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JollyJoker
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posted June 27, 2009 04:09 PM

What does MUSIC mean to you?

In Frank Zappa's Joe's Garage triple album we hear this in the song Packard Goose:

"Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is the best."

This is of course debatable. Still, since Jacko now beat it to some other place, it may be the right moment to ask:

What does music mean to you? What do you like with music? When do you listen to it? How relevant is music in your life?

For me I can safely same, without music my life wouldn't be the same. I had the good fortune to live in the same house than my cousin, 4 years older than me, who was an avid listener then, in the 60s. She had a small vinyl player, and bought singles like nothing else, and after school, when I was 7, 8, I used to go up to her and just listen. I just LOVED the Beatles and the Stones and the Kinks and the Who and and and...
And it hasn't changed. Music has always been a vital part of my life. Music can move me to tears in its best moments or just to freak out with an unforgettable riff.
Since Jacko is the beginning, take Beat It. What a great song! Great riff, great melody, and what a solo to top it off! Awesome.

Right. So, what does music mean to you and why?

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posted June 27, 2009 04:36 PM

Music for me is a language that describes emotions or feelings, or can even tell a story. The most powerful art is that which doesn't use words to describe this -- that talks directly to your feelings, not to your cognitive brain (the one that interprets spoken language, that is, not visual of course). Just like math is, for me, the language of logic, music is the language of emotion/feeling.

My favorite genre by far are movie/game soundtracks because they are  meant to express what happens on screen, but without words. It is like a language. Lyrics aren't always disturbing this, but if a music can stand on its own and tell the story without english or other spoken language, I'd say it's more of an art




I hope you don't mind if I also say my opinion on that quote:

"Information is not knowledge."
Knowledge is knowing to distinguish information. For instance, knowledge can also be described as "knowing where to look" for information.

"Knowledge is not wisdom."
Of course. Knowledge is power.

"Wisdom is not truth."
I assume he meant Truth (that is, the absolute truth).

"Truth is not beauty."
I'd say this depends on the individual

"Beauty is not love."
Of course not.

"Love is not music."
Again, of course not

"Music is the best."
Possibly.
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JollyJoker
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posted June 27, 2009 04:53 PM

For that quote.
This is to be seen as a row in which the following one is more than the last one.
Information is not Knowledge means that Knowledge is MORE than Information.
And so on:
Information - Knowledge - Wisdom - Truth - Beauty - Love - Music.

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posted June 27, 2009 05:20 PM

how does music beats love?

I could say video games beat love, and most people would say it's stupid, but video games is a form of art, like music.

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posted June 27, 2009 05:21 PM

What does music mean to me? Well music is my life so clearly it means that much to me. Without music, I don't know what I'd do.
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posted June 27, 2009 05:25 PM

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how does music beats love?
Depends on person. From my viewpoint, love is emotion too of course -- it is very hard for music language to express it. However, it can express a lot of different other feelings. If you are a person who is interested in those feelings more, then music "beats love"

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I could say video games beat love, and most people would say it's stupid, but video games is a form of art, like music.
Yes, and people who say it's stupid are just too opinionated.
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posted June 27, 2009 05:26 PM

It's not hard for music to express love. What do you call love songs? Certain songs may also be attached to a particular event such as a romantic one and that could, in a way, express love. What do you think?
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posted June 27, 2009 05:34 PM
Edited by TheDeath at 17:34, 27 Jun 2009.

