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Thread: Duel Map 2nd Season *Bonkers Cup* This thread is 42 pages long: 1 10 20 30 ... 35 36 37 38 39 ... 40 42 · «PREV / NEXT»
Vangelis21
Vangelis21


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Manchild
posted February 07, 2010 06:49 PM

the only bonkers thing i can see is the points system. sorry but when something is subjective it shouldn't be included in a tournament. and says who that it is standard to use a skill that appears 2% of the times?

no i didnt use it with destructive and larry can confirm that.

Advice if you want to attract people and keep players? make it simple and objective. no one is obligated to keep replays plus no one is obligated to trust you (or anyone else) when you say imbue ballista is standard.

so please make it clearer and more objective because no one is going to waste his time for no reason
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Azagal
Azagal


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Smooth Snake
posted February 07, 2010 06:54 PM
Edited by Azagal at 19:01, 07 Feb 2010.

What you seem to forget is that this is a completely voluntary waste of time. No one asked you to be here, you asked to be here. Big difference. As I said before veco had already explained how this works before you wanted to get it, so quit your complaining. If you don't like it, you most certainly didn't have to join.

And it's not so much up to my personal taste what's bonkers and what is. It's about understanding game mechanics. If you didn't understand what I was talking about earlier in "not exclusively playing to a factions strength / trying something different" (and therefore imbued ballista would be standard if coupled with Destro. If being the keyword you chose to ignore) it's not a matter of things not being explained clear enough in either vecos master post nor in my later explanation, it's a matter of you not understanding.

And please... keeping replays in a tournament is pretty standard. Simply because it makes sense. Don't blame the system for your shortcomings.

You joined knowing the rules before hand. Joining is accepting the "Terms of Agreement" so you're not the one to tell veco how to do it.

EDIT: God I that's the lawyer talking in me oO.
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veco
veco


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posted February 07, 2010 07:00 PM
Edited by veco at 19:08, 07 Feb 2010.

Yes, I just saw the replays:

1st: Sylvan Ranger vs Necro Knight
Van - 2pts
+1 for Brisk Raiders
*2 victory
Warmachines weren't backed up with anything, no magic, no flaming arrows so it feels like they were forced in there for no battle purpose, no points for that.
Larry - 1pt
+1 non native hero

2nd: Academy Wizard vs Stronghold Barb
Van - 1pt
+1 for non native creeps
Again, I don't know if you had swift mind with Logistics but even if you did - it would not be uncommon.
Larry - 2pts
+1 for non native creeps
*2 for victory
Barbs have a tough life when it comes to unusual builds, Light is Academy's leading school so it's not uncommon to take it's Shatter (if you didn't get shatter dark, that is ).

3rd: Fortress Runemage vs Fortress Warlock
Van - 1pt
+1 for non native creeps
Larry - 4pts
+1 for non native creeps
+1 for non native hero
*2 for victory

That's how the scoring system goes, Van-4 vs 7-Larry

Yes, I know that this kind of scoring system is not without fault, but please keep in mind that this is not a regular tournie, to distinguish the best player, it's a fun tournie, to distinguish the most creative/lucky one Problems like 'what is standard and what is not' are hard to settle and I will do my best in order to find a compromise, I keep in mind that all of you will always keep an eye on me. that's why I scrapped the 'arbitrary bonus point' I wanted to give. With all the commotion about the base points going on, that would be really hard to deal with.
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Azagal
Azagal


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posted February 07, 2010 07:04 PM
Edited by Azagal at 19:04, 07 Feb 2010.

Cry Me A Rrrriiiiiiver~~~
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Vangelis21
Vangelis21


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Manchild
posted February 07, 2010 07:05 PM

lol the system? lol who is the system? you? so glad i was absent from here... and i will be again coz coping with kids is difficult
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Azagal
Azagal


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Smooth Snake
posted February 07, 2010 07:06 PM
Edited by Azagal at 19:12, 07 Feb 2010.

Oh yeah baby.... I can't hear you Vangelis come on, you know the words.

