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posted July 15, 2009 11:48 AM |
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do you have a reason to feel guilty about murders you didn't commit?
I wouldn't call the feeling guilt. I would just start thinking that many people died because of me and that I'm too worthless person for that.
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Would you give a crap about YOUR property if someone comes in your house and breaks/steals a lot of stuff and then says up front "I did this to save my brother's life man!"?
He can say what he wants, it's up to me what I believe 
Stealing stuff is exposing. And so is randomly breaking all kinds of stuff around.
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What if 5 more people do it the next days?
I would kick their ass. I wouldn't take it as coincidence.
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mvassilev
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posted July 15, 2009 04:39 PM |
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Whether I'd go to the moon depends on my financial situation at the time. If I didn't have much money, then I might. Otherwise, probably not. It's not really my thing.
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DagothGares
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posted July 15, 2009 05:29 PM |
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Your friend now takes a flare gun and kills the three people, takes the life vests and lets the rigged boat into water. He throws you a vest, puts on one himself and says "Come on, let's leave this mess."
I'm pretty sure my autistic tendencies would not allow me to go... **** my friend
About the moon-thing: I'd go, but I'd be only of significant use, should the crew consist of people who speak indo-european languages 
Anyway, I'd take the chance and there is a possibility I'd stay.
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blizzardboy
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posted July 15, 2009 05:46 PM |
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I don't see how jumping on the lifeboat would make me morally accountable for the crime as well. I wouldn't just let myself die so I'd jump on, and then restrain my former friend as soon as possible and turn him into the authorities. Legally speaking, if jumping on technically made me an associate, it's still far preferable to drowning.
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JoonasTo
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posted July 15, 2009 07:06 PM |
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If your best friend was of the same sex, how would you react?
Wouldn't belive it at first. When I did I would be disgusted by him.
If your best friend was of the opposit sex, how would you react?
That would be irrelevant to me.
Later your and your friend is in a public place, and somehow the word has gotten out. Now they are being picked on. Do you stand up for your friend? What if you and they would be greatly outnumbered?
Picked on? Just words? No. Violence? Yes
They call you late at night and need picked up at a gay bar. Do you go?
Yes.
The friend that is the opposit sex gets way drunk and makes advances on you. What do you do?Play along. Not anything serious, just some teasing and kissing. These are always fun when they sober up. And go all "I did not! OMG! Did I? *facepalms and starts laughing.".
It is something minor (like they had to break into a car to save your life, or a house)Stay quiet.
If it is something not so minor (they had to kill somebody (not self defense) to save your life)Stay quiet.
It was something major (3 or more people died so your friend can save your life).Stay quiet.
No. Would not leave for the moon.
Yes. Would get on the life boat.
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posted July 15, 2009 07:40 PM |
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The question isn't, whether to go onto the lifeboat.
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posted July 15, 2009 08:58 PM |
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Mankind has found a way for life to be substainable on the Moon. Anybody who is interested can try to pass the training and become one of the first Pioneers.
You would get...A huge piece of land on the moon.
A large salary for the first year.
A house on the moon.
After 1 year you can return to earth OR stay on the moon..but if you leave all you keep is the 'salary'.
You would have to do the work required of you.
Assume you can past the training..do you sign up?
I would make an elaborate plan to blow up whatever "owned land" is there on the Moon (not the land, but the respective properties). (really) Maybe conceal some type of small nuke or something. Or actually make it there on the Moon, assuming I have the tech.
No one owns the Moon 
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I want to probe a bit deeper here. Let's see.
Ship accident, ship is sinking. Last lifeboats have left, you are standing helpless on board, frightened, not knowing what to do, confused, dumb-shocked. Your friend spies three people, apparantly a family with one man, one woman and a 10-year-old child, with life-vests, rigging something like a small lifeboat from livesavers and wooden crates.
Your friend now takes a flare gun and kills the three people, takes the life vests and lets the rigged boat into water. He throws you a vest, puts on one himself and says "Come on, let's leave this mess."
Your turn.
I would question him like "What the **** did you just do, you freaking *******.", take the vest, and probably get in a fight with him. Unless I don't freak out (because of being disappointed in him), I would tell him I don't want to see him ever again, and what he did was despicable. I can sense if he wants to revenge on me
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posted July 15, 2009 09:32 PM |
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Detonating nukes on the moon. That won't have any backlash or anything.
What do you mean nobody owns the moon  ; somebody is going to own it eventually. Why do you have to poop on people's parade?
@Joker: I'm not sure what the gist of the question is if it's not about the boat.
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TheDeath
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posted July 15, 2009 09:39 PM |
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somebody is going to own it eventually.
Not on my watch
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posted July 16, 2009 02:05 AM |
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He was trying to make it a moral delima (about the boat), and did a decent job. Except that not taking the equipment after the fact would change nothing. It was based off of the question about if your friend saved your life and killed 3 people would you turn them in. Except in this case your friend would be also saving himself.
Lets switch this around a little to make it a bit harder of a moral delima. A little suspension of disbelief will be required, just as a warning.
