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posted August 14, 2009 07:30 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 19:36, 14 Aug 2009.

Obesity (Long series of images within)

Percentages of Obesity in the US:

















































Source: Center for Disease Control and Prevention



And here's a global chart from 2005 for a larger picture:



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Well it's obvious that the world is getting fatter. The U.S./Saudi Arabia is in the red with a diet of lots of fat and starches combined with less and less exercise. Europe also porks down a good amount of fat + easily the most booze in the world, but they eat less artificial starches and are required to walk more than the typical American, so they're trailing behind in the orange, but still pretty high. Then Japan and S. Korea are the single two 1st world countries that stand in the safe yellow zone along with most of east and south-central Asia.

Asia is doing something that other people really should be doing. Obesity has a plethora of health concerns attached to it, more so than the commonly known heart problems, so this is something that really should change. Question is, how the hell do we do it?

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posted August 14, 2009 07:42 PM

Stop eating such ridiculous portions. I go to a restaurant and order something, and they give me something that there's no way I can eat in one sitting. But many people order more, and manage to eat it too. And then they become fat.
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posted August 14, 2009 07:45 PM

Well yeah, I agree with you there. I can go to a restaurant starving and there's still like a 75% chance I won't be able to finish it.

Of course, the immediate personal solution is to take responsibility and be more careful with what you eat and try to get more exercise. But on a government and societal level, how can these changes be encouraged (or enforced, depending on your views)?
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posted August 14, 2009 07:50 PM

Each person has to decide what to do about it himself. The govenment should not try to impose an exercise regiment or to control the diet of the population.

I think a large part of the problem is that more people now work jobs that do not require exercise. They are sitting at a desk or mostly standing in one plaace for a long time with little actual exercise.

There is a furthur problem with commute times. Cities zoning businesses out of neighborhoods are one cause of this. Now people have to get on a road with bumper to bumper traffic and sit in their cars for long periods of time. Thus between work and commute there is not much time for exeercise on week days.

Europe has more public transportation in general than the US and thus the walk more to get to the bus or metro station. Certain large US cities, mostly in the East have  decent public transportation systems but most don't.

Many public schools in the US no longer allow physical exercise in schools becuase someone has to win and someone has to lose when you play a team sport, tag, or other games. And losing is considered a bad thing that will sacr a child's psyche forever by the leftists who control the public educatin system. So to avoid liability from lawsuits recreation is not very active.

Many parents allow their children to sit in front of the computer or TV all day instead of requiring them to get up and do something more active. It seems they can't be bothered to parent their children.

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posted August 14, 2009 08:00 PM
Edited by TheDeath at 20:00, 14 Aug 2009.

Yeah. Ban fast food and junk food. Capitalism won't like it, but proper solutions are always anti-capitalistic
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posted August 14, 2009 08:03 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 20:03, 14 Aug 2009.

Could you go into moderately more detail about what would qualify as junk food, or what scale would you follow for people to met? You don't have to be unrealistically detailed since I know you're not a nutrition expert or anything, but just some guidelines.
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posted August 14, 2009 08:04 PM

You know, chips, stuff like that. Not sure how to say it in english except for "junk food".
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posted August 14, 2009 08:08 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 20:09, 14 Aug 2009.

I eat chips sometimes and I'm lean. Wouldn't it be better (through an authoritarian mindset) to have mandatory exercise sessions, and/or to calculate your daily calorie intact?
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posted August 14, 2009 08:11 PM

Oh noes. Fat people are snows -.-

SO? Let people eat if they want too. I dont care if anybody is fat or not. Many people aren't willing to lose weight and like to eat.

Im not overweight but that doesn't mean I go out and run like an idiot in the forest every day or think screwing around with a ball is fun. Rather, I have zero muscles and a little bit fat on my stomach and legs and with dark stuff under the eyes (due to thin skin, I believe) so I look like a mass murder. >.>

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posted August 14, 2009 08:11 PM

Mandatory exercise requires some form of checking that you do perform them. So it's more invasive.
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posted August 14, 2009 08:12 PM

There's nothing wrong with junk food in moderate amounts. No need to be a dictator. If people want to be fat, let them - as long as businesses don't have to accommodate them if they don't want to.
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posted August 14, 2009 08:18 PM

We had a fat threadalready.

But yeah, people should be able to eat what they want.  What they shouldn't be able to do is make the rest of us pay for their healthcare.  Which is why the government shouldn't be footing the bill for healthcare.

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posted August 14, 2009 08:19 PM

@TheDeath: Banning junk food means millions of lost jobs in the world, and a whole category of foods cut off. With mandatory check up's you would be taking up people's time, but at least they could still have that wider variety of foods if they please.

@Mvass: But restaurants and grocery stores hardly want to turn down obese customers. Except at buffets, they're some of the best customers to have. Now insurance policies is different...
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posted August 14, 2009 08:20 PM

one question

why are we sitting here discussing this when we can stop ourselves from being part of the problem?

end discussion, close the browser, go outside and have a good solid walk for about 30 minutes.





what are you waiting for, a cookie?! DO IT!
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posted August 14, 2009 08:24 PM

a walk? 30 mins? What will that accomplish?

Go cycling 5 hours and try to maintain at least 25 km/h average speed. There, that's more what I like


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posted August 14, 2009 08:29 PM

That is wel and good to say fat people should not be covered by insurance, but what else should insurance not cover? If you get a sexually transmitted disease should that be covered? If someone gets a sports injury should that be covered? If a person trips over his own feet and breaks his leg should that be covered? If you don't exercise should you lose health care coverage? Should an agent of the insurance co/government inspect your house weekly to make sure only healthy food is in your pantry and that nothing unhealty is on your property?

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posted August 14, 2009 08:31 PM
Edited by Binabik at 20:35, 14 Aug 2009.

30 minutes of a brisk walk is not a lot by itself if you are only looking at the calories burned, but it's a lot better than nothing. But it should be enough to raise the metabolism of someone who would otherwise just sit around all day. It's the raising of the metabolism that's important.

And 5 hours of hard bike riding is enough that you would have to actually eat MORE food than normal. Like when I was a carpenter building houses, I ate huge amounts of carbs, and even ate a bunch ice cream most days. But I NEEDED all those carbs to do the work.


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posted August 14, 2009 08:31 PM

You want to be a skeleton? Fine, be a skeleton!
You want to be a fat snow? Fine, be a fat snow!
Just don't complain about it.
There's nothing wrong with being fat or extraordinarily skinny, just as long as you're comfortable with who you are.

Anywaaaay!
Running and condition training arn't really competitive sports that depend on your fine motor skills, so I see little problem with giving that instead of ball games
Also, you can alter you perspective and argue that it's better to have a high obesity rate in your country, rather than a high starvation rate.
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posted August 14, 2009 08:32 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 20:34, 14 Aug 2009.

BTW @ Everyone: I don't really think we should make mandatory exercise sessions. I think that's disgusting and barbaric. I was just seeing where it would lead.

@Elodin: It's not that they need to lose their healhcare outright, but a different package can rightfully be in order.

@Gares: rofl. True true, starvation has more health risk to it than obesity .

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posted August 14, 2009 08:33 PM

Quote:
That is wel and good to say fat people should not be covered by insurance,

If this is directed at me: please don't put words in my mouth.  Thanks.

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