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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted November 20, 2009 06:39 PM |
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Anyone playing with no rules?
Is anyone here that doesn't play with rules?
I want to start playing again but seems that everyone here plays with a thousand rules and it's booooring as snow...
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted November 20, 2009 06:40 PM |
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Edited by Elvin at 18:43, 20 Nov 2009.
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Why the snow am I trying to get penalized by typing snow?
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Clay_Man
Known Hero
TOH gamer
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posted November 20, 2009 06:45 PM |
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Since dv is disabled in most fixed maps I'd do. (ok, maybe no mentored kamikaze thats all).
I have another question: would anyone play custom? (no, I'm not asking you infinitus  )
Btw Samiekl you know there are forum rules and stuff 
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted November 20, 2009 06:53 PM |
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rules again...
Why not mentoring? Isn't it more interesting when you defeat a guy/natalka that sent 100 kamikazes?
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted November 20, 2009 07:10 PM |
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I play only with no rules, no false morale, no mods ... Glad to hear someone else on TOH like "clean" games. Played with Willgefors, Camoes and Vex this way a lot but they all gone. I know Samiekl you don't like RMG, still we can try to play some games for fun ... For training purpose 
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
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posted November 20, 2009 07:30 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 19:31, 20 Nov 2009.
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rules again...
Why not mentoring? Isn't it more interesting when you defeat a guy/natalka that sent 100 kamikazes?
NONO Actually its much more satisfying to actually beat your opponent heads up when your both evenly matched. INstead of always trying to find some cheesy way of showing up at final battle with some super unbalanced angle or drastic advantage so you dont need to actually use your brain for battle skills in final battle.
I would love to use no rules... and the day the UBI or any gaming company is able to create a balanced game... then I would be glad to not use them.. until then.. rules are a necessary evil.
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted November 20, 2009 07:34 PM |
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Shut up Jinxer, you're confusing whole game-tactics with battle tactics. If you crept perfectly, built perfectly and your opponent beats you with 'cheesy' tactics, then he's a lot smarter than you and outplayed you in every single way/stage of the game.
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted November 20, 2009 07:39 PM |
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All my games was with hnr on, mentoring on, Wyngaal on, all on ... Willgefors used hnr a lot vs me, still none of this games was lost because hnr ... Rules are noob attitude, i don't know how to counter hnr - bun hnr. Is the simplest and very boring way to go ...
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted November 20, 2009 07:49 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 20:01, 20 Nov 2009.
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Shut up Jinxer
Very grown up of you Sam.. keep in mind I am only voicing my opinion. I dont expect you to like it.. but you could be an adult and accept it. And simply say you disagree.
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you're confusing whole game-tactics with battle tactics. If you crept perfectly, built perfectly and your opponent beats you with 'cheesy' tactics, then he's a lot smarter than you and outplayed you in every single way/stage of the game.
And infact I am not confusing it.. You actually proved my point of view very clearly.. If I build perfectly and I play perfectly, and my opponent wanders in and steals game with some cheesy hit and run or townsitting tactic that took no effort all game to establish.. theu earned nothing.. they simply exploited a game design flaw. So smarter?? NO. Outplayed me?? NO These cheesy tactics are simply a way for less skilled players to hide that fact. Infact usually they choose to townsit or hit and run, when they realize that they infact cannot win the conventional/normal way.
If you like playing that way.. great. I respect that. I suggest you play with others with similar likes. The rest of the community are content with a few rules to balance out the game.
We have been carrying on just fine while you been gone.. I am sure if you decide to not make a comeback.. that we will still carry on just as well. Peace!
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infinitus
Supreme Hero
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posted November 20, 2009 07:52 PM |
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Nice welcome back, TOH are so friendly Samiekl is time to educate some newcomers in the proper way
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samiekl
Supreme Hero
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posted November 20, 2009 07:58 PM |
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Is anyone here that doesn't play with rules?
I want to start playing again but seems that everyone here plays with a thousand rules and it's booooring as snow...