I think that it's more difficult than that because, for such music to be effective, you need a basic feeling of love or something -- probably doesn't make much sense what I say, but I think it is much harder than other emotions. Or maybe it's just me having a hard-to-get love emotion

(sometimes such music may cause other emotions instead, like nostalgia or sadness (if you lost someone lol) or etc...)
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posted June 27, 2009 05:37 PM

I think it's just that you have a hard-to-get love emotion or something. For me, love songs work a treat and I get that emotion with some songs. I know others are the same. Have you heard of couples that have a song that is theirs or whatever, that may have been playing on the radio at the time of their first kiss or when they first met or something like that? Those kinds of songs can give that love emotion out because it's related to an incident involving love. I don't know if I'm actually making much sense either but let's see what you say about it. lol
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posted June 27, 2009 05:48 PM

Did you know in advance that it was based on their incident, or did it evoke the emotion directly? Because the latter is much more powerful -- it would be like listening to some music and only then watching some video about it (or movie, if it's soundtracks), and realizing "oh **** that's similar to what this music evoked in me ".. That makes it good IMO
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posted June 27, 2009 05:52 PM

It evoked the emotion when I listened to it. That's what I love about listening to music. Anything can happen.
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posted June 27, 2009 07:55 PM
Edited by JollyJoker at 19:59, 27 Jun 2009.

Don't get too excited on that Zappa quote. It might help to recall what Joe's Garage is all about. For better understanding check this:

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe's_Garage[/url]

"Joe's Garage: Acts I, II & III is a 1979 rock opera by Frank Zappa, which tells the story of what could possibly happen if music was made illegal. The album features Ike Willis as the voice of "Joe", a stereotypical garage band youth who unwittingly journeys through the miasma of the music business. Zappa provides the voice of the "Central Scrutinizer" character—a mechanical voice that narrates the story and haunts Joe's psyche with McCarthyistic 50s-era discouragement and "scrutiny."
...The major themes of the story include groupie migration, mockery of Scientology, appliance fetishism, garage bands, and above all censorship of music as an artform (eerily predicting the formation of the PMRC)."

Check the story of the rock opera at the link I gave you. The quote is spoken by Mary, the girl from the bus (the crew snow), in Act 3, when Joe is in prison, playing imaginary guitar notes. (After the quote we witness those imaginary guitar notes - one of Zappa's guitar solos - which sounds like slipping into some drugged state and freaking out.

So, it's certainly kind of a special situation depicted there.


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posted June 27, 2009 07:59 PM
Edited by lord_crusader at 20:06, 27 Jun 2009.

I think everyone is related to the artists that were popular when they were growing up and they change something for the people in one way or another...

for me the music means a lot... is part of my personality, part of my pholosophy, of my way of live my life...

I know that there are people who thinks that my favourite band is just ripoff of the beatles... but I really don't care about that... I care about what they show me, I care about what they help to understand... and I care about them because without their possitive influences my life would be very different...

I'm talking about oasis... I'm 27 years old and I grow up in the 90's that decade was for this forgotten band (specially forgotten in the states), they were a fresh change from the grunge bands, the ugly early 90's popullar rap, and the long hairs and make up of the "metal" bands in the 80's, when the most popullar band was talking about wanting to killing their self... they came and say that they want to live forever... and their were felling supersonic... growing up listen this kind of songs helps me a lot to realize that the life is better if I'm happy and I decide tu pursuit my dreams... thanks to them I start to listen all the great bands in the history, like the beatles, the rolling stones, the stones roses, the who, the sex pistols, you can hear them all in the oasis songs... and they don't pretend to fake they weren inffluence but those great bands...

so for me I can safely said that the music change my lifestyle, and the way I fell about the life in general... the music can change my mod from sad to happy, can brake me down in tears or make me jump in joy... is a very important part of my life

I will qoute Noel Gallagher when he was asked about what were the meaning of his songs

"I don't really know what is don't look back in anger about, but it doesn't matter when you see 80,000 people sing it out loud, huggin each other, for them means something special and that's what it matters"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39NS7h92WcA

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posted June 28, 2009 12:11 AM

Working out, reading, writing, studying and many other things are so much easier if I have something to listen to while I'm doing it. Music helps me move on and not get stuck, I'm five times more effective at almost anything while I have music playing.

There are only 3 bands I've ever really liked.

