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posted September 08, 2009 03:30 AM |
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I think it's kind of corny, but maybe that's because I post on internet forums, where Adolf Hitler is obnoxiously overused.
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posted September 08, 2009 07:35 AM |
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Do the Jews over-react.
They are good at it.
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So in stead of dealing with the real problem, the disease, they're making it seem like the people with HIV are the problem, and that's in my honest opinion not very good.
I don't think anyone is going to hunt and burn the infected. Actually I don't know how could anyone take comparison to Hitler seriously?...
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I dont understand
Xerdux, that's the wisest thing you said here.
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posted September 08, 2009 08:12 AM |
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How magnanimous of you to give religious people permission to speak.
Of course a statement like this had to come....no surprise...
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posted September 08, 2009 08:16 AM |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law 
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posted September 08, 2009 08:17 AM |
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Hmm Hitler is kind of hot actually. Maybe I will dress up as him on Halloween. Then my friends can be Mao Zedong and Stalin and George Bush ;D
Hitler seems like a nice guy in person too ;D
I dont understand why everyone is so racist against him ;(
Mass murder is fun and look, now we are to many humans on this planet instead! We need more like him! ^^
Everybody is free to post his opinion, and I know you are very young...veeery young especially in the way you express your opinion. But be sure, things like the red colored part are not welcomed here.
Please edit your post and be warned.
Anything similar to that will lead to a penalty AND a silence. This is the OSM, not the WASTELANDS!
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posted September 08, 2009 08:19 AM |
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Religious people are free to express their oppinions
Oh my aren't you generous today?
And I don't see what's wrong with the clip. Best thing that could happens is that all right extremist now want to get aids to be more like their Idol. And worst thing? Can't really think of something.
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posted September 08, 2009 09:03 AM |
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Edited by Lexxan at 10:30, 08 Sep 2009.
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EDIT: I'm not proud on what I wrote here. I was well - Not really thought over. Emotional. Possibly Offencive. I removed the Post, but I saved it on my PC. I may repost it.
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posted September 08, 2009 09:11 AM |
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Edited by Azagal at 09:49, 08 Sep 2009.
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How well informed on the subject are you if I may ask? What do you base your opinion on?
Because to me it looks like you have either been misinformed or your interpretations of what happend aren't inparticularily correct. If you don't mind me saying so. But as being half German there are certain things I feel I really must clear up here...
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Now a little lesson in German history...
In order to understand why Hitler came to power you have to look at the state that existed before the Third Reich. After losing WW1 the Weimarer Republik was founded with the last Emperor Willhelm II exiled. The Weimarer Republik was Germanys first ever attempt at Democracy and without going into too much detail it was a major catastrophy. Within the state the left and right wings were trying to bring the government down, the economy was badly hurt and inflation was astronomic. But the biggest problem for the young German democracy was the "Versailler Vertrag" (Versailler contract) in which the victors dictated the conditions for Germany after it surrender. Amongst the dictations were two things inparticularily damaging to Germany
a) Conpensation payments they had to make to Russia, Britain and France (collosal mountains of money)
b) and a paragraph with gave Germany the sole responsability for WW1
Both were infuriating to the Public. The public felt Germany was treated like dirt and looked down upon (one of the Reasons for WW1 was because Willhelm II had shared that impression, you know imperialism everyone wanted to be a big player...) and Hitler used that to his Advantage. He was by no means an Obama... the Zeitgeist just gave him a free pass.
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His ideas on their own were good
Please Lexxan... everything (and I mean everything) Hitler did starting 1933 was for the purpose of being able to win a war. Of course we still drive on some Highways he build but they were only ment for troop transportation... None of his ideas were good "on their own".
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He's an extremely brutal, yet tragical figure, not truly Evil, -or not as evil as usually depicted
Please tell me where you get that opinion from. In my years of German History classes and research on the subject during my Abitur preparations I haven't come across a single thing that could possibly indicate he was a "tragical" figure or "not truly evil". I realize that shouldn't mean to much but I really want to know where you get that idea from.
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Extremely loyal and nationalistic to his people
This is not correct, to put it very gently. Hitler felt betrayed by Germany when he started to lose the war. He sent his soldiers to the most hopeless of battlefields not listening to reason (just look at Stalingrad for example). He didn't evacuate Berlin when the Red Army was closing in, he didn't bring the Women and Children to safety, he forcefully recruted everything male no matter their age or condition to fight to the death in order to defend Berlin (they were outnumbered about 10:1...) and he said that Germany had betrayed him by loosing the war so it could just aswell die with him.
