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Elodin
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posted September 08, 2009 09:12 AM
Edited by Elodin at 09:16, 08 Sep 2009.

Monsters and the people who love them [religious opinions not banned]

I think everyone has heard of this case by now.

Why do you think the wife of the sexual preditor went along with her husband in kidnapping the girl and holding her for 18 years in a shed to be his sex slave?

How common is it do you think for someone to find out that a person they are married to or a member of their family is a monster and to cover it up?

What would you do if you found out your spouse/significant other had kidnapped somoene and was holding them in a warehouse somewhere as a sex slave?

This man had been charged with rape before but the victim who escaped had refused to testify.

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In 1993, when Phillip Garrido went to prison for six weeks on a parole violation, the former nursing assistant watched over Dugard, authorities said.

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JollyJoker
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posted September 08, 2009 10:27 AM

The question should have arisen in 1977, wouldn't it?
Another question would be, if he was sentenced to 50 years in 1977, how come he got out on parole in or prior to 1991, after doing A QUARTER of the time he was sentenced?
What idiot shrinks did review his case files/worked with him to "make him sane"?

If I read this correctly, his wife stayed with him while he did time - so she cannot have been all too shocked by what her spouse did. Looks like she was in on it in some way - and whatever way that was, it can't be a sane way either. Which answers your question, really.

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Mytical
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posted September 08, 2009 11:08 AM

There are many 'excuses', and some 'explinations'.  Two different things really.

Stockholme like syndrome.  Somebody who is abused can start thinking they deserve it..and identify with their abusers.  So they don't question WHY they do things.

Fear.  Yes, they can 'run' anytime they wish.  Some are so convinced they have nowhere to run to, and that nothing or nobody can protect them.  They stay because they have convinced themselves there is nowhere to go.

Really low self esteem.  Convinced nobody else would want them, they put up with anything just to have 'somebody'.

They can be just as twisted as the other person, but hide it better, and be more convincing liers.

Take your pick from above, as many as you want.  

I am curious, however, how exactly religion would play a role in this particular topic?  Something like "The devil made her do it?"
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antipaladin
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posted September 08, 2009 11:15 AM

i noticed that most hidious crimes are in america.. i wonder whats the factor?
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posted September 08, 2009 11:51 AM

If you don't count islamic beheading in direct on video, stone to death direct on video, blown prisoners direct on video, then yes, USA owns. But a short visit to Ogrish may change your opinion.
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Mytical
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posted September 08, 2009 11:54 AM

I think it is the fact that our media tends to glorify violence that has people a bit confused.
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antipaladin
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posted September 08, 2009 11:54 AM

there is one reason why i not include them:
USA- the standerd is to be good people (?)
there the standerd is to do thouse hiddous crimes... there is nothing one can do there,however there is somethng to be done in usa?
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posted September 08, 2009 03:49 PM

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i noticed that most hidious crimes are in america.. i wonder whats the factor?
You probably haven't heard of Joseph Fritzl then.

I think this is the reason we should have death penalty. Nah, torture penalty...
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posted September 08, 2009 03:54 PM

Yes, its horrible. But the captives arent "über suffering" since they grow a psychologic bond to their captors.

The penalty should be 15-20 years of prison.

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posted September 08, 2009 03:59 PM

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Yes, its horrible. But the captives arent "über suffering" since they grow a psychologic bond to their captors.
Which is worse. That's like saying, if the captor plucked out their eyes, they wouldn't "suffer" in 24 years -- just that once, but then they're blind forever so they "grew a physical bond with what their captors wanted" (to become blind, for instance)...

After 18/24 years, you get used to stuff, even pain. That doesn't make it "right", in fact it makes it worse!
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Elodin
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posted September 08, 2009 07:26 PM

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I am curious, however, how exactly religion would play a role in this particular topic?  Something like "The devil made her do it?"


I would not presume to know what all religious arguments one would present neither would I want to silence them.

As far as "the devil made me do it" I've only ever heard that from Hollywood. I've never heard a Christian say that neither does it fit Christian doctrine. The devil only has the power to tempt. Of course it is possible for you to "give yourself over" to darkness and be possessed. Cases of possession are exremely rare.

I could say that his wife is as much a monster as he is in her own way. She had the chance to set the woman free when her husband ws in jail for six weeks and I'm sure at many other times as well. Perhaps she enjoyed watching the other woman being raped.

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The penalty should be 15-20 years of prison.


So he kidnapped her and kept her prisoner for 18 years as his sex slave and you would let him off with 15 (to 20) years in jail. Possibly not even a 1 for 1 in terms of years eh? A condition that will undoubtedly be much better than the conditions his victim had to endure.

I think it was uber sufferning for a 14 year old girl to be kidnapped and raped for 18 years. Living inside a shed for for most of her life.

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posted September 08, 2009 08:18 PM

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As far as "the devil made me do it" I've only ever heard that from Hollywood. I've never heard a Christian say that neither does it fit Christian doctrine. The devil only has the power to tempt. Of course it is possible for you to "give yourself over" to darkness and be possessed. Cases of possession are exremely rare.


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posted September 08, 2009 08:41 PM
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The penalty should be 15-20 years of prison.


Penalty should be that you are used in medical tests, instead of poor rats (who deserve life more than for example, Fritzl).
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posted September 08, 2009 09:14 PM

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Penalty should be that you are used in medical tests, instead of poor rats (who deserve life more than for example, Fritzl).
Nice way to think it!
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Lexxan
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posted September 08, 2009 09:15 PM

Isn't it called "Stockholm Syndrome"?
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posted September 08, 2009 09:23 PM

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Isn't it called "Stockholm Syndrome"?


Yep.
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posted September 08, 2009 09:38 PM
Edited by Warmonger at 21:39, 08 Sep 2009.

Mytical said it 15 posts ago

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What would you do if you found out your spouse/significant other had kidnapped somoene and was holding them in a warehouse somewhere as a sex slave?

No one else is gonna like it, but I do believe there will always be demand for sex slaves
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i noticed that most hidious crimes are in america.. i wonder whats the factor?

Media activity. Who cares what happens in Mid-East or central Africa?
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posted September 08, 2009 09:49 PM

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i noticed that most hidious crimes are in america.. i wonder whats the factor?


Most happen in Africa, actually.
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xerdux
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posted September 09, 2009 12:08 AM

Yeah. And yet I fail to care for starving people in Africa etc.
You only care about stuff you can relate too.


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posted September 09, 2009 12:25 AM
Edited by Fauch at 00:41, 09 Sep 2009.

I think, if you had to care about all the misery in the world, you should better suicide yourself.

in a way, it's good to ignore the misery and focus on the good things.

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Why do you think the wife of the sexual preditor went along with her husband in kidnapping the girl and holding her for 18 years in a shed to be his sex slave?

hm? she is crazy? I don't understand why you would want to harm someone you don't even know

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How common is it do you think for someone to find out that a person they are married to or a member of their family is a monster and to cover it up?

depends how you define monster. if you talk about someone who did one mistake in his life, it's probably quite common. if you are talking about really insane and dangerous people, I think it will happen if their partners/families are afraid of them.

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What would you do if you found out your spouse/significant other had kidnapped somoene and was holding them in a warehouse somewhere as a sex slave?

it would frighten me. and I would disapprove. don't know if I would try to convince her it's a bad thing to do, that might be dangerous

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