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blob2
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posted October 21, 2015 12:15 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 00:18, 21 Oct 2015.
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About SW: TFA.
I don't remember the hype back before Phantom Menace hit the screen, but this reactions do not seem like a "Fooled me once..." thingy (I'm looking at you GL). Yet, here we are, people are just all over the place with this movie!
Me? Well I'll definately watch it, but I've never been a fan of Star Wars. Sure, I liked watching the movies as a kid or playing some games based around it (I even have some Micro Machine toys from the franchise), but the trailer just didn't give me the "chills" that everyone is talking about...
For one, I don't like this, "Jedi is a myth?" stuff and that our Heroes will probably be getting their butts kicked for like two and a half movie only to shine at the end, but it definately seems like it. I remember reading once that post New Hope Luke is supposed to be keeping watch over some new-Jedi school. Where's that? And now I see him hiding like a Yoda-bum somewhere in the wilds. Yeah yeah I know, a movie needs drama, "against-all-odds" and emotions to build our symphaty around it (plus it's called "Awakens" no? Read: needs time  ), but so far, I'm not yet convinced...
I'm definately not boarding the hype train.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted October 21, 2015 12:18 AM |
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I think the Jedi school stuff was in the so-called Expanded Universe that got nuked once they announced sequel films. 
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Pawek_13
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posted October 21, 2015 12:26 AM |
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Drakon-Deus said:
I think the Jedi school stuff was in the so-called Expanded Universe that got nuked once they announced sequel films.
True. All the things that are cannon right now are:
- Star Wars Episode I-VI
- Star WArs: The Clone Wars (the CG show, not sure about the hand-drawn one)
- Star Wars: Rebels (a new CG show aired on Disney XD)
- Str Wars: Battlefront (the one that is to be released in upcoming weeks)
- Some Star Wars comics published recently by Marvel
And that's it. Disney decided that the Expanded Universe got so big and messy that it would be the best idea to scrap it and rewrite the history of a galaxy far, far away...
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blob2
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posted October 21, 2015 12:26 AM |
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Edited by blob2 at 00:28, 21 Oct 2015.
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Drakon-Deus said:
I think the Jedi school stuff was in the so-called Expanded Universe that got nuked once they announced sequel films.
This one bit I don't get. On one hand I've read that Lucas was really meticulous in keeping post New Hope lore as consistent as possible. On the other wiki says that it might use some stories from EU, but Movie numero 7 mainly scraps that stuff. What gives?
EDIT: Oh thx Pawek_13. That explains some things. Still I don't find that a good idea. I was really looking forward to that Jedi school
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Storm-Giant
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posted October 21, 2015 12:44 AM |
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Then play Jedi Knight : Jedi Academy. It is a fun game (force choke everybody DD), where you play as a Jedi learning in Luke's Academy from scratch.
It makes all the sense in the world to scrap the EU and start fresh. It would be next to impossible to fit a new trilogy within the EU, everything was mapped out with the books, games and comics. There would be no sense of surprise. By scrapping the EU, now they can bring new, original material to the table. Which is good.
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Kayna
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posted October 21, 2015 01:01 AM |
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Pawek_13 said:
Drakon-Deus said:
I think the Jedi school stuff was in the so-called Expanded Universe that got nuked once they announced sequel films.
True. All the things that are cannon right now are:
- Star Wars Episode I-VI
- Star WArs: The Clone Wars (the CG show, not sure about the hand-drawn one)
- Star Wars: Rebels (a new CG show aired on Disney XD)
- Str Wars: Battlefront (the one that is to be released in upcoming weeks)
- Some Star Wars comics published recently by Marvel
And that's it. Disney decided that the Expanded Universe got so big and messy that it would be the best idea to scrap it and rewrite the history of a galaxy far, far away...
Wow. Wookiepedia's gonna get deleted bad. Shame, because I like the Star wars expanded universe more than the movies, which are too oversimplified with good and evil. Not to mention the lack of information in the movies alone, which makes the conversion from Anakin to Darth Vader absolutely not credible at all. The old star wars could also have been much better if they had portrayed Vader as the victim he really is.
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blizzardboy
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posted October 21, 2015 08:22 AM |
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I noticed around the 12th time watching the trailer that the Darth Mickey lightsaber is in the shape of a sword near the base.
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artu
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posted October 21, 2015 10:18 AM |
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For those of you who "study" the trailer and trying to figure out is this that and is that this, here's a site that explains things scene by scene.