And I adward veco with Azagals first "Happy Bear" adward for selfless caring and cuddlewuddle attitude.
Go Veco

We're lucky to have you as a judge.
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veco
veco


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who am I?
posted February 07, 2010 07:23 PM

Thanks

and here are the replays.
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foolishman
foolishman


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posted February 07, 2010 07:29 PM
Edited by foolishman at 19:31, 07 Feb 2010.

few more things
in our 2nd game Vangelis used 2 different non natives and i guess that could count for something
also the way rules are it seems very easy to earn 3 points(non-native,joiner and have counterspell with demon or any...) lose badly and if other player has 1 non standard thing in his build the score is 3:2 for loser
i'd say u need to make rules more clear,since now it looks they can be exploited pretty easy
also i'd say +1 point for the win should be added on the doubled score

larry fanoga

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veco
veco


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who am I?
posted February 07, 2010 07:42 PM
Edited by veco at 19:43, 07 Feb 2010.

If there would be points for both stacks it would be even more exploitable, sicne the other player may get only native stacks or a completely useless one. And yes, the loser still might win with 3 points, that's how it's supposed to be - it forces both players to get non native heroes, pick random joiners and experiment with builds. The 2 first points are easy to obtain and should always be aimed for, the 3rd, hero build one is not as easy but it's still worth it.

If you could win with a standard build every time over someone who tries different things then this would be another Chaos Cup.
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blizzardboy
blizzardboy


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posted February 07, 2010 09:49 PM

Quote:

If you could win with a standard build every time over someone who tries different things then this would be another Chaos Cup.


lol
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blizzardboy
blizzardboy


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posted February 07, 2010 10:14 PM

Finished games with Elvin. 2-1 for him. Builds in order from game 1 to 3:







He'll have replays.
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Elvin
Elvin


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posted February 07, 2010 10:34 PM

Awesome games



The first build wasn't all that impressive on my part but seeing dwarves tear apart barbarians is cool Azagal's burning vigor + flamestrike + ignite = ownage plus my ballista was cool. I couldn't pick joiners because both were from evil faction so along with my tunic the dwarves would have -4 morale. In the end though I probably should have

Second was a demonlord contest, mine commanding sylvan could boast some sweet spellpower. My word of light was ridiculously good but somehow I managed to lose, 25 attack proved my downfall. Plus foul wyverns were immune, I should have focused on them and cast mass deflect missile early. Never expected such an outcome, respect to Bliz for winning that one.



Final one was almost a disappointment. All tavern heroes were necromancers, all joiners necro and prison gives me a knight. Both light and dark are overused, summoning I had no phoenix or phantom and my only destructive spell was deep freeze. So to have a fighting chance I went machines and managed to get summoning but the battle itself was more of a formality

Here be replays.
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blizzardboy
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posted February 07, 2010 10:48 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 22:52, 07 Feb 2010.

Third game I went empathy + shout with Gotai for the Fortress army and discovered I only had access to level 1 warcries at that stronghold town, with call of blood not able to do anything. Guess I should have stuck with the knight, though I didn't' have access to destructive or summoning so it would have been an auto lose for me even if I won.
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SKPRIMUS
SKPRIMUS


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The One and the Prime
posted February 08, 2010 04:25 AM

lol at drama...
agree with veco/Azagal - stuffed up builds like sylvan WM without imbued dest or logs without useful perks are NOT suitable for counting as unusual hero build points...because they coulda been corrected with right levelling or mentor...imfo one still has to AIM for a particular unusual build

yep I thought it might be good idea to print screen hero builds so as to avoid ambiguity, but might also need to know the racial perks too
Elvin 2 wins vs blizzardboy 1 win means nothing for overall score line...what was the real score line or is that up to veco?

[I'll look at replays later to make up my own mind...but]
Dirael with sorcery with mass light spells: difficult to judge as no perks taken...I'd say not unusual enough
Grawl with summoning, distract & last stand: unusual yes
Gotai with empathy & shout & last stand: unusual yes
Ylaya with dest & WM: not unusual
Vittorio with summoning: unusual yes
[now please flame me instead of veco]

The other point I should make is making same unusual build more than once is not really in spirit of things either...

ofc there's always choice of going ultimate if one doesn't want to study [& memorise maybe] the skillwheel in detail
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pei
pei


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Fresh Air.
posted February 08, 2010 04:53 PM

@dagoth: so it seems u are my first official victim
im at ardillainvernal at hotmail.com and ill leave here a site where u can find out whats the time in here so we can schedule our matches.

Current time in Argentina





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Azagal
Azagal


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Smooth Snake
posted February 08, 2010 05:14 PM
Edited by Azagal at 17:16, 08 Feb 2010.

