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Shyranis
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posted August 12, 2009 12:17 AM |
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"And no Christian has ever murdered anyone. There have only been pretenders who have."
I'd argue that of most religions.
Same with suicide bombers (who usually claim one religion or another), or people that kill abortion doctors rather than letting "God" make his (or her) judgement. IMHO Murderers are not true members of a religion. Killing is expressly forbidden in most holy works. Even being a soldier and killing for political reasons is not protected under any religion. Wars are the work of stupid people in charge, whether they pretend to be pious or otherwise.
BTW, it's also known that Stalin used to go to confession constantly. Not sure it would do him any good though.
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posted August 12, 2009 03:44 AM |
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Shyranis I have repeatedly tried to explain this, but seems people just put their fingers in their ears and say "Nananana"  . Just like the ones that claim that 'atheism' has done this or that. It is PEOPLE who do it, following their own agenda. Some are just charismatic enough to convince people they are right.
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Shyranis
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posted August 12, 2009 03:48 AM |
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Edited by Shyranis at 04:04, 12 Aug 2009.
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Shyranis I have repeatedly tried to explain this, but seems people just put their fingers in their ears and say "Nananana" . Just like the ones that claim that 'atheism' has done this or that. It is PEOPLE who do it, following their own agenda. Some are just charismatic enough to convince people they are right.
Exactly right. People blame religion or athiesm, but in reality it's pathetic petty politics. TBH most politicians are the last people we should listen to. Unfortunately they tend to be good at pitching things through fear, religion (or forced lack thereof), or blatant lies. That applies to every country. If a politician proudly declares they are a rabid Christian, you can tell they are bold faced liars off the bat. A politician will not hesitate to sell out whatever moral values their so called "faith" professes. And nearly all politicians do it.
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posted August 20, 2009 01:24 PM |
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Apart from that you say "which aren't really there"... well for you they're not. Can you prove to me that they don't exist? No you can't .
Easy question: Imagine I am standing in front of you. We are both alone in a small room. Now I say: "Azagal, here right beside me on my left side, you can see my girlfriend naked on her knees"
How do you PROOVE she is NOT there?
I'm eagerly awaiting your answer on this
I thought I bring back my question again just for the case it was forgotten. Still waiting for an answer
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DagothGares
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posted August 20, 2009 03:34 PM |
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Anyone who claims Christianity commits or sanctions murder is quite simply either a liar or ignorant of the facts.
Well, apparently history is an ignorant liar 
Sorry, but the Bible says who is a Christian and who is not, not you or anyone else.
no true scotsman fallacy.
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Elodin
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posted August 20, 2009 04:26 PM |
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Sorry, but the Bible says who is a Christian and who is not, not you or anyone else.
no true scotsman fallacy.
I'm sorry, but you are seemingly clueless about the who the Bible says is a Christian and who is not. The Bible says anyone who claims to know God but who hates others is a liar.
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1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
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DagothGares
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posted August 20, 2009 04:54 PM |
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but then you'll say killing is right, but murder is wrong and so the definitions of love and hate are being pretty subjective and it's pretty safe to say that your definitions of a christian is a no true scotsman fallacy, because people who adhered to the bible have been known to have killed. No matter what you say, christians can resort to human behaviour and if that makes them non-christians than you fall in the no true scotsman fallacy, which renders your argument void in most situations.
EDIT; I apologise, misread the first sentence that christianity doesn't condone murder...
Thought you said christians never did anything wrong. My mistake.
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posted August 20, 2009 05:07 PM |
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but then you'll say killing is right, but murder is wrong
I don't see a contradiction
This is not a no true scotsman at all mind you. Even if people were "following the Bible" (or so they claimed) and did something against it. Anyone can say anything. I can say I'm playing WoW by playing Counter-Strike (lol), does that mean I'm a WoW player?
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posted August 23, 2009 03:36 PM |
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leviticus 20.
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