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Maurice
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posted October 21, 2015 10:36 AM |
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artu said:
For those of you who "study" the trailer and trying to figure out is this that and is that this, here's a site that explains things scene by scene.
Thanks for the link, Artu  .
Anyway, George Lucas himself has always said that whatever was written in the Expanded Universe, he didn't consider it "lore". That a lot of fans are all riled up now because "Chewbacca should be dead!" and all, simply means they need a very serious reality check (pun intended, actually ). The only material that's official canon is whatever George Lucas produced before transferring control over to Disney.
As for my personal feelings: I really want to see the new movie but I also really want the story to be good. And as such, somewhere in the back of my mind a little voice yells at me "it's a trap!", but one that I am making for myself: expectations that may be too high. Hopefully, I'll be able to temper it a little before the movie is released.
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fred79
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posted October 21, 2015 12:50 PM |
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Edited by fred79 at 13:10, 21 Oct 2015.
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i wasn't aware that disney had taken over the series. that's not a good portend, as they make kids' movies, and adult themes take a back seat to entertaining children(along with other things i don't like about kids' movies nowadays). i just read online that these 3 stories/movies aren't what lucas intended anyway. but then, he made the movies that i wasn't such a huge fan of(the last 3), with that horrible character of whom i won't name(). so maybe disney can do better, i don't know. maybe lucas is too senile to make anything worthwhile anymore.
i would have liked it better if it wasn't disney making these movies. i'll keep my expectations in the toilet until after i see the movie.
related:
anyone see the problem with this? 
now, if they made something like this, on the other hand:
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Maurice
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posted October 21, 2015 02:23 PM |
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Edited by Maurice at 15:03, 21 Oct 2015.
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fred79 said:
i wasn't aware that disney had taken over the series. that's not a good portend, as they make kids' movies, and adult themes take a back seat to entertaining children(along with other things i don't like about kids' movies nowadays).
Even if Disney is the franchise owner now, I doubt that they've turned the upcoming Star Wars movie into a kiddies' movie like An Ewok Adventure and The Battle for Endor. Those two movies were under the banner of George Lucas and quite child-friendly (though The Battle for Endor did have a gritty feel about it, if I remember).
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anyone see the problem with this?
Not really. The material of the hilt is supposed to resist lightsaber blades and hence acts like a crossguard just like traditional swords do among one another. I suspect that we'll also see this in the movies, when Kylo Ren and Finn go mano a mano (as seen in the third trailer), where Kylo Ren will use the crossguard to parry slashes from Finn.
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kipshasz
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posted October 21, 2015 02:34 PM |
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lol at the yarmulke in the second pic.
Now be warned, Efraim Zurof is going after you with his antifa turds.
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fred79
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posted October 21, 2015 03:03 PM |
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Maurice said:
Not really. The material of the hilt is supposed to resist lightsaber blades and hence acts like a crossguard just like traditional swords do among one another. I suspect that we'll also see this in the movies, when Kylo Ren and Finn go mano a mano in the movie (as seen in the third trailer), where Kylo Ren will use the crossguard to parry slashes from Finn.
i guess that makes sense, as the sword itself contains the beam. i still don't like the design, though. it just looks like they were trying to be cool by adding a crossguard, which is lame. next, they'll have "light" bow and arrows. and a "light" shield. or maybe a "light" whip, like a johnny mnemonic laser whip:
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fred79
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posted October 21, 2015 03:09 PM |
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kipshasz said:
Now be warned, Efraim Zurof is going after you with his antifa turds.
i should be good, as it's only a joke(and a funny one at that). i don't give a rat's ass if someone is jewish or not, as i'd have to be a dumbass to designate any specific religion to be the hated one. just like i'd be a dumbass to hate any particular race. no, my hatred is an equal-opportunity kind of thing.
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blizzardboy
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posted October 21, 2015 03:09 PM |
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Maurice said:
As for my personal feelings: I really want to see the new movie but I also really want the story to be good. And as such, somewhere in the back of my mind a little voice yells at me "it's a trap!", but one that I am making for myself: expectations that may be too high. Hopefully, I'll be able to temper it a little before the movie is released.
The story will make little difference whether it turns out to be a good movie.
The biggest danger I see in it is that the movie is going to be peppered with a hundred little nostalgic treats throughout it: in other words it will use the fame of the original trilogy as the spinal cord to prop it up, instead of being ambitious and trying to be its own creature.