This is the post. Where do you see someone asking for opinions? It's a matter of saying simple Yes, I'm playing with no rules or not. So bu-bye... 
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DIEGIS
Supreme Hero
power of Zamolxis
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posted November 20, 2009 08:06 PM |
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Edited by DIEGIS at 20:07, 20 Nov 2009.
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HELLOOOOOO EVERYONE!!!!!!
HELLOOOOOOO SAMI!!!!!!!!!!
I cant wait to read the post....but will do it bit later..
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Jinxer
Legendary Hero
*****
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posted November 20, 2009 08:07 PM |
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Edited by Jinxer at 20:39, 20 Nov 2009.
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So bu-bye...
Bye....
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 20, 2009 09:07 PM |
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Rules are noob attitude
Strange coming from a noob
Ahh we missed you samie, you sure know how to stir the blood
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destro23
Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
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posted November 21, 2009 12:10 AM |
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You are on my list samiel, and as you may or may not know, I play with any rules my opponent prefers.. I can play however you like it doesn't matter to me so long as how we play is laid out at the beginning of game
So hit me up if I am online.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted November 21, 2009 01:14 AM |
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I have one question: You remember, before ToH there were three leagues out for HoMM3 with constant rankings (Prometheus, Frank, Vesuvius, Sir Alkis and so on). Those guys played with no rules and still rankings were constant, the best up, the others down. How come those guys played for 6 years with no rules and were never defeated by someone using game flaws like town sitting, hit and run, diplomacy, necromancy, logistic, double build, combine armies and so on?
That was my question Jinxer, your turn.
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Elvin
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Endless Revival
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posted November 21, 2009 01:56 AM |
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The question is not ethical or even about balance but what kind of game you enjoy and respecting your opponent. And no if opponent does use hit&run or whatever and you lose to it you have been outplayed because you simply failed to adapt accordingly. Whether it's cheesy or not is another tale but implying that people who use them do so to defeat noobs could not be further from the truth.
If anything it sounds like you feel superior for not dropping down to their level
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destro23
Promising
Famous Hero
Keeper of GrongGrong
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posted November 21, 2009 03:22 AM |
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I have one question: You remember, before ToH there were three leagues out for HoMM3 with constant rankings (Prometheus, Frank, Vesuvius, Sir Alkis and so on). Those guys played with no rules and still rankings were constant, the best up, the others down. How come those guys played for 6 years with no rules and were never defeated by someone using game flaws like town sitting, hit and run, diplomacy, necromancy, logistic, double build, combine armies and so on?
Sal, The main reason for this is the maps in those days. Extremely fun creations such as firewar campaign, and desert war, and 4 lakes? Boomerang.. these maps were not designed with massive blockades to keep players seperate for weeks and weeks. The old style maps were designed for early and constant encounters. Playing on those maps was a completely different style of game (no better, no worse).
But when you build a map, and then play a map where 85% + of the game is played isolated from the opponent were you build a mega hero to engage in mighty warfare with it sucks when someone doesn't come out and fight, and rather picks you apart with a guerilla type strategy.. it can certainly give you a feeling of time wasted if you were not expecting it.
Either kind of map promotes a different skill set to win in the end. An open map more logistical, and scout based.. early game. The closed maps test a players skill at developing the most efficient hero possible and maximizing army for some large scale fights. The later being slightly more luck based. Having said that, I think both test skill equally.. albeit a different skill set.
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Salamandre
Admirable
Omnipresent Hero
Wog refugee
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posted November 21, 2009 03:40 AM |
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Nice explanation Destro and it is certainly true. However I still think that it is possible to build a mega hero on an open map, even with early encounters and skirmish. The only reason you couldn't do it is when opponent want to finish fast so he rushes towards you (and then town sitting is an effective counter). And those who can build a perfect mega hero but can't handle early rush can't claim to play the complete game, are they?
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dimis
Responsible
Supreme Hero
Digitally signed by FoG
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posted November 21, 2009 03:44 AM |
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off topic entirely
So, Salamandre, do you know Alki ? That guy introduced me to Heroes one summer.
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