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Blizzardboy
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posted April 16, 2018 12:15 AM

Rock me Amadeus, r r rock me Amadeus

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posted April 16, 2018 10:10 AM

I was randomly scrolling through IMDB hoping to stumble upon something interesting for Sunday evening, hit a few war movies with bad-to-terrible reviews and finally decided to watch The Deer Hunter. Classic and all.
All right. Spoilers down below.
First, there is a huge opening which would make sense if this was a TV series of 10 episodes at least but hell, more than 1 hour of some wedding + the soon-to-be-conscripted bunch throw beer cans at each other is really too much. It's not badly made or anything but it could have been compressed into no more than 20 minutes without losing anything substantial.
Then, out of nowhere, the pleasant forest landscape, the iron smelters and the drink-to-oblivion pubs are no more, the village crew is teleported into Nam and even captured by the Reds. They are forced to play Russian roulette but manage to outsmart their captors and shoot them, then escape. Then some crowds happen and... that's it, enough about Nam, go watch Apocalypse Now or Platoon if you need more of it (will be released soon, if you're stuck in '78). Right... So the little bit of actual war is shown quite well, with a lot of skill displayed by De Niro and Walken but it feels like a padding to the rest of the movie. "We needed something to explain why Nick wants to shoot himself in the head and why Mike has become so asocial" kind of thing. Cutting half of the stupid wedding and using the time to show what has happened to these people instead of just dropping them post factum in the middle of the jungle would have worked much better.
The third part is probably the least confused (and confusing) and on its own is quite good. Adding it to the rest of the movie however feels like a rushed final season of a TV series.
In short, you can't shake the feeling that the director wanted to create something much longer, maybe a trilogy, but ended up with an axed, 3-hour long sequence of overly-long scenes followed by overly-short ones. On the other hand the acting is good and despite its storytelling flaws, the movies does manage to create the atmosphere it's aiming at. Not a waste of time but not a masterpiece, in the end.

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posted April 16, 2018 10:49 AM
Edited by artu at 10:50, 16 Apr 2018.

I guess, the wedding was there to portray them as "regular fellas" especially to the local audience, since the subject of the film is mostly what war does to you, rather than the war itself. So, we had to walk through "the before" in detail to sense the wreck that is "after." Walken's character is shattered while De Niro's character gets over "the after" by leaving the war behind by leaving the killer in him behind. (Hence, the deer hunter lets the deer live in the final scene).

I don't remember if the wedding scene felt that long, it's been years since I've seen it. But I do know a lot of movies just do the opposite now, they rush the character development into a formulaic "everything substantial in five minutes" schedule and the result is you cant deeply connect to anything. This leaves you with a feeling of "yeah, yeah, this will happen next and that will happen afterwards, been there." Some movies try to compensate this by twists here and there but that just wont be good enough without heartfelt characters, so such twists end up too many and forced.

I do agree the movie isnt a masterpiece. (Although, I always felt like it may have spoken more to the American audience in a local way, like it was one of those films which depended on social familiarity for nuance and emotional effect.) Yet, keep in mind that a lot of movies back then, had a much slower tempo in general and once you get used to today's, it becomes harder to adjust. I personally can't watch the Europan classics that I was able to back in my early twenties without giving breaks in between now. They feel too slow. And interestingly, when I look at it, I usually feel like giving a break when it's around 45-50 minutes into the movie, just about the length of a TV episode! The issue I mentioned above may also be about this new tempo of cinema, sometimes directly following the TV footsteps of "change scene every 2 minutes to attract intention" rule.
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posted April 16, 2018 11:27 AM

It doesn't do very well for character development because the characters simply hang around and make noise in the first half of the movie and even though that's what real people usually do as well, you don't get much of an impression about them this way. Stretching that over good 70-80 minutes does not achieve anything more than it would have achieved for 20 minutes, it's simply a bad director choice for presenting the cast. Some more actual talk and meaningful scenes and less running around drunk may have done the trick. I've no problem with slow movies, my all time favourite is Tarkovsky's Solaris, yet the "Deer"'s problem is not that it's slow.

