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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted January 29, 2010 01:48 PM |
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Well about the Final... was a bit anti-climatic. It was practically a showcase of everything that is overpowered. The Armaggedon, Divine Vengance, etc. No one is of course to blame for that, I mean these things are what make the map what it is. But what I personally dislike about this is that it leaves less room for Player skill. Not that any of you played badly, but you know what I mean.
What surprised me a bit was the Dungeon vs Haven match. I mean Blizzard had Expert Defense and evasion and yet he was taken apart like no tomorrow (ok mass RM and divine strength from inqusitors may have played their part there too) but still. Bummer was that luck didn't really work out for Blizzard to. Raider charge with luck would have taken out 18 Champions... but that's what you get for a) not taking swift mind vs. a melee faction b)not blocking the Champions properly.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 29, 2010 01:59 PM |
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As bliz once said chaos is stupid. The thing that concerns me is that all final battles in toh are like that.. Even if creeping plays a good role on how well you played - heck sometimes more so than your actual skill - it makes me wonder how much toh's ratings are worth really. Matter of map I guess, it's funny how I can tell what the final battle conditions will be in most of the maps I've played.
Anyways that's why chaos has no ratings  I hope that when the tourneys resume that the map will be a lot more suited to tactical play. Including the max number of obstacles that are sometimes too much, hopefully starting atb reduced to 0-10% and some more thinking into the artifact system, racial tweaks etc.
In the meantime I'm rather fond of the epic version so it will likely remain.
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted January 29, 2010 02:10 PM |
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starting atb reduced to 0-10%
What do you mean with that? You mean that we'll no longer see stuff like Champions playing AFTER minotaurs (even with haste )?
And I'm not sure about the obstacle reduction. I mean sure I've had extreme cases where there were only 2 very small corridors from one side to the other where the middle was entirely unpassable but that was once. What exactly would you consider "too many" obstacles?
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"All I can see is what's in front of me. And all I can do is keep moving forward" - The Heir Wielder of Names, Seeker of Thrones, King of Swords, Breaker of Infinities, Wheel Smashing Lord
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted January 29, 2010 02:41 PM |
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It is not frequent but can decide games. And yes, right now units may start the battle with +25% atb which is kinda overkill. Back in H3 you always knew which units would play at what order, now it's a mess. But let's wait to see if it's possible first.
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pei
Famous Hero
Fresh Air.
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posted January 29, 2010 07:02 PM |
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Never understood exactly how the atb bar is calculated...but how about simply changing the arties that give initiative?
Perhaps thatīs not simple...ive found out that what seems simple most of the times is a true headache
Anyways, iīd like to play in one tourney sometime
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veco
Legendary Hero
who am I?
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posted January 30, 2010 05:23 PM |
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Edited by veco at 11:13, 07 Feb 2010.
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Bonkers Cup sign ups start today!
Victory is important, but it's not all-important!
Each round consist of 3 games and the winner is decided by the number of points scored. Points are gained for:
+1 for leading the army with a non-native hero
+1 if the hero build is unusual (includes skills rarely picked e.g. Warmachine-Necro, not rarely appearing like Defense-Warlock) Ultimates included.
+1 for using non-native creeps
The score is multiplied by 2 for the winner of the match.
Due to the boosted numbers of free joiners using ones native to your town is prohibited! - you can still save money for not buying all creeps from castle though
Sieges and sea battles are not influencing the score, but you may use them if you feel like it.
So if you use a typical build with no joiners and win the match, you can still lose in points, because 0*2 is still 0. 1*2 can still be bested by +3 base points.. Bonkers is about experimenting with fancy builds, keep that in mind
After you advance to the next round your score resets to 0 again.
The map itself:
BonkersDuel 1.11
Which features:
 A prison
2 witch huts in starting areas (because of this it's easy to abuse necro troop bonus, so now it gives a fixed amount of troops - old advanced necromancy one).
Berserkers removed from Sylvan's favorites
Fountain of fortune located in the battle area. Take your chances if you're feeling lucky
Each faction gets 2 random stacks of free joiners.
24/26/33 Tier4
16/17/22 Tier5
Normal/Hard/Heroic difficulty. Which difficulty you play is up to you.
-due to in game mechanics however Hunters are treated as Tier4, Slayers and Shamans - Tier5, Succubi as Tier5...
