LA DÉCIMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So **** happy to see Madrid win the Champions after twelve friggin years, took so long!
Edit: And I must say it, RM deserved the victory, Atletico didn't. Dirty fouls, one lucky goal and parking the bus, it would've been a shame if the had won it.
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posted May 31, 2014 03:33 PM
Costa (36), Llorente (18), Negredo (23), Torres (11), Villa (15), Soldado (11).
Who goes to the WC? Yes, an injured Costa, Torres and Villa. Both Torres and Villa had awful seasons (and it isn't Torres first bad one), they simply don't deserve to be there. Jesus christ, just look at what he failed yesterday
Also, Navas out? Navas was fantastic in 2010 WC final, I don't understand why leaving him out when he can be such an important revulsive.
And Juanfran over Carvajal...don't get me wrong, Juanfran had a good season at Atletico and it's more experienced, but Carvajal has been waaay better than him, on his first season on Real Madrid (and this isn't an easy feat).
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As far as I know Navas is injured and that's why he's not going, VdB normally rates him very highly. As for Torres and Villa, they're both very experienced at this stage, I doubt Torres would try to chip the keeper if that chance came to him in an actual game. Llorente hasn't really played with the Spain team and hasn't impressed when he has done, while Negredo's form has been atrocious since Christmas. As for Juanfran vs. Carvajal, from what I can see Del Bosque normally likes his right backs to be more defensive, I expect Azpilicueta to start in any case.
Vindicator said:As far as I know Navas is injured and that's why he's not going, VdB normally rates him very highly.
He recuperated (or whatever the right word is) earlier this week. And the injury can't be an excuse. J. Navas isn't the player that would start the game, he is effectively used as a revulsive, usually getting in the pitch during the second half (on Spain).
Costa is injured (and still for over a week) and it's going too.
Vindicator said:As for Torres and Villa, they're both very experienced at this stage
Tell me for what on earth their experience will help Spain to score goals, because I don't see it.
And it's not like Llorente was a 17 yo player on his first big national tournament, he already was in 2010 WC and Euro 2012, and did pretty damn well on the match against Paraguay. He has as much experience as needed.
Vindicator said:I doubt Torres would try to chip the keeper if that chance came to him in an actual game.
YEAH NO! HE WOULDN'T WASTE THE CHANCE, NO WAY!
Please give me a break
Vindicator said:Llorente hasn't really played with the Spain team and hasn't impressed when he has done
He played a great match against Paraguay in South Africa. Besides, what's important about Llorente is the fact he offers Spain something different, he may not excel with the Titi-taka, but he is one of the very few players in Spain that can make headers (for instance with crosses from, I don't know, Navas) and can help to break teams that park the bus. He isn't supposed to play all games, but help on a few were Spain normaly struggles.
On the other hand, Torres and Villa doesn't really offer something different from Costa...
Vindicator said:while Negredo's form has been atrocious since Christmas.
I do agree here, but Torres & Villa haven't been great either.
Vindicator said:As for Juanfran vs. Carvajal, from what I can see Del Bosque normally likes his right backs to be more defensive, I expect Azpilicueta to start in any case.
On the last part of the season Carvajal has improved a lot on this aspect, just look at Bayern or Atletico's games.
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Quote:He recuperated (or whatever the right word is) earlier this week. And the injury can't be an excuse. J. Navas isn't the player that would start the game, he is effectively used as a revulsive, usually getting in the pitch during the second half (on Spain).
Costa is injured (and still for over a week) and it's going too.
Don't know, maybe he thinks Pedro can fill that role of a fast player who dribbles and comes on as an impact sub, I was expecting Navas to go as well, in place of one of Mata, Silva or Cazorla, but Del Bosque had to have had his reasons for not taking him.
Quote:YEAH NO! HE WOULDN'T WASTE THE CHANCE, NO WAY!
That was 3 years ago, hardly relevant to his form today, and everyone has had terrible misses in their careers.
Quote:but he is one of the very few players in Spain that can make headers
Oh come on, Torres is a beast at headers, he's just as good as Llorente. Not to mention they don't cross the ball that much, so it won't be something that's missing from their game. And I think a player needs a better resume to play for Spain then "had a really good game against Paraguay".
Quote:I do agree here, but Torres & Villa haven't been great either.
Yeah, still better though. And even if they're on par, Negredo has far less experience with the Spain NT than Torres and Villa.
Quote:On the last part of the season Carvajal has improved a lot on this aspect, just look at Bayern or Atletico's games.
Don't get me wrong, I think Carvajal is good too, but Juanfran is also a great player and Del Bosque likes experience over youth, so there you go. I think arguments can be made for both to go.
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posted May 24, 2014 11:31 PM
and commiserations to Athletico 
) and can help to break teams that park the bus. He isn't supposed to play all games, but help on a few were Spain normaly struggles.
