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posted July 04, 2009 04:09 PM |
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Because for some reason, she's still very popular.
^^Mature Volcano.
Ok, on a serious note though, Palin largely represents the views that a lot of Republicans have, plus she has the same shallow charisma that Obama has, so it's expected for her to be popular. There was the interview with Katie Couric that made a lot of people instantly dismiss her, but only so many people watch that sort of thing, and some people would remain resolute anyway.
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posted July 04, 2009 05:28 PM |
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Palin appeals to rural soccer moms, who value that sort of thing.
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posted July 04, 2009 07:52 PM |
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Palin appeals to conservatives. Conservatives are the base of the Republican party. The Repulicans wll be handily defeated if they offer another "moderate" candidate. If Palin had not been on the ticket with McCain he would have lost very severely.
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posted July 04, 2009 08:06 PM |
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obama-bama-bama-bama-ma-ma-ma-ma-ma
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posted July 04, 2009 08:13 PM |
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Well, Palin undermined a pretty big part of what mccain stood for, like her being NRA and mccain being someone who requires more check-ups on guns and such, but you know, whatever, right, Elodin?
Anyway, quick question to American citizens: in what way do you think that mandatory voting would change the outcome of elections? Like in last election, someone claimed that if voting were mandatory that the democratic party would be a sure win. Agree, disagree?
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posted July 04, 2009 08:37 PM |
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Edited by angelito at 20:40, 04 Jul 2009.
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I agree she stood/stands for many conservative things a lot of americans favor too.
But don't the american people want a leader who is at least a bit smart? Is able to hold conversations with people who went to school more than 6 years? Has some kind of basic knowledge of things which do not belong to the USA?
I know it is difficult for many (if not most) of the european people to name at least 50% of the states of the USA, while I am pretty sure the other way around (americns name countries of europe) it will be even hard to name 20%.
And we should also see what role does germany, italy, spain or england in world's politics play, and what role do Montana, South Dakota or New Hamsphire play?
Of course it is not about who can name more things of the other's region. For me, it is about interest! I still meet (mostly online) americans who have close to zero interest to things outside of the USA. And exatcly this was my picture I got when I listened to Palin last year. She may be a good candidate for things INSIDE the USA, but for outside.....
And nowadays, I more and more get the feeling, the talent a politician leader has regarding foreign affairs is much more important, because no country can "live" without allies anymore, and of course you need to know how you handle your "enemies", so they either start to stop being an enemy, or at least don't overact anytime soon (North Korea anyone?...)
But I am pretty sure I would have to visit the states and talk to americans first to get a better picture how "you" think and live...
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posted July 04, 2009 08:41 PM |
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I find Palin one of the most unfairily disliked politicians ever.
She is extremely Conservative, yes, but that is not a reason to bash her imo.
I don't know who I should vote to, but I definately wouldn't vote for:
- Hillary Clinton: don't trust her at all...
- Sarah Palin: vehemently disagree with her PoVs
- That zealous mormon guy (and the problem here is zealous, btw  )
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posted July 04, 2009 08:54 PM |
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I happened to like Romney, somehow, though religious bias is not always the way to go and I'm not American (though, neither is lex).
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but...
I have this feeling that presidency is usually a popularity contest where the standing points are glossed over...
I mean, I watched some CNN during the election period around the time I didn't have internet and, well, I kept wondering what the hell everyone wanted. After three days I figured that I wasn't going to find out, unless I'd watch the political debates that aired around 4AM, so what I tried to do was analyse the politician through his speeches, but...
Yeah, nothing, except attempts at inspiring the people, throwing smut at the other candidates, etc. so it was still impossible for me to figure out what his stances would be on any particular subject whatsoever.
Or is it just me?
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posted July 04, 2009 09:32 PM |
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Elodin:
The thing about that is, the Republican base is shrinking. The Republican leadership is hunting for heretics instead of expanding their appeal. If the current trend continues, in 10 or so years, the Republican party will consist of James Inhofe and a few Jesus Camp guys. You'll be able to fit the whole party in a lifeboat - and it'll need one.
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Mandatory voting is a very bad idea. I don't think its implementation would change much, though - if the people don't care enough to vote, then they might as well just pick randomly.
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I have this feeling that presidency is usually a popularity contest where the standing points are glossed over...
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what role do Montana, South Dakota or New Hamsphire play?
