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posted July 17, 2009 01:35 AM |
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I'd kill all the animals in the world to save one human life.
I'm not quite sure God would like that. Especially with the, you know, ecological catastrophe that goes with that.
Unless you don't believe in ecology. Or classify it as a vile socialist plot to draw people away from the right values.
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posted July 17, 2009 02:07 AM |
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That's why when most people talk about natural selection in reference to humans living in modern society, they aren't being literal - they're referring to "natural" evolution of attitudes and methods. The more successful ones are the ones that get taught to the next generation.
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Heh, even I wouldn't do that. Killing all animals to save one person would end up killing a bunch of people.
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posted July 17, 2009 08:03 AM |
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No, of course not. Killing all animals in the world doesnt make any difference because we are Gods favored nad chosed ones. Killing all animals wont affect us in anyway. Animals were created to serve us. Yes, we must exterminate all animals on Earth (and beyond) to become the true and only owners of this planet.
Ecology? A stupid word that the atheist has invented. Obviously there isnt any supposed "ecology".
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posted July 17, 2009 05:04 PM |
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Killing all animals to save one person would end up killing a bunch of people.
Since when did logic enter into this discussion?
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posted July 17, 2009 05:47 PM |
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Edited by Elodin at 17:49, 17 Jul 2009.
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Motivations were more political than anything else, and so it happens that private entrepreneurs went there. Also, those 'oppressive socialist states' in Europe were among the first to introduce freedom of religion in the world.
And the rest is pretty pointless. Americans were mostly Britis immigrants who went there for all sorts of reasons. Hence...
you are our children n a way and we are quite fond of you...
Errrr, America is children of an abusive parent maybe. There was religious oppression. You know, the state forcing children to be taught the state religion so people fled to America to be able to worship freely and teach their children their own religion.
And the parents seem mostly old and defenseless now. Depending on America for most of their defenses.
Is there still freedom of religion in Britian? I thought Christians who evangelize in Muslim neighborhoods are prosecuted for hate crimes now. While Muslims are free to eveanelize in Christian neighborhoods. And Muslims have Sharia law in parts of Britian. Hmmmm.
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I'm not quite sure God would like that. Especially with the, you know, ecological catastrophe that goes with that.
Oh I'm quite sure God places human life above animal life. 1 human life is of far more worth than the sum total of all animals that will ever live.
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posted July 17, 2009 06:03 PM |
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Oh I'm quite sure God places human life above animal life. 1 human life is of far more worth than the sum total of all animals that will ever live.
There we see again what kind of a retard god is 
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posted July 17, 2009 06:09 PM |
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Oh I'm quite sure God places human life above animal life. 1 human life is of far more worth than the sum total of all animals that will ever live.
I'm pretty sure God loves all his runty children just the same. He kills them just the same, anyway.
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There was religious oppression. You know, the state forcing children to be taught the state religion so people fled to America to be able to worship freely and teach their children their own religion.
That wasn't in Europe...
You might make a case saying that it happened in countries that followed the vatican or the anglican banner (only the UK), but all others... Nah...
Where do you think protestantism originated? if Europe was so oppressive then why was Martin Luther and his followers able to survive for two hundred years, before the French revolution?
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And the parents seem mostly old and defenseless now. Depending on America for most of their defenses.
Against?
Three euro-countries have nuclear weapons, by the way. Did you know that?
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Is there still freedom of religion in Britian? I thought Christians who evangelize in Muslim neighborhoods are prosecuted for hate crimes now. While Muslims are free to eveanelize in Christian neighborhoods. And Muslims have Sharia law in parts of Britian. Hmmmm.
Too much PC-police overe there, can hardly blame them, anyway. And, well, if stoning of the lethal kind goes unpunished in Britain, then I am a purple monkey.
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posted July 17, 2009 06:17 PM |
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Against?
Three euro-countries have nuclear weapons, by the way. Did you know that?
3?!What other country than France and UK?
Unless you mean the US nuclear weapon bases, in wich case 5 euro countries have them 
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posted July 17, 2009 06:20 PM |
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I count Russia as one, shhhht 
Their capital is on our mainland, so it should count
And if it only counts half, then Israel can be another half, sinceit's a european child as well
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posted July 17, 2009 06:24 PM |
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We don't know for sure if Israel has Nukes.
Well, maybe Russia counts but I count Russia as one of the main threats
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We are getting off topic but that doesn't matter since alot of OSM threads go Off topic with religion S anyway
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baklava
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posted July 17, 2009 10:04 PM |
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1 human life is of far more worth than the sum total of all animals that will ever live.
You still do not appear to understand the term "ecological catastrophe".
In short, they, uhm, kill people, as MVass put it.
On another note you could be one of MVass's trolling accounts. Would fit the bill quite perfectly, he first tried out a commie freak and now a religious fanatic. Maybe a part of his campaign of showing the world how his liberal capitalism is the best.