Artifact area features (Orcs can get Town Portal for free at the castle, should you need it):
-Artifact merchant for each faction (Dwarves, they have their own) - Academy and Dungeon get 1 major artifact at start.
-Hillfort.
-1 Relic, 3 Major, 5 Minor, Wand and Scroll.
-2 magma shrines and a Stronghold for lvl1 Warcries+talismans
Armageddon, Rune of Charge, DV, Unicorn Bow, Staff/Ring, Pedant of Mastery banned. CotN and WoL still in - just don't use them in a boring way
Ballista hp boosted to 1600, Tent gets 5 shots
Ultimates are possible and allowed! - they also score points for hero build!
Castle for sieges and 2 ships for sea battles in the second combat area
The deadline for sign ups is 7.02 (Sunday)
List of paricipants:
-SKPRIMUS
-Elvin
-Veco
-Arcax
-Mohikanin
-Pei
-DagothGares
-Larry
-Azagal
-StormGiant
-Vangelis
-Blizzardboy
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Arcax
Promising
Famous Hero
Its quite hot inside...
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posted January 30, 2010 05:27 PM |
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So I shall win it with my Barbarian Necropolis and charging skellies(even though the build was a total fail)
In
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phoenixreborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
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posted January 30, 2010 07:05 PM |
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oops.
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veco
Legendary Hero
who am I?
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posted January 30, 2010 07:52 PM |
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Edited by veco at 20:15, 30 Jan 2010.
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still has some bugs in it, will post an update soon
edit: small updates on the rules
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pei
Famous Hero
Fresh Air.
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posted January 31, 2010 12:07 AM |
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i want in
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SKPRIMUS
Promising
Supreme Hero
The One and the Prime
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posted January 31, 2010 12:38 AM |
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Edited by SKPRIMUS at 02:02, 31 Jan 2010.
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not a bad scoring system as I was wondering how you would make it work
I would think about removing any sylvan lvl3-5 units from random joiners list (or possibly allow AAs but in smaller numbers!) plus not allow succubi seducers as joiners...and possibly vamp princesses!
& it may possibly be a good idea to print screen one's build & send it off to a neutral 3rd party or something in case of arguments...maybe but we will understand the judge's decision is final
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@Elvin: oh & on the topic of terrain, there is a desert terrain that is pretty dark (I forgot to save so don't know name of it
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Hope defeats despair - "a blatant clue"
too many idiots in VW
"to lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose"
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phoenixreborn
Promising
Legendary Hero
Unicorn
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posted January 31, 2010 01:06 AM |
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Quote:
it may possibly be a good idea to print screen one's build & send it off to a neutral 3rd party
What could happen here? I feel like I'm missing something.
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DagothGares
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
No gods or kings
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posted January 31, 2010 01:24 AM |
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I want in.
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If you have any more questions, go to Dagoth Cares.
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SKPRIMUS
Promising
Supreme Hero
The One and the Prime
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posted January 31, 2010 02:05 AM |
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Edited by SKPRIMUS at 02:54, 31 Jan 2010.
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@PhoenixReborn: there are some uncommon skills/perks that are not always 100% evident...but hey we'll see
@veco: what's with the gold stacks? will help the quick playas?
fountain of good luck
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Hope defeats despair - "a blatant clue"
too many idiots in VW
"to lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose"
bashing orcus
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veco
Legendary Hero
who am I?
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posted January 31, 2010 08:15 AM |
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Quote:
@veco: what's with the gold stacks? will help the quick playas?
a freakin bug
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foolishman
Known Hero
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posted February 01, 2010 01:05 AM |
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k, let's bonk
larry fanoga
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veco
Legendary Hero
who am I?
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posted February 02, 2010 12:40 PM |
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Edited by veco at 12:42, 02 Feb 2010.
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Map update:
Boosted T5 to 16/17/22
Orcs can get Town Portal talisman for free at the castle, removed their gold reset and deleted their artifact merchant (they can get them in the artie area).
Other minor fixes.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted February 02, 2010 01:56 PM |
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Sounds good Random things I noticed.
- Town portal scrolls are both in the three areas and when you step in the teleporter.
- You have left the annoying pillars that obstruct view in artifact areas.
- Rakshasa near magic shrine in red player not masked.
- Swan in red sylvan is swimming in the grass
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veco
Legendary Hero
who am I?
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posted February 02, 2010 02:19 PM |
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Right.
Thanks, mom.
I'll wait till you find more
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted February 02, 2010 02:27 PM |
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