declared Pax Romana." Historians care about the march of history. Most of them aren't concerned with good or bad, right or wrong, underdog versus big dog. The non-historians see it even more condensed albeit through a more nationalistic veneer of glory or a narrative of suffering (like Poland and South-Korea.) Mostly, I'm being funny and annoyed.
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posted March 28, 2015 05:48 PM |
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artu said: Meh, to some degree maybe, but Market Garden was a failure and there's an all-star movie about it from the 70's
Fun fact: the battle for the final bridge was shot in my home town Deventer, instead of Arnhem
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posted March 28, 2015 05:59 PM |
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That is a fun fact but I'm guessing you werent born yet and couldnt take a peek at the set.
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Steyn
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posted March 28, 2015 06:24 PM |
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Well, you don't have to guess as my age is in my profile
But unfortunately you are right, I wasn't there yet.
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posted March 28, 2015 07:05 PM |
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artu said: Meh, to some degree maybe, but Market Garden was a failure and there's an all-star movie about it from the 70's and this is not the first one about Gallipoli from the West. There's also a well known movie starring Mel Gibson, though he wasnt famous yet when he made it.
Failure is hardly remembered with the eagerness glory gets for obvious reasons but everything isnt swept under the rug.
It's not like such movies don't exist, true, but they are overwhelmed by productions where "the good guys" win the war, even Bridge Too Far which you mention is shown mostly from the Allies' perspective. The last 20 years of blockbuster-tier movies can leave you with the impression that WW2 was won entirely on the Western Front and that the Germans were a band of incompetent amateurs - judging from the comments in IMDB there are plenty of people who actually believe things like that.
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posted March 28, 2015 09:31 PM |
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Dude, naturally, the movies made by Allies will mostly reflect the Allies perspective, that's like watching Der Untergang and saying it shows things from the German perspective. A degree of objectivity and not having too much of a bias is expected, of course, but to what extent can an American film represent the Axis perspective anyway? Clint Eastwood tried that with Flags of Our Fathers/Letters from Iwo Jima, presenting both the American and the Japanese perspective, they were allright movies but you could tell the Japanese side of the story was still told by an American. A Japanese movie would be radically different in style to begin with.
For your own perspective, you should make your own movie, that's always the way it is.
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posted March 28, 2015 09:51 PM |
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That's not my point though. A degree of bias is unavoidable when you belong to one of the "sides" and as long as it doesn't turn into a one-sided crap, it's OK and it's tolerable. I'm talking about the trend to create movies from the winners' point of view, with all the romanticized nonsense that could be expected from it without even trying to be a bit balanced. The two Eastwood movies you mentioned were quite good, albeit their Hollywood origin, because they didn't exploit the "our brave boys who saved the world from evil" formula.
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posted March 28, 2015 10:04 PM |
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Well, in that case, I dont think a Bridge Too Far is a problematic movie either. I mean, there is something that doesnt work about it, I cant pinpoint exactly what it is, I don't think it's a terrible film either. But its issue is certainly not too much bias towards Germans or caricaturistic heroism by Allies to the point it becomes unbelievable.
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posted March 29, 2015 03:50 AM |
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Black Swan. 8/10. Mesmerizing depiction of mental illness and personal liberation.
Interstellar. 9/10. Revolutionary science fiction imo. A lot of interesting things but has bad pacing (it takes forever for them to get to space which is what you want to see). Also I thought fifth dimenstion stuff felt more religion than science fiction.
The Amazing Spider-Man 2. 7/10. I thought the characters were more interesting than in the first one but there were just to many of them so they didn't get fleshed out. Also hated the random cliffhanger at the end.
Top Gun. 10/10. Better than Czech military gay porn.
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posted March 31, 2015 04:01 PM |
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So I just learned about Super Troopers 2 indiegogo campaign, and I'm excited. Super Troopers is one my favourite films of all time!
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posted April 05, 2015 12:44 PM |
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Adrius said: What we do in the Shadows was an absolutely hilarious film...
Aye, recommended. Considering that nowadays it's damn difficult to find a comedy that won't assault your definition of garbage, this one is even a must for those who want to make sure that the genre still has something to show.
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posted April 16, 2015 08:07 PM |
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posted April 16, 2015 08:18 PM |
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This is one of two films I am impatiently waiting for (second one is Pixar's "Inside out"). It seems that we are going to get a new epic adventure and I can't wait for this Christmas. I need to book the tickets in advance.
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Salamandre
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posted April 16, 2015 08:24 PM |
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So Jango Feet got now black variant? This "let's be politically correct" is killing me, if you want to use black, yellow or green skin actors, give them a realistic lore role, with a creative goal.
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posted April 16, 2015 08:31 PM |
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Salamandre said: This "let's be politically correct" is killing me, if you want to use black, yellow or green skin actors, give them a realistic lore role, with a creative goal.
Why can't he be black because actor that plays him is, well, black? Lando was black, Mace Windu was black, both played quite an important role in their respective trilogies, so why make a problem when there's none?
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Salamandre
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posted April 16, 2015 08:35 PM |
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Mace Windu was a jedi, his race could be any (well, except syth for example, that would be at least questionable too). Clones (stormtroopers) are clones, the word has a meaning.
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posted April 16, 2015 08:40 PM |
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Salamandre said: So Jango Feet got now black variant? This "let's be politically correct" is killing me, if you want to use black, yellow or green skin actors, give them a realistic lore role, with a creative goal.
What has Jango Feet to do with stormtroopers? They are not clones anymore, as all the clones died from old age by the start of star wars 4. And as Luke wanted to join empire academy in first original star wars it's pretty obvious that all stormtroopers are normal people, and recruits.
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Pawek_13
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posted April 16, 2015 08:42 PM |
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Salamandre said: Mace Windu was a jedi, his race could be any (well, except syth for example, that would be at least questionable too). Clones (stormtroopers) are clones, the word has a meaning.
Clones at time of Old Trilogy were dead or in their late 80s. In "Attack of Clones" it was stated that Clones aged two times quicker than normal people, so later Empire had to find new soldiers and there you have it, a black recruit.
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Storm-Giant
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posted April 16, 2015 08:42 PM |
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Don't mind him, old men need to be grumpy by nature
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Salamandre
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posted April 16, 2015 08:59 PM |
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Yeah I am grumpy. You all are going on a civil war in HC because (oh my goodness!) they introduced spiders in Ashan lore, but if I do a simple remark about stormtroopers being white in the original lore, I am grumpy, sure.
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