The first band I found when I was like 8 or something, it was the swedish Industrial Metal band PAIN, I'm still listen to his stuff (only one guy in the band) He always seems to find things to sing about that concerns me. One of my favourite songs of his is about spoiled brats, it's named "I don't care"

Then a bit later I found Linkin Park, lately my interest in them has begun to fade a bit... no actually I don't care about them at all anymore. I don't really understand their message anymore, and the message is pretty important to me.

About a year ago I found the Power Metal band Kamelot and they're all I'm listening to now really. In a few months I've bought 5 of their albums... they're too awesome. The singer has one of the most amazing voices I've ever heard.

And well that's it really, only 3 bands.

Oh right, I like The Darkness too, especially "I believe in a thing called Love"... too awesome song. It's been a while since I listened to them though.
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posted June 28, 2009 09:28 AM
Edited by Rarensu at 10:05, 28 Jun 2009.

Most people believe that music is a construct of the human mind. For the past few weeks I have been toying with the idea that this is a false assumption. What if music is a fundamental part of the universe? It would certainly explain why the brain has an easier time processing information that has music attached to it.

I am an extremely musical person. There is almost continuously either some music playing near me or in my head. I am learning the piano at a speed which shames most professional musicians. If you cut me, music comes out instead of blood. I would waste a wish copying myself a few times so I can be my own harmony when I walk around humming to myself. Without music I would be a vegetable, unable to think or feel.

I like music with principles: classical music, especially Romantic era, music written for films and video games, and certain select examples of classic rock. Popular music has no principles. Most pop stars these days can't even sing, let alone write music. It just goes to show that Average Joe's teenage son and daughter have little brains and no taste.

My favorite piece of music changes regularly; after I listen to it for an hour a day for several months, it becomes engraved in my soul and I don't need to play it out loud to hear it perfectly. It is currently Dvorak's 9th Symphony, which has lasted a surprisingly long time. In the past I have used Mars, Qui-Gon's Noble End, James Bond Theme (Dr. No), To Zanarkand, Funeral For a Friend, One Winged Angel, the Battle of Endor, Suteki Da Ne (orchestral), Morrowind Title, Peron's Latest Flame, Beethoven's 9th part 5, Al-Nadda, Ne Me Quite Pas, Beethoven's 9th parts 1-4, Chocobo Theme (FFXII), Jupiter, The Moonlight Sonata, On the Beautiful Blue Danube, Ride of the Valkyries, and The Soviet March.
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posted June 28, 2009 09:42 AM

Music can be an Experience.  It can remind you of times past, take you to another world, make you laugh, make you cry, make you miss home.  It can teach lessons, entertain, or be just a mindless diversion. So to me music can be many things, if a person lets it be.
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posted June 28, 2009 02:28 PM

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Music can be an Experience.  It can remind you of times past, take you to another world, make you laugh, make you cry, make you miss home.  It can teach lessons, entertain, or be just a mindless diversion. So to me music can be many things, if a person lets it be.


Well put.

Most importantly for me is the way certain parts of music will remind me of different feelings or inspire certain moods in my mind - either tied to specific events, or just because of sounds or melody patterns, that maybe strike a resonance with some other song that I have a relation to. Who knows what the exact mecanism is, and who cares anyway.
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posted June 28, 2009 02:30 PM

As Zappa also said: "Help, I'm a rock."
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posted June 28, 2009 03:05 PM

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My favorite genre by far are movie/game soundtracks because they are  meant to express what happens on screen, but without words. It is like a language. Lyrics aren't always disturbing this, but if a music can stand on its own and tell the story without english or other spoken language, I'd say it's more of an art


But like vocal songs need lyrics, don't movie/game soundtracks require, well.... the movie or the game to express themselves ?

In this sense, they do need spoken language.


In fact I would say that soundtracks are far less suited to 'stand on their own' than regular individual songs.
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posted June 28, 2009 04:01 PM

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In fact I would say that soundtracks are far less suited to 'stand on their own' than regular individual songs.


Well said.
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