If I were him, I'd do that.
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posted July 18, 2009 01:29 AM |
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1 human life is of far more worth than the sum total of all animals that will ever live.
You still do not appear to understand the term "ecological catastrophe".
In short, they, uhm, kill people, as MVass put it.
On another note you could be one of MVass's trolling accounts. Would fit the bill quite perfectly, he first tried out a commie freak and now a religious fanatic. Maybe a part of his campaign of showing the world how his liberal capitalism is the best.
If I were him, I'd do that.
First you have no cause to all me a troll or a religious fanatic. And I am devinately not a liberal.
Second, you said, "A goat has a much higher level of consciousness than a fetus anyway. And a goat also has the right to live."
I disagree that the life of a goat is more valuable than the life of a baby. I'm sorry we have very fundamental differences in our value of human life.
I'm a vegetarian and even I would never say the life of a goat is more valuable or even as valuable as the life of a baby. Yes, I hold that one human life is more valuable than the lives of all the animals that ever lived. You say I am a fanatic for believing that. I say you are a fanatic for saying that goats have a right to live and babies do not.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/baby
baby
1. an infant or very young child.
2. a newborn or very young animal.
3. the youngest member of a family, group, etc.
4. an immature or childish person.
5. a human fetus.
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posted July 18, 2009 01:32 AM |
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Elodin:
FYI, what Bak means by "liberal" is the real meaning of "liberal" - not the twisted meaning held in America.
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posted July 18, 2009 07:11 AM |
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Edited by Mytical at 07:20, 18 Jul 2009.
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Another religious debate thread, and Anti-American sentiment to boot. Yay.
Religion. Neither side really has any proof, and relies on 'faith' (of one type or another) to decide if they believe or not. Which is fine, that is their right. Yet the discussions seem to center around Christianity, when it reality there is SOOOO much more. These are typically categoriesed as either pure fantasy, or mythology, because they are a little 'out there'. The CORE belief is overshadowed by the fringe. Let me explain.
The Native Americans (or at least a few) have a belief that everything has a spirit. From stones to man, and everything in between is connected through this spirit. They told a lot of stories to explain this, with good morals. Because these stories were mostly just that, stories, and that everything having a spirit made man not 'unique' it was not very popular and dismissed. Yet the core belief that everything is connected and we should respect ALL life, however is one that should never be forgotten.
Do I not eat meat because I respect all life? No. I eat meat. I would even hunt to gather my own food. Because life must go on, it is the way of the world.
There are so many different beliefs, not just Christianity. Now as to the main question. Yes I think it does. A deep respect for our fellow man is absolutely the next step that we as a society need to take. As long as skin color, sex, place of origin, or the like cause contention I believe mankind will never reach their true potential.
Religion can be a uniting force as well as a dividing one. As long as we don't let the smoke get in our eyes. Forget the fringe, there will always be things on the fringe, but focus on the CORE. Don't let the overly religious, or overly anti-religious, decide for you. If you decide on your own what is best for you, I say bravo and while I will argue with you (till the cows come home and we are blue in the face) I will RESPECT you. The minute you try to FORCE me, or tell me "Mine is the only TRUE way." and can not prove it with something OTHER then words in a book then you loose that respect from me and we are done discussing. Because to me that is the fringe, the window dressing.
Religion has it's place in the world today, maybe now more then ever. There are a lot more questions then answers, but it seems people have stopped looking. Either they think it is not worth it, or they think they already know the answer. ((Sorry Shiny things Sydrome struck, going to try to expand on this ))
The reason religion has it's place in the world today is because that it leads to some deeper questions about our place in the universe. A searching if you will of why we are here, and our role. Religion does not have to be 'Will I go to a bad place if I don't do this or this." but can be 'Is there something beyond this mortal coil, and if so what. How do we strive to become something MORE?' People tend to look to the negatives, without noticing the positives.
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posted July 18, 2009 07:17 AM |
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Anti-American sentiment to boot
If you're talking me then I apologise.
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posted July 18, 2009 07:20 AM |
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Nah more toward the Quote:
not the twisted meaning held in America
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DagothGares
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posted July 18, 2009 07:23 AM |
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Haha!
He means that the term liberal has a very negative connotation in America
Also, the term has a different meaning to Europeans in general.
(which makes more sense in an etymological way)
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posted July 18, 2009 07:32 AM |
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Oh I don't consider it racist or anything (thus why no penalty ). Anyhow this is way offtopic, lets get back to the topic at hand
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posted July 18, 2009 07:51 AM |
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I wasn't being derogatory towards America - I just meant that the term "liberal" changed its meaning in America and didn't in most other places.
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posted July 18, 2009 07:22 PM |
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STOP IT. ALL OF YOU!!!!!
I go away for five minutes and look what happens to the thread. it ends up going so far off topic, Get back to it, now, before I get the rolling pin out!
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