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liophy
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posted June 05, 2009 09:44 AM |
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Edited by liophy at 09:49, 05 Jun 2009.
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I am also sorry, that you are nit-picking, because in the process you make stupid statements.
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"fixed template map"
This statement itself is absolute stupidity.
Regardless how simple in construction Jebus is, still it is a template and has nothing in common with a fix map.
I feel stupid just for explaining such an onvious thing...
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angelito
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posted June 05, 2009 11:27 AM |
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I think you just don't get what Salamandre wants to say....
While on jebus, it is pretty obvious how the map looks like (1 big starting zone with native terrain and 3 towns, 1 exit to a big desert), it is not that easy to tell on templates like True Random or ocean's eleven for example.
You may not find exactly the same things on the same spot every time you play, like it is on real fixed maps for example, but the way you play is always the same, like it is on fixed maps.
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liophy
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posted June 05, 2009 11:30 AM |
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Edited by liophy at 11:32, 05 Jun 2009.
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You may not find exactly the same things on the same spot every time you play, like it is on real fixed maps for example, but the way you play is always the same, like it is on fixed maps.
Are you trying to say, that Jebus, as simple as it is, can be predictible as a fix map?
Sure, True Random is a lot more unpredicteble. No comparison at all.
But still - are you comparing Jebus to fix map? Its not serious...
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bloucester
Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
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posted June 05, 2009 09:05 PM |
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Salamandre, I tried the map you posted here.
No offence, but IT SUX BIG TIME.
I consider these 2 hours completely lost. there are towns all over the map and all you do is protect them from the various COMPUTER PLAYERS whose only goal in life seems to be to cast lightning / ice bolt and retreat.
and, archangels attack you from pandoras. real mature.
no roads, no real idea behind the making of the map.
and, most important of all, if i want to play with computer players, i would select single player. i want a battle of wits with a real opponent, not a game of F U with computers. therefore, i'd recomend this to you. try templates like true random, ocean's eleven, midnight mix even.
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Salamandre
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posted June 05, 2009 09:08 PM |
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VS whom you tried it? Vs computer and lost? Heroes is hard if no time to get 30-30 I agree. What for roads? You need roads to know where to go?
Archangels from Pandora, what's wrong with them? Outside a random map, a box is customized. Trying a carefully tested MP map vs computer is exactly as enjoyable as trying a template vs...computer. Except that on template you will not lose to the computer.
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i'd recomend this to you. try templates like true random, ocean's eleven, midnight mix even.
Thanks, I already played the templates and found the idea of starting alone in a corner not much addictive. Guess me and you are looking for different game play.
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bloucester
Famous Hero
MSN can go to hell
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posted June 06, 2009 11:42 AM |
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salamandre, i find your post quite offensive. if you lose against computers on that map, do not expect everyone else to do so. i tried your "great" map with a friend of mine and we both found it abominable after 2 hours of play, when we had already defeated several of the computers and had made the likes of 15 15 10 10.
the thing is, as i already said, i want to play online with my friends, not with some idiot AI.
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bloucester
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MSN can go to hell
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posted June 06, 2009 02:45 PM |
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P.S. Well, at least compkillers will like the map.
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Darmo
Known Hero
True Gentleman
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posted June 07, 2009 10:06 AM |
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This is a noob statement for this thread:
Well I like to play Solmyr (he's beng a big issue)
I prefer magic than might heroes ( i think DD and TP spell is good, faster than Logistic)
Stronghold and fortress is ugly (lack of speed)
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angelito
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posted June 07, 2009 10:34 AM |
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Edited by angelito at 10:34, 07 Jun 2009.
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This is a noob statement for this thread:
Well I like to play Solmyr (he's beng a big issue)
I prefer magic than might heroes ( i think DD and TP spell is good, faster than Logistic)
Stronghold and fortress is ugly (lack of speed)
I respect your opinion of course, but it really hurts to read those lines 
- What makes you think a might hero can't cast DD and fly? (EVERY hero will get offered wisdom during the level-up, even if you deny it, it will come again several times)
- Stronghold and fortress have great speed. You just have to keep in mind, they have their fast units already week 1! And stronghold is the only town which can have level 7 unit day 2!!!
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bloucester
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MSN can go to hell
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posted June 07, 2009 03:07 PM |
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Quote:
This is a noob statement for this thread:
Well I like to play Solmyr (he's beng a big issue)
I prefer magic than might heroes ( i think DD and TP spell is good, faster than Logistic)
Stronghold and fortress is ugly (lack of speed)
Angelito, I think Darmo just contributed to the spirit of the thread. Read more carefully, these are just more options to pick from when selecting the king of noob statements.