I don't know about Montana or South Dakota, but New Hampshire holds the first primary, so it's a major kingmaker state.
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Palin is one of the most fairly disliked politicians ever. She deserves all the flak she gets. She doesn't just get bashed for being conservative - there are many conservatives who don't get bashed nearly as much as she does. She gets bashed for being a female Bush.
And Romney isn't that zealous. In fact, he's rather the opposite of zealous - he keeps changing his position on social issues all the time.
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posted July 04, 2009 10:09 PM |
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Elodin:
The thing about that is, the Republican base is shrinking. The Republican leadership is hunting for heretics instead of expanding their appeal. If the current trend continues, in 10 or so years, the Republican party will consist of James Inhofe and a few Jesus Camp guys. You'll be able to fit the whole party in a lifeboat - and it'll need one.
A problem is Republicans have not been acting like Republicans. If Republicans stick to a conservative platform and candidate they will be more successful. The more like the democrats they become the less successful they will be.
I do not think most of America agrees with many of the things Obama is doing in basically nationalizing banks, automobile companies, and planning a state sponsored health care plan paid by taxing health care benefits of all Americans who have insurance through the companies they work for. When Americans see their taxes go up and energy and goods prices go up from "cap and tax" plan they will qickly turn against Obama dispite his charisma.
But if Republicans have similar poliicies to Obama there will be nothing for them to campaign on.
The last time the Republican party was declared dead along came Reagan and the Republicans swept Congress. What will kill the Republican party is join the move towards socialism.
http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/news/2009/6/15/gallup_poll_democrats_on_a_roll.htm
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The annual poll, released today, finds that 40 percent of Americans describe their political views as conservative, compared to 35 percent who call themselves moderate, and 21 percent, liberal.
What's more, collapse of the Republican Party notwithstanding, the number of people calling themselves conservative has actually increased, from 37 percent last year.
The survey also found that about 22 percent of the Democratic Party is made up of people who call themselves conservative. Meanwhile, just 3 percent of Republicans call themselves liberal.
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posted July 04, 2009 10:48 PM |
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Actually, support for universal health care is about evenly split, and many Americans are angry at the banks and think they should be nationalised.
As for conservatism vs. liberalism, the only reason it is that way is because the right successfully demonised the term "liberal".
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posted July 04, 2009 11:01 PM |
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Anybody can see that the problem the Republicans have right now is that they are losing their support among moderates and libertarians. They don't represent small government at all any more on any front, and their fundamentalist conservatism on social issues is just a complete turnoff to most educated young voters. Add to that that the Republican party can't for the life of it seem to generate a candidate who has both charisma AND intelligence, and it's no supprise that the Democrats completely clobbered them in the last election cycle.
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posted July 04, 2009 11:30 PM |
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And Romney isn't that zealous. In fact, he's rather the opposite of zealous - he keeps changing his position on social issues all the time.
Well, I meant the zealous one... I thought his name was Huckabee.
you know, the Vicar guy.
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posted July 04, 2009 11:31 PM |
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He's a Baptist, not a Mormon. Big difference. And yeah, most Baptists preachers are like that.
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posted July 04, 2009 11:31 PM |
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With how things are going now, I'll be surprised if Obama gets reelected.
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posted July 04, 2009 11:37 PM |
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He's a Baptist, not a Mormon. Big difference. And yeah, most Baptists preachers are like that.
Well, neither Mormons or Baptists are known around here,so It's easy that I confuse those
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posted July 04, 2009 11:37 PM |
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It depends on how soon the recession ends. If it ends soon, then he'll get all the credit and be re-elected. If not, he'll suffer Jimmy Carter's fate.
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posted July 04, 2009 11:38 PM |
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He's a Baptist, not a Mormon. Big difference. And yeah, most Baptists preachers are like that.
Well, neither Mormons or Baptists are known around here,so It's easy that I confuse those
Protestant scum is protestant scum!
EDIT: This is a joke, indicating that to a catholic christian out of ancient Europe, any organisation that would interpret the holy word differently than the pope or the orthodox church, was either a heretic or a protestant. I have a big love for protestants and I do not think they are scum. This is a joke. Thank you.
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posted July 04, 2009 11:44 PM |
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Well, most Protestants do not accept Mormons as actual Christians.
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posted July 04, 2009 11:46 PM |
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Who are the other candidates actually? Apart from Obama, Palin, Clinton (perhaps?) and Huckabee. Please tell me more.
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