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The Raid: Redemption.
Was awesome. You'll dig it.
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posted May 19, 2013 06:29 PM |
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Seems like a gritty version of Judge Dredd.
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posted May 20, 2013 10:57 PM |
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I know it's really a late opinion but I finally saw the Hobbit and it's even worse than I expected. When PJ said he's taking it to 3 movies, I knew he was going to take advantage of his old Oscar and new clout.
There is much I want to rant about but since probably all moved on along time back; I'll only vent a bit
Jackson really has no clue about "logistics" as evidenced by Gandalf & DWARVES running from the wargs; those scenes have no continuity and are horribly unrealistic, which leads me to the next grumble.
He obviously didn't give a flying flip if the action could be believable, thus discarding the first rule of fantasy, create the "suspension of disbelief" by real info integration.
Worse yet, in making the Rings he ventured from the Books a few times and the reasons were cinematic & understandable and some even proved a nice alternative. But with the Hobbit? he left the book and never looked back and what he created was Hollywoodish-drivel...he's a convert now.
Also, as Corribus said; he took many successful scenes from the Rings and then blasted them X10 to utter-nonsense in the Hobbit. i.e. Landing on eagles, 7-8 times?, falling/tumbling down cavities/slides...bunches (must be a set-up for the future theme-park-rides) and "riding falling rock" (once was enough) but now we've 2 versions to savor.
The last thing I'll bother with is; he sold-out to the money, (New Zealand .com hosted a DVD extra_. and who wouldn't want to make three more gold-mines ala 3-Rings-result. Well, the milking of far-less material, the creation of horrible filler and the obvious NZ-selling (insert the now famous-single-line-fellowship-walk on top a barren ridge with the South=Alps the back-drop)made it all worse. He plopped the dwarves down on a 100 sq. mile treeless Rohan-site...nevermind.
I can't imagine what is going to be on the extended version, I think I'll borrow it first.
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posted May 20, 2013 11:00 PM |
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Could you elaborate as to how the scenes were unrealistic?
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posted May 20, 2013 11:01 PM |
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He might have gone a leetle over the top 
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posted May 21, 2013 04:17 PM |
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Could you elaborate as to how the scenes were unrealistic?
Ok, but first; at my age I see everything in slow-motion whereas years-back I tended to watch movies in what I would now call now fast-forward.  Silly, but my mood does matter to my perceptions.
First off, I don't mean to offend, there's not a thing wrong if you love the movie and wouldn't change a thing; it is an art & beholder thing afterall. I'll pick a couple of scenes at nearly the same spot in the movie.
"On the way to the "front-porch scene" they meet the "Rock-giants"
1st off, Tolkien had pack-ponies with the group as they climbed the mountain to these scenes and he did it for important & real reasons. If you've ever seen anything about mountain-men, prospectors or armies on the move, supplies are critical for journeys. i.e. Hannibal did not have vinegar in his pocket when they employed it to create mountain-passes to reach Rome. So, before ever getting to the two scenes, PJ's lost...me.
When JRRT injected the Rocky-dudes (he later regretted it) he had them in as a side-show, something to rub the imagination but not a direct-physical-assault, they were not standing on Thorin's foot.
Jackson, has the group riding moving rock shelves that are not merely shaking; he does the exact same move as he did in the Rings in the "Bridge-scene" where Aragorn & Frodo (I think) ride the rock-shard to get to the others. "Lean forward!" 300 pounds tops, shifts 300 tons and I excepted it. But this time? It had to be spectacular, and they rode across a gorge in what we all know should have flattened half the party even if one didn't fall off before hand and of course all were safe and sound. You didn't really think they were toast when Thorin rounded the corner?
To complete the scene, PJ had to add icing onto icing with inventing that Bilbo would fall and hang...exactly as Frodo did when Gollum fell into the lava.
Now we're in the cave. Tolkien had a hidden crack at the back of the cave. That crack led to a tunnel that led to a network of tunnels; that's why it was called the front-porch, not because they had devised incredible tilting cave-floors that look just like the real thing to send intruders down a stone-slide in a swirling motion to drop into a large basket.
There is a reason water-parks allow one slider at a time; it's because 2 bodies can collide and the force of the slide can break bones. Hmm, in this scene we have 14 armed bodies that fall at once, a great distance (or it's not worthy) over hard-rock and everyone lands snug as a bug in a rug. Why would they give a hoot about being trapped, they were all alive: grin:
I'm an old codger that thinks Jackson moved away from setting-up traditional-fantasy to re-creating the Super-Action-Hero stuff, he even had the slo-mo-ninja-camera working overtime to show a million Orc/goblins slipping, falling or hit in every conceivable direction.
Can't wait to see the next. Bet ya dollars to doughnuts Smuag does an invented fly-by as another teaser. I also fear there will be a few spider-webs walking on thousands of spiders.
Btw, there was some very nice work, i.e Erebor was fairly-stunning even if I thought some "dust" would have been AOK, mainly because I don't think of Dwarves as being awesome cave-cleaners. 
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posted May 23, 2013 02:50 AM |
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Well Markkur, at least we agree on one thing: The Hobbit sucked big time.