I'm afraid you missunderstood me SK
Quote:
I agree with Azagal - like sylvan WM without imbued dest... is not suitable for counting as unusual hero

Actually if he'd gone that way that'd been pretty usuable in my humble opinion. Already explained why^^.

In anycase I'll keep my opinion on builds to myself since the subject is relatively delicate and veco will have enough heat for having to decide what's funky and what needs to visit funkytown.

In anycase the Second match was indeed great Blizzard played great apart from having bizzare damage^^. Could have gone the other way of course if Elvin had focused on the Wyerns like he said. But that's what you get for repetetively casting WoL!! I really liked how last stand worked wonders with Hellfire (180 extra damage from just Hellfire? Isn't that a bit high? His Knowledge wasn't off the charts or was it? And searing flames weren't really included). Seeing 4 Dragons die because 1 gobo and 1 mauler attacked them  with 1 lizard to bite was awesome. And first I loled at him summoning Elementals... but then I saw that his SP was decent and my jaws dropped a few inches when I saw the damage they did oO.
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SKPRIMUS
SKPRIMUS


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The One and the Prime
posted February 08, 2010 05:52 PM

nah I didn't misunderstand...sylvan wm without imbued ballista was just an illustration of a stuffed-up build that doesn't count
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blizzardboy
blizzardboy


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Nerf Herder
posted February 08, 2010 06:58 PM
Edited by blizzardboy at 19:11, 08 Feb 2010.

@Azy:
Hellfire is multiplied by spellpower.
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Arcax
Arcax


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Its quite hot inside...
posted February 08, 2010 09:01 PM
Edited by Arcax at 21:01, 08 Feb 2010.

So I managed to beat the famous SKPRIMUS, 2 to 1.

1st one - My light/dark/def/attack Marbas leading Necropolis vs def/destr/enlight/dark Havez leading Stronghold. Unfortunately no replay or screens from me. I won. Had seducers on my side, he had Rune  Patriarchs

2nd one - My retribution Ebba leading dungeon vs classic academy, he even didnt switch the hero, naughty naughty, but had Zealots instead. I lost


3rd - Inferno Mirror, mines Grok vs his Yrwanna
Was fun. I won after surprisingly long battle including lots of gating, teleporting and sapping his mana.apart from excellent gate build I managed to get Urgash set.

2nd and 3rd replay thanks SKPRIMUS


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SKPRIMUS
SKPRIMUS


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The One and the Prime
posted February 08, 2010 10:48 PM
Edited by SKPRIMUS at 23:11, 08 Feb 2010.

Yah...now my version
Game 1 was D/C which unfortunately no-one saved...Had orcs where only reasonable other faction hero was Havez - he starts with only 1 skill point so ultimate was out of the question...wanted to get something which required another 2% skill so that wasn't forthcoming so settled for 3 magic schools where I had all the MoW/MoA spells & dark book for MoM/MoC spells plus destructive if I wanted to...
Still my orcs with 7atk/8def hero with expert defence still got torn apart by necro led Marbas with only 11atk

Game 2 Wanted to try mentoring thingy but the only non-factional hero was a necro hero so I wasn't gonna go for that!...Jhora-aca wasn't that classic...was going for emphaty/sorcery/counterspell with an extra perk but that required another 2% skill which didn't come plus it wasn't a powerful spellcasting hero I faced...I woulda only had exp summoning without perks & no artificial glory if that skill had come...however, I had summoning only & was surprised at ebba retrib-led army lacked damage (2 morale weakened retrib a lot) which meant summoning on its own had a chance to do something [but I also had the armour, lion crown, horseshoe & had RM casted on the most important units by zealots & archmages]

Game 3 dark renewal/elemental balance/banish & 3 magic schools...was thinking of delaying things a bit with dark/summoning before surprising with destructive but Arcax had teleport ass which sped things up for him & ruined my plans...plus he protected vermins well even tho I had pendant of conflux (but teleport doesn't use much mana)...started banishing when outta mana which was more effective than I thought...if only a bit more mana for couple of dest spells


I'll let veco judge the overall points if he wants but I had less overall points regardless because Arcax would have had at least 2x2 + 3 + 2x2 = 11 I think.

Thanks for enjoyable games Arcax...generally levelling trying to get different builds takes a bit of time for me...alas I never got offered a knight [I point the finger at pei]
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