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xlnt
Known Hero
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posted June 08, 2009 11:29 AM |
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As promised, i tried the map (with Bloucester). We went all random, i got Kyrre, he pulled Fafner.
Day 1 - picked a stable, minor battles and got air magic from a tree house, day 2 - got a gold mine and upg elfs + tower with fort (i got a cry - "don't open the pandora"), day 3 - got an arena, day 4 - kicked the dungeon comp, day 5 - got the dungeon comp town, build mantis, joined 29 harpies, got elfs dwell. Day 7 - got 2 castles with lvl6 units and 3 rampart dwells, hero is high on arena stats, and has diplo + double movement points than everyone else. No comp dares to even show in my territory - they all go and pound Blo's heroes with lvl 1 and 2 spells : ) i happily jump from arena to arena and get sky high stats, no one shows in my territory - i play against packs of lvl 3-5 monsters...
Result: the dumbest map ever played - on week 3!! we decided to drop it and play heroes 4 just to wash the image of heroes3 being so awful. luckily heroes4 is even dumber : ) so after a promise to never, ever play a fixed map again - we got out of this with just loosing 2 hours of our lives - thanks!
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pacifist
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posted June 08, 2009 11:48 AM |
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Is it the fire campatign map? If so it's of course very easy playing vs the AI at 130% you should try it at 200%  . That way you will have to do harder fights but still possible to build lv6 + castle or in some cases lv 7 in first week. At least the AI poses some threats contrary to the templates where the AI is just neutral monsters and the players meet only after having beaten the map by crushing the AI. But to each one is definition of fun and challenge . It may be a fixed map but you can never know from where the AI will come or even your human opponent (which is your main objective of course). It seems you controlled better the map than your oppponent, so he gets attacked more, you just have to finish him then .
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xlnt
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posted June 08, 2009 12:47 PM |
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Oooh, i'm so sorry, we should've played 200%, so that rampart still gets it's castle+lvl6 and Tower dies with just lvl 1-3... next time, in another life.
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angelito
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posted June 08, 2009 01:51 PM |
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If rampart is able to build castle and level 6 unit, Tower should be able to build nagas too. Maybe without castle, but still...
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liophy
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Bulgarian
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posted June 08, 2009 02:42 PM |
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i suppose xlnt reffers to the problem of collecting resourses, not money. Thats the big issue with Tower, week 1.
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Xarfax111
Bad-mannered
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The last hero standing
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posted June 08, 2009 02:45 PM |
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Peeps that play Jebus shouldnt play maps/difficulties were you actually NEED resource-management.
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liophy
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Bulgarian
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posted June 08, 2009 02:58 PM |
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Peeps that play Jebus shouldnt play maps/difficulties were you actually NEED resource-management.
I agree. But what does that have to do with the toppic?
Salamandre was proclaiming how interesting is fighting against computer on a fix map (compkiller). Then he suggested a map to xlnt, who tried it with Bloucester.
I know xlnt and Blo, and they never play Jebus.
So? Do you have a point, or you make a separate observation.
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angelito
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posted June 08, 2009 04:09 PM |
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i suppose xlnt reffers to the problem of collecting resourses, not money. Thats the big issue with Tower, week 1.
I was aware of that. But Rampart needs 10 crystal and 10 gems at least, while Tower needs 7 of all. Sometimes it is pretty hard to find 10 crystal if it is a poorer map. The gems are hardly an issue due to leprechauns.
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angelito
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posted June 08, 2009 04:13 PM |
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Edited by angelito at 16:13, 08 Jun 2009.
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Salamandre was proclaiming how interesting is fighting against computer on a fix map (compkiller). Then he suggested a map to xlnt, who tried it with Bloucester.
But 130% isn' the right difficulty to play with AI involved. On my last games in gamespy, I often played 2 humans allied vs 6 computers allied games on M maps no under 200%. You can believe me, those are tough things to handle. The big difference is, you may have similar amount of fights first week as if you play without AI, but you mostly play against HEROES, and not only wandering monsters. And this makes everything much tougher.
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zamfir
Promising
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Allez allez allez
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posted June 08, 2009 05:47 PM |
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I stumbled upon this wonderful piece of compkiller adive:
noob.
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