I said it before you
Well that's something, though I bet we agree on more than just one thing, and...we agree on one of the most important.
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posted May 23, 2013 09:29 AM |
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He obviously didn't give a flying flip if the action could be believable, thus discarding the first rule of fantasy, create the "suspension of disbelief" by real info integration.
He hardly does it for the first time, you can find the same things in LotR as well. Remember in Return of the King where Eowyn brings down some 200 tons elephant by scratching its feet with some toothpick sword? Exactly.
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posted May 23, 2013 09:53 AM |
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200 ton elephant shouldn't even exist because its spinal cord would snap in half (unless there's less gravitational force on Middle Earth )
But okay, apart from me being a smart ass, I get what you're saying, but I guess all of those criticisms put together pretty amount to me viewing the movie as a 9/10 instead of a 10/10. It just isn't enough to ruin the movie for me. But it does raise serious question about what makes a film good. Why did Peter Jackson feel the need, for example, to have the eagles snatch up Gandalf and the dwarves literally at the instant they were falling from the tree? And then, more than that, the eagles are apparently world class basketball players because they proceed to pass them around in their claws with enough agility to make Shaquille O'Neil piss himself with jealously. I mean, why can't they just fly in and snatch them up without acting like an Olympian juggler competing for a gold medal? How many people, coming out the theater, would consider that the high point of the movie? And how many would say their favorite part was when the dwarves were having a conversation in a summer night in the Shire in a hobbit hole? I love all the neat things computer animation can do, but the way they throw it in so gratuitously can sometimes take away from a movie. It's the equivalent of trying to make a birthday cake taste better by adding three times as much chocolate icing, except with a birthday cake you have the liberty of scrapping all the bullsnow excess icing on the edge of the styrofoam plate.
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posted May 23, 2013 10:03 AM |
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Middle Earth isn't really the best place for scientific observations, like most fantasy worlds. LotR (the movies, haven't read the books) is naive but not completely ridiculous and The Hobbit (same as LotR) is even more naive but still not completely ridiculous. The latter has too much running around for my taste though and it seems like Jackson has tried to mix the atmospheres of a book for children with something slightly more serious (LotR-like) and ultimately created a not-very-convincing hybrid. 7/10 is quite enough.
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posted May 23, 2013 10:10 AM |
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6/10 at best. It was over the top repitition of used formulas and the action scenes were practically a computer game.
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posted May 23, 2013 05:09 PM |
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Remember in Return of the King where Eowyn brings down some 200 tons elephant by scratching its feet with some toothpick sword? Exactly.
Very true. I could add Legolas doing that silly shield-slide down the stairs at Helm's Deep and some other stuff too but I think what got to me this time was everything, and <imvho> I mean nearly everything, was stretched far beyond anything in the Rings, as if he knew this was his last opportunity to stun the action-fans.
Like most movies the books are superior to the visual product but with the Rings, I thought he did a fine job for the most part in staying close to the author's intent. But in the Hobbit, once they started on the road, there had to be a battle around every bend and sitting down was verbotten.(sp?)
One other comment, I wonder why PJ and the guy that did the animated Hobbit, that neither one used "the screaming-purse/Bilbo burgling the trolls scene from the book? Seems a better fit than other conjured ideas, like; don't eat them they're...whatever.
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posted May 23, 2013 05:35 PM |
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The screaming purse was awesome to read about but it would come off as excessive fantasy from PJ's films.
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posted May 23, 2013 07:08 PM |
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I think I know what you mean but <imo> even when stretching real-stuff, like fighting, it becomes as much fantasy or "too fantastic" for belief as anything invented.
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posted May 23, 2013 08:26 PM |
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Not sure what happened to the "real" orcs, what happened to the make up artists and the gritty and sexy orc masks, why the **** do we have giant blue goblins/orcs that are 100% "plasticky". Don't get me started on the seriously disabled personality of Azog.
The movie just felt like cheesy pudendum, the only bit that I liked is the Elrond scene, the dwarves were way too comical and the deal with Bilbo has left us and yay he's back n' ****.
It's a children's movie, and I respect it for that, but I was expecting something more serious. Something with the laid back atmosphere of an adventure, something like the Fellowship of the ring when Sam and Frodo are traveling through the Shire, that segment alone had more feels than the whole crap fest that the Hobbit was.
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posted May 23, 2013 09:48 PM |
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laaaaaawl, I watched the Expendables 2. It was so funny seeing Jean Claude as a villain. Was he ever a villain in his old movies?
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@Blizz wasn't he a villain in Timecop ? I think I remember hi beeing the bad guy...I could be wrong though 
Also, I am inclined to agree with Sopranos beeing no. 1 on the list, but The Wire down on 9th ??
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posted June 08, 2013 01:12 AM |
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Currently midnight but I have 3 films to watch before dawn:
-Tales of Asgard
-Conan the Destroyer
-Berserk the movie (part 1 & 2)
Finished tales of Asgard and Part 1 of Berserk, which was great and a somewhat new experience (but they did cut a LOT, but added to the atmosphere I guess, also not a fan of Griffith's uber-gay face)
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Cabin in the Woods = Weirdest Movie Ever
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