Do you call that loyal Lexxan? I hope you just said that because you didn't know better. If not it would kinda hurt...
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Hitler initially wanted to cleanse his lands of what he saw as "unpure", and initially it did involve killing - it involved intimidation and humiliation, hoping that the "Undesireables" would leave themselves
Jews were denied traveling, their goods were taken from them, their money confiscated, they got special pasports branding them as jews, etc. leaving Germany was by no means easy for them. It wasn't Lexxan. Not every Jew was rich. Apart from that the Jews were as German as any other non-Jew German. They were perfectly assimilated in society. It isn't easy to leave your homecountry behind aswell.
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As the life of these Undesireables was worth little (or nothing), the next step was quite easy to make - Kill.
You make it sound so innocent...
So to make it unmisunderstandbly clear to you... Hitler was evil. He was the single worst thing that has happent to Germany (and hopefully always will be) and he was by no means tragic. Whatever he did he did it for his own goals and ambitions, not because he loved the German people. He threw away the life of his own people (not to mention everyone elses) without care. So please don't call him "tragic" and "not truly evil" and "a blessing" anymore, will you?
Unless of course you'd explain to me how you get those impressions...
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The ALWAYS React annoyingly sensitive to anything that is -even remotely- connected to Hitler or the Holocaust. Personally I find it a tad overdone, but judging their past - Can you blame them for it?
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It's already 64 years ago, for Heaven's sake. Please, stop this sentimental laments about "My Grandparents both died in the Holocaust, it's Horrible"
Interesting...
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posted September 08, 2009 10:29 AM |
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@ Azagal:
Your posts owns mine. Completely. I really do not wish to make excuse, but I really feel Silly atm. I'll delete the post to avoid further lost to face (but, I will save it on Notepad first though, should someone wish to read it.) But before I do, I would like to reply to a few to your quotes.
First of all, his ideas were somewhat beneficial for GERMANY. Only if you see them for Germany and BEFORE the War. That's what I meant and please, don't put them out of context. He wanted (no point denying that) to make Germany the most powerfull country in the world. I do not support his actions at all. Hitler seemed to have cared about his country (Germany) much. Of course he was a warmonger and complete brute - but his goals was an united Germany, and poor Poland stood in their way. Again, the quote puts stuff out of context. His ideas were okay enough (good is too strong as a word) on their own - FOR Germany after WW1, and to rebuild German Industry in a war that destroyed the country - Indeed, you are correct that Hitler abused the Humiliation of the Germans after the war to his advantage. So in all aspects, your post is correct. Germany Didn't need a war - but it needed A strong Industry/Economy to become one of Europe top nations, and Hitler provided that opportunity (after he destroyed it once again with WW2)
Secondly, my opinion is more of a philosophical nature - I do not believe in Goodness or Evilness of Persons. For me, Persons are Neutral, with Good or Evil tendencies. Hitler is, for me, Neutral with some enormous Evil Tendencies. I call him tragic because, his goal - a Powerfull Germany- was completely destroyed by his own Megalomaniac warmongering and narrow-mindedness. Okay, that sounds very Naive -never said I wasn't-, but in essence, that's what he wanted. Before you say so, I have not put the War in the Equasion - but it was nontheless inevitable, because his obsession with his goals. He WAS, as a person, extremely intolerant, Aggressive, Ego-centric, Unlikeable, but also very Nationalistic. Is that Evil? I personally, do not call people Evil, even in Hitler's case. But I definately Understand your point with saying that he's evil. Call me naive, but I simply cannot believe that a human being can be so evil.
About Loyaly - Well, I didn't really know those details, and I based by (naive) opinion on what I knew - his goals, and how he (roughly) had executed them. On that part, you completely owned me. 
But yes, I think he was loyal to his country, at least before the war, but I also think that Hitler was a really bad loser. So bad that he did those things you said. Makes sense to me. Dammit- I really hate that war.
as for Anti-Semitism: It's obvious that the Jews should have left Germany. With such a Powerhungy moghul like Hitler I would see that as an Encouragement to leave, despite the difficulties. Many Jews did this, other hid themselves. Hate is a really horrible thing, and I assume that the German did that to have the pleasure of humiliating and bullying the Jews even more - pure Sadism IMO-
Though my post may let it look differently, I do not support Anti-Semitism. Jews in that country, and during that period of time, saw horrible things.
also, I won't call him a blessing anymore - It's completely incorrect, I see.
Finally, Jews themselves.
