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posted November 24, 2013 04:27 PM |
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angelito said:
Not sure where you got those numbers from, but they are definately not correct.
- assists of Ribery in season 2012/13 were 27, NOT 15
- in current season, he has already 6 assists in only 10 games, while Messi has 4 in 16 games, and Ronald 5 in 18 games.
I checked wikipedia, should not have trust it.
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This season's stats for Ribery, Messi, Ronaldo:
Games(substitions) Goals Assists
Ribery 14 (1) 7 6
Messi 13 (1) 14 4
Ronaldo 18 (0) 25 5
Not feeling Ribery's cause at the moment...
I'm with Vindi here...
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posted November 24, 2013 07:56 PM |
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posted November 24, 2013 08:21 PM |
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And ManU drawing 2-2, with Cardiff scoring in the added time...
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posted November 24, 2013 08:25 PM |
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Well United had half their starting XI missing (Rafael, Vidic, Carrick, Jones, Kagawa, Van Persie), and were away, so that's not too bad.
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posted November 25, 2013 02:03 PM |
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posted November 26, 2013 03:09 PM |
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Edited by angelito at 15:14, 26 Nov 2013.
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The thing about Grosskreutz just isn't true, Piszczek was the starting right back last season and featured in a total of 56 games, Grosskreutz featured in midfield and has had to play as a right back because of Piszceck's injury.
See bolded part. We are talking about this season. And in this season Grosskreutz is the starting right defender (and really not a bad one!)
I haven't heard you saying anything about Dortmunds "bad" defense when they played in the Champions League against Arsenal or Napoli....so they were good enough for them, but for Bayern too weak?...
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As for Durm, he used to be a striker, and was just coming back from a knee injury against one of the best wingers in the world. The only reason he's played 9 games is because of an injury to Schmelzer.
What argument is that? Durm has played all his games for the first team of Dortmund as a defender. Even in his national appearences (U21 etc..) he played as defender this season. So he is very well used to this position. His striker times have nothing to do with the current season we are talking about.
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This season's stats for Ribery, Messi, Ronaldo:
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Ribery 14 (1) 7 6
Messi 13 (1) 14 4
Ronaldo 18 (0) 25 5
Not feeling Ribery's cause at the moment...
First, ballon d'or is not for the season 13/14, but for the whole year 2013. But I guess you know that and just wanted to make your point clear.
Second, I already said you shouldn't compare real strikers with wingers. Next time we compare ball-winning abilities of Ronaldo and lahm who looks better?
That's not what the ballon d'or is about. If so, Iniesta and Xavi wouldn't have come any close to Messi and Ronaldo the past 3 years, right?
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posted November 26, 2013 03:29 PM |
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See bolded part. We are talking about this season. And in this season Grosskreutz is the starting right defender (and really not a bad one!)
Right, that's when I referred to him only playing there because of Piszceck's injury, not for any other reason.
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I haven't heard you saying anything about Dortmunds "bad" defense when they played in the Champions League against Arsenal or Napoli....so they were good enough for them, but for Bayern too weak?...
They had Subotic and Schmelzer against Arsenal (i.e. half their starting defense), and against Napoli they had those two and Hummels (i.e. three out of their four starting defenders), while against Bayern they had zero starting defenders.
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What argument is that? Durm has played all his games for the first team of Dortmund as a defender. Even in his national appearences (U21 etc..) he played as defender this season. So he is very well used to this position. His striker times have nothing to do with the current season we are talking about.
Fair enough, but half a season's worth is still nowhere near enough experience to cope with Bayern, especially not for someone who's 21 years old.
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First, ballon d'or is not for the season 13/14, but for the whole year 2013. But I guess you know that and just wanted to make your point clear.
Second, I already said you shouldn't compare real strikers with wingers. Next time we compare ball-winning abilities of Ronaldo and lahm who looks better?
That's not what the ballon d'or is about. If so, Iniesta and Xavi wouldn't have come any close to Messi and Ronaldo the past 3 years, right?
Why shouldn't you compare wingers and "real strikers" (which Messi and Ronaldo definitely aren't, btw)? Messi drops back into midfield and goes out wide to the right all the time, and Ronaldo starts on the left wing and plays there for most of the game, yet they both have many more goals than Ribery. And the area where wingers are supposed to be better than "real strikers" (assists) Ribery isn't significantly better than them at it.
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posted November 26, 2013 05:43 PM |
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Funny thing, I was thinking it sure was a long time ago there were CL matches, then I check when they're playing again, and it's.. today!
Are you guys up for another round? 
Zenit Petersburg - Atl. Madrid 2 - By the power of Spanish dominance!
Ajax - Barcelona 2 - Viva España!
Arsenal - Marseille 1 - Gunners gun gonna get'
Basel - Chelsea 2 - I don't think Chelsea will let the previous game slide..
