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alcibiades
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posted May 06, 2010 09:51 PM

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I tend to agree with that prohibition.


For a moment, I read this as if you agreed with homosexuality being punishable.
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posted May 07, 2010 01:00 AM

I just can not seem to wrap my head around caring about who somebody else sleeps with as long as that person has the mental facilities to be able to say yes and they are of legal age.  If the people find happiness in this crazy world, it is ALL good.
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posted May 07, 2010 01:41 AM

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I just can not seem to wrap my head around caring about who somebody else sleeps with as long as that person has the mental facilities to be able to say yes and they are of legal age.  If the people find happiness in this crazy world, it is ALL good.


Short answer: +1

Long answer: I wholeheartedly agree with what you said. Case in point, all of this sudden "ZOMG Ricky Martin had an affair with such and such is starting to drive me up a wall.". It's all the local news can seem to come up with. -_-

(Well that and the college strike; 14 days now... )
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posted May 07, 2010 01:57 AM

Well along with him being gay, they should have said "In other news the sky is blue." but it is the celebrity thing.  I care who they have slept with WHY?
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posted May 07, 2010 08:03 AM

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Well along with him being gay, they should have said "In other news the sky is blue." but it is the celebrity thing.  I care who they have slept with WHY?


To keep you complacent with manufactured outrage and not asking questions about what really matters... oh wait that ties into the media bias thread.
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posted May 07, 2010 09:17 AM

@ Alci: Lol, I personally don't give a crap about such things. It doesn't bother me until it doesn't get to me.

Also they picked a hell of a date to do this(the parade), when the pedo scandal is still at large in here. We lithuanians aren't very fond of such events at this kind of times.
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posted May 07, 2010 05:08 PM

hey, we have a similar debate in france about burqah. people seem to say, "I'm not annoyed about women wearing burqahs, as long as they don't do it in MY country"
oh, and it seems they are not able to find even one correct argument. the problem is they think they are right because they don't realise their arguments are crap

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Kipshasz
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posted May 07, 2010 05:29 PM

So it seems that the parade will be 'legal' after all. This won't go without incidents and possibly a riot. You have my word.
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posted May 07, 2010 05:39 PM

Why do some people bother to care about other peoples sexuality... -.-

Big deal.
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posted May 07, 2010 07:33 PM

Kipshasz, could you elaborate on what is going on in your country and with that parade?

Mytical, hey what is the deal with Ricky Martin? I heard he had come out (big suprise, let me share my reaction: ) -- ok that's done. But how old is his partner or whatever?

To be fair, many countries set the legal age for sex much too high, some just a little too high, and others way too low. I remember looking at a map of it. I don't remember all the countries but I do know that it went as low as 9 years old and as high as 21 (japan is 21) I don't want to guess where the 9 was, but there were many that were also like 12, or 13. Personally I think it should be set at 16. That may still be too low for some but yeah...just my thoughts on it.

What do you guys think the legal age for sexual consent should be? Hmm, that might be another thread (if it is I can't make it). But would if vary for same sex? Of course it shouldn't, but that is just IMHO.


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ohforfsake
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posted May 07, 2010 07:41 PM
Edited by ohforfsake at 19:42, 07 May 2010.

My opinion is that there should be no legal/illegal age for sex.
Putting a legal age on sex is forcing down on a whole society a rule that should only apply to some.

It should be depending on the individual, so it should differ between individuals. What's needed is someway to confirm that someone is sufficient mature for a sex.

How to do it? Well that's a hard one. One way could be to seek for sexual maturity confirmation, lol. Though who is to say who's mature and not and even such a test would never be 100%.

Anyway, what is needed is to define the requirements before sex should be allowed, what does it mean to be sufficient mature? In my opinion, that you, yourself, decides upon your action (no manipulation etc.) it can all be generalised into no free will disturbance from other persons, but then again, isn't that exact what happens when a hot chick/boy turns us on and we want to have sex with said person in the first place?
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Kipshasz
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posted May 07, 2010 07:55 PM

@Father: well, about half a year ago, a pissed father killed two people that he acused of sexually depraving his daughter. It happened after the police refused to take any actions. Other suspects gained immediate protection. Several high ranking public prosecutors were fired due to lack of competence, the press started a marathon on the subject, which lasts to this day, various anti pedo organisations started popping up like mushrooms after rain etc. The father's corpse was found in April, during a public 'spring cleaning' event. The 'experts' said he died by choking on his stomach content, while marks of violence were clearly seen on his body. Now the TV just vomits out huge conspiracy theories. You could find more about it by googling for "Drasius Kedys" .

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posted May 07, 2010 08:09 PM

Legal age?
It's not THAT simple, isn't it?

As far as I understand it, "legal age" is just a BORDER. Sex - as opposed to basically all the rest with a "legal age" - is something between TWO persons. So legal age comes into play only, or mainly, with people of different age.
If, for example, legal age is 15 and two 14-year olds have sex, it's a very different thing from a 16-year-old having sex with a 14-year-old.

Oddly enough that seems to make a lot of sense

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posted May 07, 2010 08:21 PM

That's true, though afaik, in Denmark, one can still press charges even if two minors had sex with eachother, the result, if any conviction were to take place (though I can't imagine that would ever happen) would be a punishment to the parents.
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posted May 07, 2010 08:26 PM

I would say the same than ohforf
and I don't see much difference between two 14 years old having sex and one being 14 and the other one being 16.
so in japan, a 30 years old having sex with a 20 years old is a pedophile?

