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smvuy
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posted May 23, 2009 09:48 PM |
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Those muslims come from countries where being yourself is blasphemous either monarchies ot dictatorships, second christianism has been softened in order to survive, beacuse in the era of illustration it was under heavy fire (french revolution Napoleon and such) but the islam never had to face a stage of heavy criticism in their history, that is why they are as medieval as in their first years.
The cops are not known for being softies, that is why they took that job in the first place. Greece was under muslim control by the Ottoman Empire for centuries, they are not exactly friends each other.
As i said before in all over europe they are seen as scum as a whole for a very good reason, they are agressive primitive and cannot take a criticism. I have family in france and they hat muslims inmigrants, not muslims at all.
muslim is not a race, or a country is a religion dont lose that perspective, and the guy on youtube was speaking not only for britain but for the westenr side of this world.
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posted May 23, 2009 10:02 PM |
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As i said before in all over europe they are seen as scum as a whole for a very good reason, they are agressive primitive and cannot take a criticism..
You either start talking for yourself only, or stop posting at all. I don't like it very much if people talk FOR ME. I am in europe, I am no muslim, but they are for sure not seen as scum.
Take this advice as a warning. If you have problems with other religions, please stay away from HC when you have the feeling to let your hate out of your mouth.
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Jiriki9
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posted May 23, 2009 10:46 PM |
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As i said before in all over europe they are seen as scum as a whole for a very good reason, they are agressive primitive and cannot take a criticism. I have family in france and they hat muslims inmigrants, not muslims at all.
The only one agressive here is you. And I am European, too (as angelito) and i do NOT see any cultural group as scum!!!
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Carcity
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posted May 23, 2009 10:57 PM |
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and the guy on youtube was speaking not only for britain but for the westenr side of this world.
he was speaking of himself and nobody else. is it he that decides what I think, is it he that decides what EUROPE thinks? no he decides what HE thinks and nobody else! Now if some people share his opinion then that's a completely different thing. and I understand what you say about freedom of speech but that doesn't mena you can go and insult an entire religion.
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posted May 23, 2009 11:06 PM |
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It's bad that the police is destroying private property. But I don't think it being the Koran makes it somehow special.
Let me tell you a story, once upon a time there was this operating system called MS-DOS. However, the release was delayed by 5 years because of something like this:
Police officer: "Ok mr. Gates, give me that harddisk!"
*smash*
Cop: "It's ok, just a harddisk, you can find those cheaply I can pay you for that."
Bill: "But it was personal you idiot! I had my undeveloped MS-DOS in there and my passwords!"
(Ok I'm joking but you get the idea  )
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posted May 23, 2009 11:12 PM |
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Some people are like "I wont put anything on top of the bible", -or the Koran- for example..
Their reasoning is that they treat what they consider to be very holy, religious, and meaningful, a connection to their God of understanding, with respect.
Hence, they wont stock porn mags on top of a bible out of respect.
That has a lot to do with personal feelings from having a ***** cop burning that very book which means a lot to the victim.
BTW, I very much dislike people who mess up with their enstated authority.
Hey I just noticed, mozilla noticed how koran is lower cased, but not the bible...
what is the word for those types of people and organizations? infadel? I dont remember, but mozilla must go DOWN they will BURN FOR THIS!!! 
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xerdux
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posted May 23, 2009 11:13 PM |
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Edited by xerdux at 23:15, 23 May 2009.
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/carebear turned on
Sorry, must go and make a thread which apologlizes that we destroyed the small bibles we got in my class and played Inquisitor
On a serious note though. The Bible receives "renewal" several times to fit the modern society. Its time for the Koran and Islam itself to adapt to. To evolve and not stick to laws which would apply during the middle ages.
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smvuy
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posted May 24, 2009 01:34 AM |
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/carebear turned on
Sorry, must go and make a thread which apologlizes that we destroyed the small bibles we got in my class and played Inquisitor
On a serious note though. The Bible receives "renewal" several times to fit the modern society. Its time for the Koran and Islam itself to adapt to. To evolve and not stick to laws which would apply during the middle ages.
THAT WAS MY POINT!!!! if islam wants a place in western society, it must moderate. thing that slowly is happening, but stilll they are very powerful pressure group that want to avoit it.
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kesnar
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posted May 24, 2009 10:24 AM |
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Firstly:You believe that christianism changed in a jiffy?!?
Secondly:Who said they want a place in western society?!?The immigrants go to another country to survive...they are not sent as diplomats...
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posted May 24, 2009 12:06 PM |
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exactly, would you stay in a country where you're not sure you'll live to see the next day or dying by a bomb attack?
