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SKPRIMUS
Promising
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The One and the Prime
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posted November 04, 2009 11:44 PM |
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...I would replace griff building with mage guild 2, because if you can get regeneration you dont need war machines, all you need is two cavaliers and light magic. In a long run war machines will be a wasted skill, if you manage to creep without it...
As usual, Kispagat provides great insight which goes straight to the point  [I'm glad it's not far from what I think ]
I couldn't remember 100% but yeah: lvl 3 building early was also a resource waste too (but I didn't build blacksmith early anyway ).
Question: would you build mage guild 2 in 2nd wk
[my bad experience with TotE single-player haven mage guild so often gives me "non-optimal" creeping spells like div str/clean/deflect missiles/whatever/word of light that is  & each mage guild use up 5 wood & 5 ore! But yeah regen is the biggest difference in game development & probably worth the gamble]
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Fauch
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
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posted November 05, 2009 01:03 PM |
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what about starting with laslo?
footmen aren't the best unit but they have large shield and laslo has the perk which gives +2 HPs.
also, squires are more than fodders, they shield allies and are good at protecting crossbowmen (of course you start without archers if you choose laslo, but you have quite a tough ground force that can take more punishment before falling)
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 05, 2009 01:23 PM |
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I would not change it in favour of cavaliers/angels and castle week 2.
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scythesong
Adventuring Hero
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posted November 06, 2009 03:16 AM |
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What matters in impossible difficulty is surviving early game. Any tactic that helps you do this is a good tactic. Be creative. Your starting hero should be one that's better for early game, later on you can just have him defend your town and switch to Klaus. Your build order should be a side effect of what you're planning to achieve. Going castle+creature dwellings can work but not when you're closed in or if the map doesn't have an overabundance of overland resources. Better to focus on the buildings you need most and get a capitol/castle asap if you think you can do so. The computer is likely to have a healthy supply of level creatures lvl 1-7 by week 2 - there is simply no way your town can conjure up any army that can compare to that, not to mention you'll barely be able to buy anything and build stuff at the same time. The computer will not attack you early game if you have a castle - it doesn't take a genius to know the advantages of having 3 arrow towers and a wall, not to mention possible exploits. If you had a capitol by then, you'd be able to build a sizeable army to chase after the computer as he tries to re-hire. But if you went creature generators and were not able to gain the advantage.... you're screwed.
The computer's hero will also be better leveled and better equipped than yours. It will take something like knowledge of special quirks in a map (like refugee camps and secret stashes of gold) to offset that, if you decided to go creature generators. Some other strategies might also work, but you will need to live long enough to test them.
When you figure out what you need to do, then you can start being more daring. The amount of freedom you have for improvising is different from town to town, and I'm not sure what works best for Haven. From my games Sylvan seems to be in themost risk for not playing safe, while Necropolis can basically do anything it wants in impossible.
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BTW, things are different if you play impossible exclusively vs players. All humans start with the same settings, so obviously there's no need to hang back. It's when there's a computer player that things can get complicated.
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ambidext
Adventuring Hero
Wandering knight
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posted November 06, 2009 07:17 AM |
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There is nothing wrong with using Klaus as your main. I'm curious to know what skills you pick or go for though because these are the choices that really matter.
Early game Haven can benefit a lot from a hero with Divine Guidance for instance.
Crossbowmen are good but without a hero who can get them to shoot more often they won't make such a difference when facing larger neutral stacks or enemy heroes.
Later on Divine Guidance on champions can be good still.
Fast creeping is needed to get as many resources as possible because training costs an arm and a leg. If you try and train Champions or Paladins you won't have enough zealots and Inquisitors left for them to be of much use so getting some other creatures from a captured town or a dwelling may be a valid option.
Klaus starts with Retaliation Strike and Basic Attack so you have many options that are opened to you. His bonus to Retaliation Strike and Jousting damage are not bad at all. I suggest you use the Skillwheel to see what skills and abilities you'd rather pick (first choices, second choices and skills you skip), that would be useful information in order to help you improve your game.
My skills are usually:
Counterstrike
Attack
Luck
Light magic
Leadership
Warmachines or Logistics
As for chests, yes I go for gold. Until say, month 2?
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ambidext
Adventuring Hero
Wandering knight
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posted November 06, 2009 07:24 AM |
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Thanks for all the replies. Some pointers I never thought of before, but generally I think I'm now convinced the warmachines are very essential for Haven's early game. Will try another game soon.
By the way, I just played Sylvan today. It's so much easier compared to Haven. Got a decent size of Hunters by week 1, by week 2 I can nearly clear everything. And my army was on par with the Computer's size. Survived the first attack without the Castle. =.=
Haven just doesn't seem to be for beginners. Sylvan's a much user-friendly choice for quick/1v1 games.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 06, 2009 09:07 AM |
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By the way, I just played Sylvan today. It's so much easier compared to Haven. Got a decent size of Hunters by week 1, by week 2 I can nearly clear everything.
Haven just doesn't seem to be for beginners. Sylvan's a much user-friendly choice for quick/1v1 games.
If you play Ossir all the time. Vittorio is still a lot easier and more effective for creeping.
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Cleave
Promising
Famous Hero
Raging Blood
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posted November 06, 2009 05:23 PM |
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Edited by Cleave at 17:24, 06 Nov 2009.