You are knocked out and wake up in a warehouse chained down to a chair, a box with two buttons is in front of you..one green one blue. On the otherside of the warehouse (out of reach) is the person you most love and three children.
A huge clock is above them counting down, and from speakers you get instructions. Push the green button and the person you love most dies, but the children (and you) are set free. If you push the blue button the children die but you and the person you love the most will be set free. If you fail to push either before the clock runs out everybody (including you) dies. Assuming there is no other way to escape..which button (if any) do you push?
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posted July 16, 2009 02:10 AM |
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Yeah, those kids are definitely dead...
Though, since I don't think I could live with myself and neither would that person, so I think we'd all die, then the psycho jiggsaw wouldn't get any kicks out of that as well
I might consider saving those children, but... Nah, that means I value life over other life and that isn't right... No, not at all.
I usually tend NOT to do something smeone wants to force me in dying. you can make me do a lot of things with reason (or rewards, thank you very much for that cookie, sir), but other things... Nah, don't work.
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posted July 16, 2009 02:46 AM |
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that's a hard question
I think I would save the person I love. this means 3 children die, which is worse than 1 girl, but better than 5 people
does that make me a murderer? it's not like I want the children to die, but I suppose I don't know them, or their families?
btw, that reminds me of the 2 boats in the dark knight.
by pushing the button, do YOU kill 5000 people, or do YOU save 5000 people? by not pushing it, do YOU kill 10000 people?
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TheDeath
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posted July 16, 2009 02:47 AM |
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That sounds like some sort of Joker scenario
I would probably choose the person I love the most, simply because 3 children ain't gonna help me in revenge on the wacko who did this.
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posted July 16, 2009 03:25 AM |
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Do I know these children or are they just some random kids off the street?
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posted July 16, 2009 03:45 AM |
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Do I know these children or are they just some random kids off the street?
Was there a point in asking that question because we already know your answer.
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posted July 16, 2009 04:22 AM |
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Random, never met/seen them before.
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mvassilev
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posted July 16, 2009 04:27 AM |
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Then I choose to save the loved one.
(Although if the person who captured us knows what he's doing, he'll lie and me choosing to save the loved one will actually do the opposite.  )
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DagothGares
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posted July 16, 2009 05:23 AM |
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Reminds me of the woman during the time of WW2.
Nazis entered her house and took both sons. they asked to pick one or both would die. She chooses one, after being severely pressured. the nazis (or whatever) say there was a small misunderstanding and shoot teh one they pointedat, making her instantly lose both her sons...
Ah, those were the days....
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posted July 16, 2009 07:49 AM |
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The question about the boat was, whether to turn in the friend or not. However, there is more to it than that. While it should be clear that it makes no sense, morally or otherwise NOT to go on the lifeboat, that's where the problems start, because quote obviously your "friend" just outed himself as a dangerous psycho (which is what everyone should see here). He just killed a family, cold-blooded, and while he seems to think you are his friend, currently, there is the fact that you are witness to three murders. He can be rather cool about it, because you have no proof for this, and if you go to the police everything might happen, from him killing you to turning the table and accusing YOU having killed those people. Moreover, if something happens to the lifeboat, should it dissolve or not fit to carry TWO persons, chances are he'll leave you, kill you, whatever it takes to survive.
That is, for me at least, the real dilemma in that situation - is it a possibility that YOU kill HIM and afterwards go tell the police about it or not.
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The push-button dilemma: I'd hope that this was all a social experiment (only) which would give a little hope that my choice wouldn't be that consequential. In any case, I would try to not feel guilty here because it actually isn't my choice, whatever I do or not, if this is for real people will die, no matter what. Can I sacrifice my love? No, not possible. Sure saving the children sounds fine in theory, and they would be thankful and all, but I don't owe them anything - it's not my fault they are in this dire straits, and if I press the button in the end it's not me who kills them.
With the way things are in reality with my love, I'd probably save her, and after that we'd try to find the beasts who were responsible for that to skin them alive.
However, in theory (which means, generally spoken) there is a snag. Saving your love does make sense only if we both will be able to get over it and continue with our lifes. This is pretty important. It may well be that she (I'm a man) wouldn't want to live with a thought, like, because of her 3 children died. She might not kill herself or something, but it might well be that we would part soon after this event because we just couldn't face each other anymore.
In this case I MIGHT sacrifice her. Since that would certainly kill me emotionally it was clear that there wouldn't be much to do anymore EXCEPT trying to find those responsible and make sure to free the world from that scum.
Variant for the dilemma: Doing nothing will only kill yourself (it is important that DOING NOTHING - not pushing any button - is, what wil kill yourself).
Any change in opinion someone?
I have to admit that this is rather tricky. I have no idea what I would do, but I suppose, in reality a lot of people would just be fatalist about it, since it was the easiest to do - just wait, wait, wait, hoping against hope, then while the time runs out, thinking always more frantic, with some short-circuiting about it. But that's a guess only.
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posted July 16, 2009 09:08 AM |
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No, I wouldn't turn my friend in still.
I would kill the three kids.
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