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posted May 07, 2010 08:36 PM
Edited by Father at 20:37, 07 May 2010.

Little crazy isn't it Fauch? Idk if they would lable someone as a pedo there, but I know if they got caught they would be in trouble with the law. But I mean, 21!? People have to be breaking the law there on a daily basis. Heck, most places here in the states have it set at 18 years old, and I know for a fact that people much younger are having sex all the time.

Ohfor, what you say has merrit. Indeed, sexual readiness seems to be more closely tied to someones mental state as well. Legal age, maybe should be more of a guidline? But yeah, I think younger than 16 and you start to broach on the argument of whether or not an able body person is mentally capable of rationally choosing to have sex at all. I think at 16 most can, but I'm sure some can't. Just as I'm sure some at 14 could, but most are more than likely just not ready. Again, that's just IMO of course. I know that oppinions and what not can change a great deal as we cross the boarders between contries and how people are raised, spiritual beliefs, society etc etc..

Edit: Kip, thanks
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posted May 08, 2010 06:03 AM

Although it is a bit against my character, I am going to play a little devils advocate with the age of consent question.

The counter arguement to lowering the legal age limit comes down to a few key points.  
1st, children are somewhat impressionable. This arguement is a valid one.  During the early years of our life, while we still are forming our opinions on things, other people can have strong influence on our actions.  While this can certainly be said about adults in some cases, and some adults are certainly guiliable enough, children have a bit more open minds.

2nd, as children we are taught that Adults are there to protect us, and if something bad is happening we can turn to them for guidence.  This is one reason why children abductions are so hard to stop.  Not only often is somebody they know and trust, but they don't realise (always) that somebody might not have their best interests at heart.  Yet if we teach them not to trust anybody..then when something DOES happen, they will feel that they can not trust anybody.  Sort of a catch 22.

Now the arguement could be made..well tell them to only trust their parents..but what if it then is one of the parents who betray that trust?  It does happen, unfortunately.

3rd is knowledge of what they are consenting to.  Some might think they know what sex is, but actually have no clue.  Nor do they realise the possible dangers from sex (STD's, Aids, pregancy, etc).  So..there are arguements against lowering the age of consent...
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posted May 08, 2010 04:07 PM

There most certainly are and you touched on several strong ones pretty well. To continue, I would counter....

Besides hypothetical examples such as you provided, lets take a fair look at current facts.

Teens are having sex more today than back when it was popular to get married in or even before your teens.

Sexual awareness and proactive education have spread like a wild fire. Available knowledge and the education are everywhere, especially around those of teenage years. Even children that are more "protected" from society by parents that opt to home school their children, have a great deal of knowledge on the topic of sex these days.

Now please understand, it is not my intention to make a point that because they are doing it we should make it legal. I'm just pointing out the facts. & these facts tend to point to a society that is more mature than the current laws of the land dictate. I believe that some type of law that really addressed these issues could clear up a great deal. And to be clear, I would only drop the age by 2 years, and many countries are already there.

Now regardless of my views there, your points are certainly valid. But as brought up earlier in the thread, truly the only way to know if one is ready is on a case by case basis. Heck, I have friends that were not ready until well into their 20's. However, some people, many people are ready at an earlier age. Or at least they think they are ready? The real question here is this:

At what age does society decide that a person is mentally capable of choosing whether or not to have sex? Does society draw that line in legal sand or leave it open? Well here it is clear that we have answered that question and it is set at 18 years of age. I just think it is a little lower than that. Some much lower, some don't care, and even some a little higher.

At what age do you think it should be set Mytical? Or not at all as another suggested? (though I admittedly cringe at that thought).
What do you others think?


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posted May 08, 2010 05:02 PM

About what I think the age limit should be, I've no answer, but these comments:
The big thing in this, I think, is the ressources, we probably just don't have the ressources, nor the technology, to make the kind of tests required to avoid the problem of not mature enough persons.
Mytical raises valid points of what can tell something about maturity, such as if someone is impressionable, and I think it's somewhat the same with next, that someone sees others as an authority, I think both goes back to lack of justifying information.
It's something that is taught and not something that comes automatic though, so in that regard, I think it's very much environment decided.
That is, if we try to make our kids these small gems that needs to be protected, then they'll act in accordance to such an environment and thereby be very fragile. Likewise with the last part, if someone knows what they're consenting to, I think that's more a degree about seperating wants [happiness] and feelings [in this case, probably group pressure]. Which again is a measure of maturity.

In general though, my guess is that most people through their entire life is extremely impressionable in many different degrees varying extremely on very small variables, so it only makes the age limit seem more random, in my opinion.

So it's the choice between a limit where no matter what [until sufficient ressources and technology is available] someone will be limited without they should, or no limit at all, whereby again others will be limited without they should. It's actually very much like the 20 post limits at HC in that perspective.
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posted May 08, 2010 06:10 PM

like ohforf said, there is no point in a limit actually.
and I don't think not having a limit would greatly increase the cases of pedophilia.
seriously, pedophiles must be the most hated people in the world, right after Hitler. even in prison, they seem to be considered like the lower caste by other prisonners (at least, according to movies), whereas murderers don't have much to brag about...

knowing that should be enough to persuade anybody to not touch a child

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