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bigjocker
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posted October 13, 2009 06:22 PM |
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My call will possibly ingored but I admit that the creature is tad big In my humble opinion ( I know you already mentioned it and I know you're still satisfied with it ), but the main thing which is botherin' me more is the blurness. I mean, if you look on the original creatures, they're kind of blurry. My point is to not make im so edgy and the sharp colors make a little more "blurry". Which could be easy with some photoshopin' of the frames.
If something isn't clear ask, or just ignore me.
I have to say I'm really glad something came out again around these forums and people are connectin' to work and makin' some progress which is awesome. I wish you good luck because it looks really nicely.
THUMBS UP.
I understand what you mean about blurriness, MAYBE it will be done at the end of project. Anyway, I like realistic things, that's why I don't think blur things is good looking. And about size, there will be event bigger creatures (without wings ofcourse), that's why it's called GIANT protectors. And you will only see them in main battles so it won't bother a lot for people who don't like the size.
@Gnoll
They will be replaced too. I'm just looking at the situation.
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gnollking
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posted October 13, 2009 06:23 PM |
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I meant that they would be replaced with the giant protectors  .
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bigjocker
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posted October 13, 2009 07:06 PM |
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I meant that they would be replaced with the giant protectors .
I understood. They mostly will, I just needed fire-shooting creature and there aren't such from lvl8s.
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Salamandre
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posted October 13, 2009 07:19 PM |
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There are only 2-3 frames needed for the shooting effect. You can use already the effects from various attacks for any creature. For example, copy/paste the zealot shooting effect in 2-3 frames of attacks. Now it has fire shooting. On the net you can find even better effects and combined with appropriate sound.
Moreover, if the x creature attack sound is empty, it can be scripted in battle to use different wav for every action, defend, attack, block etc. So you can have more than the standard one.
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bigjocker
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posted October 13, 2009 08:04 PM |
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There are only 2-3 frames needed for the shooting effect. You can use already the effects from various attacks for any creature. For example, copy/paste the zealot shooting effect in 2-3 frames of attacks. Now it has fire shooting. On the net you can find even better effects and combined with appropriate sound.
Moreover, if the x creature attack sound is empty, it can be scripted in battle to use different wav for every action, defend, attack, block etc. So you can have more than the standard one.
I KNOW. the problem is if I change one shot's animation it will affect all creatures using that shot, for example, if I change Zealot's shot, War Zealot's shot will change too. That's why I have to use specific creatures. And If I want to make shooting creatures with it's own shot animation, there comes hard coding, and I'm green in that. And about sounds, I KNOW TOO. You are looking at me like I'm real nub here. However thanks for help.
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Salamandre
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posted October 13, 2009 08:18 PM |
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Well, it has never been done, so I did not know you KNEW. It will be a first time and interesting to follow. Good luck!
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You are looking at me like I'm real nub here.
Me? No. I am happy you give them some work to do. However some of the things you imagined can't be done right now via scripting, but surely Siegfried will inform you in time.
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bigjocker
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posted October 13, 2009 09:05 PM |
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Well, it has never been done, so I did not know you KNEW. It will be a first time and interesting to follow. Good luck!
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You are looking at me like I'm real nub here.
Me? No. I am happy you give them some work to do. However some of the things you imagined can't be done right now via scripting, but surely Siegfried will inform you in time.
Sorry for my reaction, you know more then I do, you are good artist and I event like you. You are helping people, more when anyone else. Just I don't like when people explaining me the things what I know for a long time. You surely couldn't know.
I'm actually not even expecting for everything to work and look like I imagine, but it's worth trying.
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ByteBandit
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posted October 13, 2009 09:26 PM |
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Hey BJ!
Keep us informed on the Archives if you ever find the time to do so. It really is good to see you back, and I knew it would only be a matter of time.... 
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Salamandre
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posted October 14, 2009 12:57 AM |
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Here are my thoughts about the overall:
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1. About 25-30% of the creatures will be changed. Some will be remade.
Easy to do, however if by one person alone it will be optimal. By several people the different qualities layouts will be noticeable. But we have only a life.
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2. New spell "Anger", it will make the upgraded creature to upgrade one more time to it's "angry" form. (this spell will replace one other)
Seems to me you want to create a clone of frenzy spell, as changing the creature look is not possible atm. Interesting idea, if given more abilities than simple frenzy. Of course there should be penalties as well.
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3. New magic system (H5-like)
Sorry you are in wrong forum. 
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4. Each town will have a Giant Prtector (only 1 per town, even from the begining of the game. Different for each faction). It will be very strong, but you won't be able to take them from the town. For Inferno it will be Apocalypto itself.
I think you will be forced by majority to modify this. Why should one create a such cool thing then keep them in town, where battles never happen?
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5. Each faction will have racial automatic specialisations.
Loooong to script.
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6. Interface of the game will be changed.
It can be done but very limited as it is mostly hardcoded (ok I shout up, you already KNOW this)
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7. I'll may try to change the look of some spells.
8. New looks for commanders.
9. New backgrounds for towns.
Wonderful
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10. Blank artifacts used and well scripted. (One of them will be that epic sword-Doomcaller)
A must.