Everytime Someone (or something) Involves Hitler in a campaign, like this one, the Jews ALWAYS complain and point the finger. . I do not blame them for it, as their ancestors indeed saw and felt horrible things - the Ones that were lucky died in the Holocaust - The unlucky ones lived on.
Still they constant complaining gets annoying over time. It really does. I personally find that it's time to move on, but at the same time to remember. I'm opposed to the Taboo in Hitler, the Holocaust and Nazism. We must talk and know the horrors about it, or at least their proportion - and we currently do not know. Srebrenica, 911 or Guantanamo prove this - that Humanity itself is not Humane enough.
Also, my post is very emotional - like all my posts. I was wrote down all my frustrations and thoughts in that post. I'm really trying to make this sound like I'm not making excuses, but I fail horrible - It's an excuse. What can I say.
Point is, people should not be afraid to express their opinions, to express their message. I personally fail to see what's offencive about the Clip. Except maybe that Hitler was present in it.
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posted September 08, 2009 10:40 AM |
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Well, well, well... isn't it always fascinating?
If someone could explain to me the connection between these assessments of German history - and why that is important - and the ad-clip or the harsh Jewish reaction, respectively.
Why, for example, is Hitler someho touchier than Attila the Hun?
Slaughter is slaughter, history is history. Advertisement is taking advantage of good things, in general, ABUSING true, good, and beautiful things for some silly little product, so what is wrong with doing the opposite? To ABUSE something bad and ugly for a not so silly somewhat bigger by-product?
And let's not delve into German history and assessing Hitler's personality - I don't think that's relevant, since in this case it's simply the result that counts.
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posted September 08, 2009 10:49 AM |
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If someone could explain to me the connection between these assessments of German history - and why that is important - and the ad-clip or the harsh Jewish reaction, respectively.
Not sure wether you still got to read Lexxans post but the "assessment of German history" is a reply to that. Some pretty wrong things in there I didn't want to leave like they were...
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posted September 08, 2009 10:55 AM |
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Today Hitler is an emblematic figure of the incarnated evil, ignorance, homophobia, mass manipulation and destruction.
The problem here seems that people got bored with Hitler being an antisemite; just look, you didn't even mention antisemitism as one of the stuff he was an incarnate of. Yet he still needs to have some evil characteristic flying around him; something fresh yet especially evil-sounding. Uncompromising war effort kinda lost its value since Americans dropped the nukes, and since Hitler's killing of 30 million Russians and Eastern Europeans isn't really evil by Western standards (we're all a bunch of commies anyway). So then there's the "he persecuted homosexuals and Jehovah's witnesses!" argument.
Now, a commercial with Hitler having sex with a man... That would be a boom.
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posted September 08, 2009 10:59 AM |
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@Lexxan
It's cool that you learn so fast and have a personality growth, that's all that's really important, it doesn't matter in my opinion what your previous beliefs were, when you show that you've changed into what you believe is better.
However I think it'd be better for the thread if you decided to let your orignial post stay, maybe with an edit of this being your original opinion, but Azagals post changed this and you do not stand for the following anymore, etc. or something in that sort. The reason I think it'd be better for the thread is because it makes the thread easier to read and others won't make the same mistake as you did in that way.
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posted September 08, 2009 11:03 AM |
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The jewish point of you:
See lexxan you said that jews should clearly moved out of germany when hitler came to power ? you forget 3 vital things:
It was the time of Americas great Finnacial Conflict,and american gates ware sealed to froginers.
Antisemitism was also pretty common in that time...where would they go? Russia? Ukraine? Was even more Anti-semetistic at that time..
and Europe was sustiening heavy dammages themselfs and didnt let them.
not to mention economicle problams.
Jews overreaction? yes they do,so what. Each nationality have it sensible areas... when i once asked elvin why does soem people call FYOR macedonia and others macedonia,he nearly jumped my neck ,said that if i ever call it macedonia again he will shoot arrows in me. and its stricktly FYOR.
so thats 1.
the serbs and slavs have milosevic and hes little amibitus scandelius life as sensitive subject. the arabs have 49 as senstive subject,and israel has hitler,which is also sensitive for germans.
the belgins have dutch-flemmish topics.
So is it such a mistake?
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posted September 08, 2009 04:53 PM |
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Well, to Hitlers defence the sex scene was done well.
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posted September 08, 2009 05:32 PM |
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Maybe Hitler=sex? 
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posted September 08, 2009 05:34 PM |
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More like=
Hitler:Sex?
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posted September 09, 2009 03:57 AM |
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Certainly a poster well designed for scaring little children.
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