|
| Thread: Earthlings |  This thread is pages long: 1 2 · «PREV |
|
DagothGares
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
No gods or kings
|
posted July 10, 2009 04:09 PM |
|
|
|
JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted July 10, 2009 05:54 PM |
|
|
All nice and well, but looks "protecting species" like an idea humans yould have had developed before the 20th century? And now look at the 20th century: wouldn't you say that the first 80 years of it people were pretty busy, first with killing themselves, then later with avoiding that to care much for OTHER species?
That's why I say, realistically humanity has had now 20 years time to actually do something for other species and the world. Not that much time actually.
|
|
TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
|
|
posted July 10, 2009 07:11 PM |
|
|
Quote:
George Carlin puts it more eloquently than I do...
Warning: swearing
Ignorance and arrogance 
He is a wacko without even doing any research, even in "ancient" times.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7555206.stm
Surprise surprise, we CAN take care of ourselves. Pointless argument. HUMANITY HAS NOT GONE EXTINCT, in fact it seems we ARE MORE POPULOUS THAN EVER. We can't take care of ourselves? Kinda unlikely and arrogant argument to be used for "taking care" of other animals when WE extinct them. 
____________
The above post is subject to SIRIOUSness.
No jokes were harmed during the making of this signature.
|
|
JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted July 10, 2009 08:25 PM |
|
|
No, it's just right. Ignorant? You've gotta eb kidding.
Thanks, DG, for the link. You can trust in Carlin saying the right thing.
|
|
TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
|
|
posted July 10, 2009 08:46 PM |
|
|
Quote:
No, it's just right.
Oh yeah? We don't take care of ourselves?
How come we're still here then? And more than ever?
I want arguments, not claims.
____________
The above post is subject to SIRIOUSness.
No jokes were harmed during the making of this signature.
|
|
JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted July 10, 2009 09:08 PM |
|
|
Quote:
How come we're still here then? And more than ever?
I want arguments, not claims.
Shouldn't you be an examople then?
Anyway, Carlin talks about EARTH, not humanity, if you didn't notice.
And we're here because we've been good at surving for a couple thousand years.
|
|
TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
|
|
posted July 10, 2009 09:16 PM |
|
|
Example for what? For taking care of others? Well I haven't nuked anyone yet 
Anyway my point was that, if we are good at survival, and obviously we are not in anarchy but in a society, we actually take care of ourselves. At least MUCH better than animals that we come in contact with and go extinct because of us.
No we don't have to "save the Earth" if we don't want, from let's say, the Sun engulfing it. But saving it because WE made it the way it is (even with global warming, pollution, etc)... that is a responsibility we have to take. You know, we have to clean after our **** like a proper person.
"Neutral", which is not wrong at all, would be if you didn't damage or alter the Earth and then not wanting to save it. Perfectly fine. Doesn't apply to humans though.
____________
The above post is subject to SIRIOUSness.
No jokes were harmed during the making of this signature.
|
|
JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted July 10, 2009 09:50 PM |
|
|
An example for "I want arguments not claims".
I don't see any arguments. Why would humanity have any obligation for anything? Arguments?
|
|
TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
|
|
posted July 10, 2009 10:03 PM |
|
|
See post above.
Of course, it is just used for classifications. It does have such obligation if humanity doesn't want to end up in the following classifications (pick one, or all, I don't care):
- tyrants
- primitive (hey, we have no responsibilities and manners, animals don't either, so why wouldn't we be like them?)
- selfish
- greedy snows
- virus behavior
- dishonorable and/or irresponsible
- evil
____________
The above post is subject to SIRIOUSness.
No jokes were harmed during the making of this signature.
|
|
JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted July 10, 2009 10:16 PM |
|
|
|
I have to say that I think that is actually even worse than Elodin's "arguments".
|
|
baklava
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Mostly harmless
|
|
posted July 10, 2009 10:25 PM |
|
|
We've been good at surviving for the last couple of thousands of years because we couldn't figure out how to wipe each other out completely.
You'll agree it's a shyteload harder with swords and spears than nukes.
Nukes we've had for 60 years and out of that, we've been on the verge of blowing ourselves up about 80% of the time. During the entire Cold War, for instance.
Heavy industry was around for, what, less than 200 years and our ozone layer already has more holes than your average Swiss cheese.
We'll see how we fare.
About obligations, of course we don't have any obligations except those we impose on ourselves. If we were to blow up the planet, no one would punish us.
But that's the catch, are we advanced enough to evolve and care without obligations and horrifying consequences whipping us into it?
____________
"Let me tell you what the blues
is. When you ain't got no
money,
you got the blues."
Howlin Wolf
|
|
TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
|
|
posted July 10, 2009 10:29 PM |
|
|
Quote:
I have to say that I think that is actually even worse than Elodin's "arguments".
He has good arguments. He is wrong on many occasions, but he has good arguments (even though they are wrong).
Actually, I know how biased you are to arguments concerning just human "society". Even though technically speaking, none of the terms (e.g: honor, responsibility, politeness, etc) are dependent on society.
Argument is like this: you are obliged to not kill that person, because if you do, you'll be labeled a murderer, and you don't want that as far as I can see (and deny it, just for example purposes).
replace "murder" with any of the terms in my post above, and "kill that person" with "destroying the Earth" (which we already do that's why we have to "save it", more correct would be "RESTORE IT").
____________
The above post is subject to SIRIOUSness.
No jokes were harmed during the making of this signature.
|
|
JollyJoker
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted July 10, 2009 10:36 PM |
|
|
Quote:
Quote:
I have to say that I think that is actually even worse than Elodin's "arguments".
He has good arguments. He is wrong on many occasions, but he has good arguments (even though they are wrong).
That's what I say. Your arguments are wrong as well, but bad at that.
|
|
mvassilev
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
|
|
posted July 10, 2009 10:42 PM |
|
|
Baklava:
But there are consequences - unless you don't care if land become desertified and the coasts flood.
____________
Eccentric Opinion
|
|
baklava
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Mostly harmless
|
|
posted July 10, 2009 10:59 PM |
|
|
That's about the ozone holes. Those are the things that will whip us into evolution.
I was talking voluntary mental evolution, such as how we'll treat our fellow man, other living creatures etcetera. That's what the documentary's primarily about (or at least it appears so... Haven't watched it).
|
|
DagothGares
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
No gods or kings
|
|
posted July 10, 2009 11:41 PM |
|
|
Thing is... The earth doesn't need saving... All matter will remain the same on earth through Lavoisier's law and it will start all over, once we die, because we will die if we 'destroy' earth, which we are pretty incapable off... We are just small critters scratching at the surface to the earth. It really would hardly care...
____________
If you have any more questions, go to Dagoth Cares.
|
|
TheDeath
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
with serious business
|
|
posted July 10, 2009 11:45 PM |
|
|
Well IMO the correct term isn't "saving" but "restoring". And I'm not talking restoring to perfect state, but to the balance before.
____________
The above post is subject to SIRIOUSness.
No jokes were harmed during the making of this signature.
|
|
xerdux
Bad-mannered
Famous Hero
|
|
posted July 11, 2009 01:30 AM |
|
|
|
I have made my parents only buy meat etc from nordic countries (except Denmark, they torture their pigs). The next step is for them to buy ecological food only.
|
|
Jiriki9
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Altar Dweller
|
|
posted July 12, 2009 08:34 PM |
|
|
|
I've turned to eating ecologically produced food (or I hope thats the correct english term, in germany we say "Bio-Nahrung", word for word it would mean more "biological food", but that's in fact obvious for most food^^)...
|
|
|
|