Celtic - AC Milan x - I don't think either of these teams are now what they used to be 
Dortmund - Napoli 1 - Must win for our German favorites!
FC Porto - Austria Wien 1 - 
Steaua Bukarest - Schalke 1 - .. maybe a surprise here?
CSKA Moskva - Bayern 2 - I've given up on thinking teams will surprise against Bayern
Anderlecht - Benfica 1 - Benfica has disappointed me
Juventus - FC København x - I wish
Leverkusen - Manchester Utd 2 - Leverkusen will still get second spot though.
Manchester City - Plzen 1 - City is in a different league, literally, they play in England
PSG - Olympiakos 1 - PSG too strong
Real Madrid - Galatasaray 1 - Gogo Real!
Shakhtar - Real Sociedad 1 - would like for a fourth spanish win prediction, but it's hard for me to see happening.
Please join. If some games have already finished, it's up to you if you want to make a perfect guess
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posted November 26, 2013 05:56 PM |
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Zenit Petersburg - Atl. Madrid 2 - Atletico got this
Ajax - Barcelona 2 - Easy win even with a bajillion injuries
Arsenal - Marseille 1 - Hopefully Theo will make his full return
Basel - Chelsea 2 - I don't think Chelsea will let the previous game slide..
Celtic - AC Milan 1- Milan's form has been absolutely awful
Dortmund - Napoli x - Don't see it, not without all 4 starting defenders
FC Porto - Austria Wien 1 - Pretty obvious
Steaua Bukarest - Schalke 2 - Nah...
CSKA Moskva - Bayern x - I'm not
Anderlecht - Benfica x - Benfica has disappointed me
Juventus - FC København 1 - Not in Italy
Leverkusen - Manchester Utd x - If Cardiff can do it
Manchester City - Plzen 1 - City is in a different league, literally, they play in England (really?  )
PSG - Olympiakos 1 - PSG too strong
Real Madrid - Galatasaray 1 - They'll win
Shakhtar - Real Sociedad 1 - would like for a fourth spanish win prediction, but it's hard for me to see happening.
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posted November 26, 2013 06:08 PM |
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Zenit Petersburg - Atl. Madrid 2 - Atleti is on fire this season
Ajax - Barcelona 2 - too great of a difference
Arsenal - Marseille 1 -
Basel - Chelsea 2 -
Celtic - AC Milan x -
Dortmund - Napoli x - this is the golden opportunity for Napoli to kick Dortmund!
FC Porto - Austria Wien 1 -
Steaua Bukarest - Schalke 2 -
CSKA Moskva - Bayern 2 - EZ
Anderlecht - Benfica x -
Juventus - FC København 1 - Juventus NEEDs a victory, they are last in their group!
Leverkusen - Manchester Utd x - I still don't trust in Moyes, sorry
Manchester City - Plzen 1 -
PSG - Olympiakos 1 -
Real Madrid - Galatasaray 1 - Even with CR7 missing, Madrid is just too good for Galata.
Shakhtar - Real Sociedad x -
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Viva Espãna!
It's España
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posted November 26, 2013 06:19 PM |
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Storm-Giant said:
OhforfSake said:
Viva Espãna!
It's España
Ahh sorry, I thought it looked a bit odd. On the plus side, I found out I've the ~ key. 
Thanks for your input so far ^^, I hope Angelito also will join so it's all 4 of us again everyone else is of course also very welcome ^^
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posted November 26, 2013 08:15 PM |
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Well we got one wrong thanks to this:
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posted November 26, 2013 08:29 PM |
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Goddammit
Go Napoli!
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posted November 26, 2013 09:40 PM |
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Holy cow! Ajax - Barcelona 2 - 0!!
Trippe holy cow with barbecue sauce!!! Porto - A. Vienna 0 - 1!?!
Good thing it's only half time results, eh?
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posted November 26, 2013 09:45 PM |
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Watched 1st half of Dortmund - Napoli, Dortmund was the best but for a good portion of time Napoli had the ball and a good number of chances. It was penalty. Still can go either way.
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posted November 26, 2013 10:49 PM |
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Well...
At least Arsenal won...
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posted November 26, 2013 10:53 PM |
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What a disaster (of prediction)
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posted November 26, 2013 10:56 PM |
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I think this is the worst first round anyone of us have achieved so far
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posted November 26, 2013 11:07 PM |
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I was tempted to predict Basel, but thought there was no way Mourinho was going to let Chelsea lose to them again...
Also overestimated Napoli, I've overestimated Italian teams way too much this season, it's seriously starting to annoy me now.
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posted November 26, 2013 11:11 PM |
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You people are clueless. 
Now look. No matter, what DEFENSE Dortmund is playing this year, IF and WHEN they lose, they don't do because they suck defensively, but because they don't SCORE (although they should have). Only exception maybe against Wolfsburg.
Saturday versus FCB - case in point. Today, Napoli - case in point.
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