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posted April 16, 2018 01:41 PM

to me they seemed like people you'd actually meet in some small town somewhere in the sticks, and how war and captivity had transformed them was damn accurate. mike was the strongest of the three(obviously), so he was able to keep some semblance of his life before the military(not to mention, plan the escape and go through with the dangers his plan entailed). the other two weren't so lucky. i like movies that don't sugar-coat war and what it does to people, let alone to soldiers themselves.

it always made me wonder what kind of president john mccain would have been, being a former p.o.w. who was supposedly tortured.

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posted April 16, 2018 11:29 PM

fred79 said:
tried watching "against the sun". i got as far as the scene where

SPOILER:

the shark was hooked into the boat. absolutely horribly done. both in execution(foodless, weakened man hooks a 5-6 foot shark out of the water with a pen knife and one arm? riiiiiight), and in cgi; especially. that kind of cgi belongs in the bottom-barrel b-movies; not a supposed true story. completely ruined the movie for me. i stopped watching at that point.


Probably the person doing the CGI was glaring straight against the sun.


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posted April 17, 2018 02:13 PM

just got finished watching "you were never really here". interesting movie, to say the least. it's a good kind of weird; it raises more questions than it answers, and that's fine with me. reminds me somewhat of david lynch's "lost highway", in the vibe it sets.

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posted April 18, 2018 07:49 PM
Edited by fred79 at 19:50, 18 Apr 2018.

currently watching "munich".

spoiler alert:

atm watching the scene where the athens safe house was double-booked. i just knew that bond villain from "quantum of solace" was going to be another bad guy as soon as i saw him in this movie.

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posted April 18, 2018 09:36 PM

My favourite Spielberg movie. No childish bull**** and aliens.

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posted April 18, 2018 10:14 PM

It's one of his good ones, yes. But he has a lot of serious films like that or even if less serious, not childish like the ones you talk about. Saving Private Ryan, Jaws, Minority Report, The Color Purple, Schindler's List, Catch Me If You Can...

I also think sometimes his childish side produces good results like Raiders of the Lost Ark or Adventrues of Tintin.
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posted April 18, 2018 10:47 PM

the movie ended up being good overall. now, to check out "dunkirk".

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posted April 19, 2018 12:08 PM

The Adventures of Tintin was pretty good but not great.

It's generally annoying when somebody shows off animation/special effects that won't impress anybody in 5 years. Although there are exceptions. Early 1990s Terminator 2 special effects on liquid metal terminator are absolute kickass. Love that guy.)
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posted April 19, 2018 01:13 PM

Watched Interstellar again. Love that movie.
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posted April 21, 2018 10:03 AM
Edited by Drakon-Deus at 10:06, 21 Apr 2018.

Last movie I watched: Sergei Bodrov's "Mongol". Pretty good.

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posted April 21, 2018 12:32 PM
Edited by Elvin at 12:35, 21 Apr 2018.

blob2 said:
Watched Ready Player One.

A few years ago I would probably get a nerdgasm from it, but at my age the story has a bit too much of Spielbergs naivette and I tend to nitpick on the details.

Still it was a nice nostalgic ride, a solid action movie in it's own right and it had some really breathtaking scenes: the race, "horror" level and the final battle (watched in IMAX to add to the effect).

All in all this could've been greater but it's a nice homage to 80's, 90's and post-millenial popculture.

Same here. It looked great and had some good scenes but I left the cinema feeling mostly indifferent. They didn't do much with the cast, the protagonist was rather terrible and I never really felt emotionally invested in whatever was happening. Maybe because I felt I'd seen it all before, that this movie had nothing new to offer other than the visuals. Maybe because it felt more like a collection of tropes than a movie? I don't know, it just failed to engage me.

Same thing with wreck it Ralph, many liked it but it failed to make an impression on me. I found it cute but that's about it.
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