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That really depends on the map and your style. I can beat the AI on any level with Sylvan but I can't get anywhere with Haven if I don't get Divine Guidance.
I know people praise certain heroes like Ossir or Vittorio but they only make some aspects of the game easier. It's like playing Fortress with Ingvar only.
IMO trying different heroes and combinations make the game more interesting (and challenging).
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 06, 2009 05:39 PM |
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There is a difference between knowing how to play Ossir and knowing how to play sylvan
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pei
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Fresh Air.
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posted November 06, 2009 05:54 PM |
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 Good one,Elvin. I choose Wyngaal these days.
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Elvin
Admirable
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Endless Revival
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posted November 06, 2009 11:14 PM |
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He is the worst of them all actually. There are 3 classic rules the majority of players accept in a multiplayer game - no hit&run, no mentoring kamikaze heroes and no Wyngaal 
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SKPRIMUS
Promising
Supreme Hero
The One and the Prime
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posted November 06, 2009 11:34 PM |
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Edited by SKPRIMUS at 23:35, 06 Nov 2009.
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...generally I think I'm now convinced the warmachines are very essential for Haven's early game...
@Ambidext: just for info, I tried heroic with highest map difficulty in The Art of Strategy as Dougal where AI randomised Dirael-Sylvan... managed to withstand its first attack on me just after I passed pack of death drags & got lion crown...& thereafter win my first haven game v AI heroic
So it just means that one doesn't need to be an expert to win a non-large map with haven heroic sometimes AI didn't pick up major arti like dwarven arti with +4knowledge & used instant travel to get to me but only used non-mass slow spell in battle...
It was done without warmachines/divine guidance/regen - also in first ~5 levels, haven's best hero is dougal - looks like I gained a bit of knowledge of relative powers of hero/creatures/perks playing Elvin's duel map
[ofc palying heroic AI is different to palying agst person]
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Hope defeats despair - "a blatant clue"
too many idiots in VW
"to lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose"
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 06, 2009 11:38 PM |
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Looking forward to having you back Primus
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Cleave
Promising
Famous Hero
Raging Blood
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posted November 07, 2009 03:47 PM |
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Edited by Cleave at 15:49, 07 Nov 2009.
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There is a difference between knowing how to play Ossir and knowing how to play sylvan
That's right.
My favourite Ranger is Vinrael because he can easily get Mentoring and then loads of upgraded Blade Dancers with Battle Commander (provided by secondary heroes).
I like Ylthin a lot because she starts with Light (I got Vinrael to level 21 without ever being able to pick Light Magic once).
Truth be told I never liked Ossir that much as Hunters are awesome but too fragile and I believe that Sylvan armies are not just about Hunters.
I did pick my avatar because I'm a believer in Nature's Wrath. 
Can someone post a link for The Art of Strategy please, I'd like to see how it works (especially with Magnomagus's mod).
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SKPRIMUS
Promising
Supreme Hero
The One and the Prime
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posted November 07, 2009 11:03 PM |
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lol, er, The Art of Strategy map comes with TotE, just tick the box for "show multiplayer mapa" in map selection screen
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Hope defeats despair - "a blatant clue"
too many idiots in VW
"to lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose"
bashing orcus
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Cleave
Promising
Famous Hero
Raging Blood
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posted November 08, 2009 06:59 PM |
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pei
Famous Hero
Fresh Air.
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posted November 09, 2009 03:15 AM |
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wyngaaaaaaal :)
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He is the worst of them all actually. There are 3 classic rules the majority of players accept in a multiplayer game - no hit&run, no mentoring kamikaze heroes and no Wyngaal
Haha who knows? i just change cause i dont like to play with the same heroes over and over again. Why is Wyngaal included in the MP NOT LIST?
I hope Naadir isnt in that bad list neither, i do a decent necro game with him...i think
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted November 09, 2009 09:52 AM |
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Wyngaal bonus to initiative is insane at higher levels. Since Sylvan is a pretty decent 'first strike' town as is, giving them further init bonus makes them extreamly deadly. He has a bit of difficulty at the beginning compaired to some, but mid/late game creeping is a breeze and he is extreamly difficult to counter by other heroes of any kind also. He is IMBA.
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SKPRIMUS
Promising
Supreme Hero
The One and the Prime
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posted November 09, 2009 10:54 AM |
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Just expanding on Mytical's post: if one has played with Wyngaal & compared to other sylvan heroes, then one would notice that even at lvl 10, the starting init bonus is already . It is very feasible to creep hunters, druids & mages [& their upgrades ofc] with minimal losses because your own AAs & elder druids will very likely shoot/cast first That's not even mid-game...& in later big battles, the start init bonus plus tactics plus possible init arti(s) is haha & makes your hard-hitting stacks go before critical enemy stacks with luck and/or avenger decimating them...
{& then there is the imho very helpful sylvan skillwheel & great hero attribute distribution for creeping & two unique TotE creature specials but that's another story}
[yeah I love Wyngaal sylvan ]
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Hope defeats despair - "a blatant clue"
too many idiots in VW
"to lose is to win, and he who wins shall lose"
bashing orcus
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ambidext
Adventuring Hero
Wandering knight
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posted November 09, 2009 07:22 PM |
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1v1 on Heroic... o.O Well I'm gonna try Vittoro and Wyngal soon ^^
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