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posted May 24, 2009 12:30 PM |
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indeed. still I understand that right opinions do not come from nothing. I live in the "ruhrgebiet" (the high populated area around the river Ruhr in Germany, former important industrial area with a lot of coal mines and so) and we indeed DO have a lot of immigrants here, especially from Turkey and Libanon, and a good number of them are...difficult - enough that it jumps into the eye. There are areas in some towns here, you would not dare to walk through alone in the night as a German, however tolerant and open-minded you might be.
If you come to a country you have to obey that countries laws as anyone else living there! And I think you definitely should respect there culture.
BUT there are still much muslim immigrants an dgerman muslims doing so! They are as kind as anyone else, looking not too different from me or any other "native german" (no, I'm neither blond nor blue-eyed) and certainly not behaving different.
You just cannot say: There are certain groups of muslim immigrants behaving bad, so muslim immigrants are bad and should assimilate or go away.
Also, cultural development partly comes through such things, there are several examples in history, I guess.
And as a German, it is a kind of special Issue to me, since we have it hard to get away that nazi-racist image, and certain "national" () groups make it even harder. I think, an ***hoel is an *******, no matter where he comes from!!!
...okay, just had to get that down, I guess^^ Some certain statements here just made me so angry the last days...I apologize for that
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smvuy
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posted May 24, 2009 04:35 PM |
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Firstly:You believe that christianism changed in a jiffy?!?
Secondly:Who said they want a place in western society?!?The immigrants go to another country to survive...they are not sent as diplomats...
It took centuries to happen... second, if youre moving you bettere behave nice if you dont want to be seen as an invader, there are still countries thaĦt they are not subjecto of attack on a daily basis, most ran away to escape opression, but once they are in europe can happen 2 things 1) assimiliation, softening it islam 2) to insult attack etc etc as they did theone that forced them top leave their homelands.
Now there colud be another reasons to leave and that is Money! at least in france people gets paidt to have more children, and these have lots of them so they dont have to work, at least regularly.
I have a friend, an engineer that comes from Morocco and is a really charmimg guy, and the fellow has softened (her wife is has also a job and allowed her to go to a Gym with their face exposed) I can deal with that islam but no the people that should be put in a time machine and brought to the medieval times wherer they belong.
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kesnar
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posted May 24, 2009 04:41 PM |
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Edited by kesnar at 16:47, 24 May 2009.
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Well I believe that your ideas come from the dark ages....
@Jiriki9:
Well as Greece is the border of Europe to the east and to the north, we too have a lot of immigrants.I also live in a place where many immigrants live too and maybe that's why I don't have a problem with them...I agree that there are places that are like getos and yes I don't go through these place, but I don't feel offensed...
Also, ye they should respect our culture but we should respect theirs and not to want them to be like us...
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posted May 24, 2009 04:51 PM |
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blizzardboy:
Unfortunately, many of them want to change the laws and establish Sharia. And it may be too late for Western Europe.
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But there is more than one Koran in the world. 
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DagothGares
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posted May 24, 2009 04:54 PM |
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Well, the Koran (thought it was spelled Quran in English) still holds a lot of emotional value for them. Doesn't that count for something?
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mvassilev
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posted May 24, 2009 10:43 PM |
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There wouldn't be such an uproar if it was, say, a photo album - photo albums can have a lot of emotional value too.
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Lexxan
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posted May 24, 2009 10:46 PM |
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Charming thread.
I mean WTf?? Some copper destroys a book of some immigrant, and someone else apologises for it? makes no sence.
People should not apoligize for the deeds of others (unless they are resposible for them). There's not use for that.
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posted May 24, 2009 10:47 PM |
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A photo album is only important to a few people. The Qu'ran is sacred to 1.2 billion people and rising, and it's explicitly haram (sinful) in their creed to destroy a Qu'ran. So there's obviously a difference.
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Lexxan
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posted May 24, 2009 10:49 PM |
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That doesn't change the fact that it's just a book. Plain and simple.
What does disturb me is the destruction of someone else's property. No one has the right to destoy someone else's property, even if the destructor is a law official (or rather: especially when the destructor...)
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blizzardboy
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posted May 24, 2009 10:54 PM |
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Yes it does.
Gold is just a yellowish metal. It's soft too, so for purposes of utility, it has limited use. But since it's internationally accepted to have great value, it therefore has great value. Likewise, regardless of what you personally think, if 1.2 billion people deem a book to be important, then it obviously carries greater potential consequences if an officer destroys a Qu'ran as opposed to destroying a photo album.
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