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11. Some Ideas may come later
We hope so
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Siegfried
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posted October 14, 2009 09:01 AM |
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However some of the things you imagined can't be done right now via scripting, but surely Siegfried will inform you in time.
*Grin* Sure!
What can't be done in erm can't be done by me. Well, we'll see.
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bigjocker
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posted October 14, 2009 03:54 PM |
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This night I was thinking a lot of this project so this is how it will be. It's also respond to Salamdre's post.
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1. About 25-30% of the creatures will be changed. Some will be remade.
The number will be more about 15-20% because of complexity to make spell "anger" and just some creatures look good as they are, and I'm still the only graphic artist in this project, so it's too much for one man.
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2. New spell "Anger", it will make the upgraded creature to upgrade one more time to it's "angry" form. (this spell will replace one other)
This wont be done.
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3. New magic system (H5-like)
At least I Will TRY to make something similar. It won't be a copy or something, just new different schools of magic.
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4. Each town will have a Giant Prtector (only 1 per town, even from the begining of the game. Different for each faction). It will be very strong, but you won't be able to take them from the town. For Inferno it will be Apocalypto itself.
Those creatures will be like bosses with spec abilities. Something like in Disciples, but in Heroes style.
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5. Each faction will have racial automatic specialisations.
It won't be so superb, so there shouldn't be so much scripting.
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6. Interface of the game will be changed.
I'm not going to touch hard code, so it will be minor changes.
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7. I'll may try to change the look of some spells.
8. New looks for commanders.
9. New backgrounds for towns.
Only not sure about spells, but will try to change it, because everyone uses it a lot I think and it would be cool to have something new.
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10. Blank artifacts used and well scripted. (One of them will be that epic sword-Doomcaller)
It surely will be done. It will be scripted to have interesting features.
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11. Some Ideas may come later
I always have some ideas, it's just not everything possible.
AND SOME NEWS:
Alpha versions of Apocalypto's special guards:
Apo Minion (lvl5)
Apo Commander (lvl6)
Apo Sorcerer (lvl7)
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antipaladin
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posted October 14, 2009 04:08 PM |
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Very nice!
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gnollking
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posted October 14, 2009 09:14 PM |
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You just made them in a couple of hours  .
They look awesome  .
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bigjocker
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posted October 14, 2009 10:05 PM |
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You just made them in a couple of hours .
They look awesome .
They are from world of warcraft. I just extract each frame,choose needed ones, make each frame good size, good palette, good colour, put frames in good sequence and pack it to def file.
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gnollking
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posted October 14, 2009 10:10 PM |
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Ok .
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Siegfried
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posted October 15, 2009 09:57 AM |
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@BJ: Perhaps you might want to take a look at my project of reworking the WoG scripts: http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=31303&pagenumber=2
Mainly the idea for increasing fire magic for heretics having the right skill combo may be interesting. Additionaly artifacts may increase or decrease this extra boost.
So this is not a general fire magic boost, but a special one, only open for heretics. I have a similar boost with other effects and other prerequisites for clerics. For other magic classes i'm still looking for ideas. But this fire magic boost might be of interest for Apo
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bigjocker
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posted October 15, 2009 03:07 PM |
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@BJ: Perhaps you might want to take a look at my project of reworking the WoG scripts: http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=31303&pagenumber=2
Mainly the idea for increasing fire magic for heretics having the right skill combo may be interesting. Additionaly artifacts may increase or decrease this extra boost.
So this is not a general fire magic boost, but a special one, only open for heretics. I have a similar boost with other effects and other prerequisites for clerics. For other magic classes i'm still looking for ideas. But this fire magic boost might be of interest for Apo
It's actually a very good idea as I'm going to make faction specific boosts. (well, you gonna make, because I'm not a very good scripter. I will tell all info when we have our web site)
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bigjocker
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posted October 16, 2009 03:05 PM |
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Sorry for double post
I was working today on Apocalypto's portrait's and advaneture def, also prepared Apo minion's frames for use and good pallete for him, and I didn't finish it, so I understood that I have too little time for making my own project. So the project won't continue. Sorry for such a rush and for breaking some dreams. Didn't think that this will happen, I was really ready to make it and finish it, but it would last too long. Ofcourse some of you don't care about how much to wait, but I'm just not that man, who would work on one thing for very long time, I love dinamic things and daily routine is not for me. I'm really sorry.
On the other hand, i'm not leaving wog modding, so feel free to ask for help, and I will still make some minor mods for you all to enjoy.
Thank's for wishing luck and sorry again.
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Salamandre
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posted October 16, 2009 03:12 PM |
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Well man, this happened to all projects about changing the universe. Why just not stick to less ideas but doable in the mean time. Various small projects=huge database. Huge projects=locked after some time.
Truth to be said, I wasn't expecting this one to give up so soon. maybe reconsider with less options?
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antipaladin
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posted October 16, 2009 03:41 PM |
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this is an epidemy,i thought it be finished atleast,as a person who also used to mod h3,its a dieses that strikes in the hearts of developers of mods that disables them to continue,if we only had a cure.
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