There's a lot of talent and resources being dumped into the movie for pre-Christmas '15 all over the world. They're expecting a ton of seats being sold. My expectation is that it will be a very good movie, but otherwise will not be able to match the highly unique mix of tension/slapstick/adventure that the original characters created. That's something that happened in the original trilogy largely by accident, and it's very hard to recreate an accident.
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Khalbrae
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posted October 21, 2015 03:43 PM |
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Edited by Khalbrae at 15:47, 21 Oct 2015.
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Pawek_13 said:
Drakon-Deus said:
I think the Jedi school stuff was in the so-called Expanded Universe that got nuked once they announced sequel films.
True. All the things that are cannon right now are:
- Star Wars Episode I-VI
- Star WArs: The Clone Wars (the CG show, not sure about the hand-drawn one)
- Star Wars: Rebels (a new CG show aired on Disney XD)
- Str Wars: Battlefront (the one that is to be released in upcoming weeks)
- Some Star Wars comics published recently by Marvel
And that's it. Disney decided that the Expanded Universe got so big and messy that it would be the best idea to scrap it and rewrite the history of a galaxy far, far away...
Also the Outrunner from Shadows of the Empire exists just because it makes a cameo in the Special edition remakes. No word on if any other things from Shadows of the Empire exist.
BB said:
That's something that happened in the original trilogy largely by accident, and it's very hard to recreate an accident.
No kidding. Lucas hated the final cut of A New Hope because he had to use scenes he wanted to cut out and replace with others but was forced to keep in because the studio demanded it be sent the film immediately.
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artu
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My BS sensor is tingling again
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posted October 21, 2015 08:43 PM |
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Edited by artu at 06:52, 22 Oct 2015.
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blizzardboy said:
Maurice said:
As for my personal feelings: I really want to see the new movie but I also really want the story to be good. And as such, somewhere in the back of my mind a little voice yells at me "it's a trap!", but one that I am making for myself: expectations that may be too high. Hopefully, I'll be able to temper it a little before the movie is released.
The story will make little difference whether it turns out to be a good movie.
The biggest danger I see in it is that the movie is going to be peppered with a hundred little nostalgic treats throughout it: in other words it will use the fame of the original trilogy as the spinal cord to prop it up, instead of being ambitious and trying to be its own creature.
The story (the script to be more precise, not necessarily the story) never ever makes a little difference. Put all the great acting, awesome effects, incredible visuals in a movie, if the script is weak, you are dead. The script is the only difference between some legendary movies and their -mediocre at best- sequels: Same actors, same formula, same or even better technology, but if the script is bad, you got no chance.
The prequel trilogy pretty much killed the magic for me, the magic that I held onto from my childhood memories. So my expectations for this one is, by default, low. I don't expect it to be a complete disaster but I'm not even excited, I didn't watch the trailer the minute I saw it, for example. I had other things to do.
The most common dangers we can expect would be:
1- Weak script and shallow characters trying to be compensated with overzealous CGI. (The Hollywood disease of the 21st Century.)
2- Too much nostalgia instead of originality and old characters popping up here and there for no reason, decentralizing the mood the flow of events demands.
3- Not so charismatic villain, Darth Vader is a villain that's very hard to compete with both in appearance and character depth. The prequels certainly failed to fill his shoes, even Christopher Lee, the perfect actor for a SW villain couldn't beat that.
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Gryphs
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posted October 21, 2015 09:00 PM |
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Edited by Gryphs at 21:00, 21 Oct 2015.
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artu said:
1- Weak script and shallow characters trying to be compensated with overzealous CGI. (The Hollywood disease of the 21th Century.)
This is exactly what I was thinking when the new star wars movie was announced. I hope it isn't bad, but given how most movies these days are glamourous movement and explosions with some words on the side I have very low expectations.
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Drakon-Deus
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posted October 22, 2015 12:33 PM |
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I agree with your points Artu, but maybe these dangers can be averted by this film, after what happened in the 1999-2005 movies. I'm not expecting "The Force Awakens" to top the original trilogy, but a competent sequel is what I hope for.
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Zenofex
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posted October 22, 2015 12:54 PM |
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fred79 said:
it just looks like they were trying to be cool by adding a crossguard, which is lame.
That is exactly what they did though. Darth Maul had a dual lightsaber for the very same reason, except that it actually looked good, not forcefully added after some exceptionally dry brainstorming session. The villains are supposed to have some distinguishing feature - Darth Vader had his helm and heavy breathing, Darth Maul - his dual lightsaber, Darth Sideous - his Force Lightning and evil laughter, etc. Saruman didn't have anything, unfortunately. They are now trying the same but are just doing it stupidly.
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