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posted January 08, 2010 11:52 PM |
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There are hundreds of KKK splinter groups around these days, some of which are at odds with each other.
Some of these are Christian groups who, instead of committing hate crimes, only combat the major aspects African-American culture, namely rap music.
It is untrue to say the KKK or any hate group is a Chrisitan group.
The New Testament defines who is and who is not a Chrisitan. It says that any person who hates other pepole does not know God.
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1Jn 2:9 He that saith he is in the light, and hateth his brother, is in darkness even until now.
1Jn 3:15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
1Jn 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
More on the democrat party and its racist history.
http://www.black-and-right.com/the-democrat-race-lie/
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While I have written extensively on civil rights history, here’s an except from yet another list of historical bullet points that dispute Democrat claims of civil rights support. As you read through it, remember, Democrats claim they “are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws”…
October 13, 1858
During Lincoln-Douglas debates, U.S. Senator Stephen Douglas (D-IL) states: “I do not regard the Negro as my equal, and positively deny that he is my brother, or any kin to me whatever”; Douglas became Democratic Party’s 1860 presidential nominee
April 16, 1862
President Lincoln signs bill abolishing slavery in District of Columbia; in Congress, 99% of Republicans vote yes, 83% of Democrats vote no
“Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”
July 17, 1862
Over unanimous Democrat opposition, Republican Congress passes Confiscation Act stating that slaves of the Confederacy “shall be forever free”
January 31, 1865
13th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. House with unanimous Republican support, intense Democrat opposition
April 8, 1865
13th Amendment banning slavery passed by U.S. Senate with 100% Republican support, 63% Democrat opposition
November 22, 1865
Republicans denounce Democrat legislature of Mississippi for enacting “black codes,” which institutionalized racial discrimination
February 5, 1866
U.S. Rep. Thaddeus Stevens (R-PA) introduces legislation, successfully opposed by Democrat President Andrew Johnson, to implement “40 acres and a mule” relief by distributing land to former slaves
“Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”
April 9, 1866
Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Johnson’s veto; Civil Rights Act of 1866, conferring rights of citizenship on African-Americans, becomes law
May 10, 1866
U.S. House passes Republicans’ 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the laws to all citizens; 100% of Democrats vote no
June 8, 1866
U.S. Senate passes Republicans’ 14th Amendment guaranteeing due process and equal protection of the law to all citizens; 94% of Republicans vote yes and 100% of Democrats vote no
“Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”
January 8, 1867
Republicans override Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of law granting voting rights to African-Americans in D.C.
July 19, 1867
Republican Congress overrides Democrat President Andrew Johnson’s veto of legislation protecting voting rights of African-Americans
March 30, 1868
Republicans begin impeachment trial of Democrat President Andrew Johnson, who declared: “This is a country for white men, and by God, as long as I am President, it shall be a government of white men”
September 3, 1868
25 African-Americans in Georgia legislature, all Republicans, expelled by Democrat majority; later reinstated by Republican Congress
September 12, 1868
Civil rights activist Tunis Campbell and all other African-Americans in Georgia Senate, every one a Republican, expelled by Democrat majority; would later be reinstated by Republican Congress
“Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”
October 7, 1868
Republicans denounce Democratic Party’s national campaign theme: “This is a white man’s country: Let white men rule”
October 22, 1868
While campaigning for re-election, Republican U.S. Rep. James Hinds (R-AR) is assassinated by Democrat terrorists who organized as the Ku Klux Klan
December 10, 1869
Republican Gov. John Campbell of Wyoming Territory signs FIRST-in-nation law granting women right to vote and to hold public office
February 3, 1870
After passing House with 98% Republican support and 97% Democrat opposition, Republicans’ 15th Amendment is ratified, granting vote to all Americans regardless of race
“Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”
May 31, 1870
President U.S. Grant signs Republicans’ Enforcement Act, providing stiff penalties for depriving any American’s civil rights
June 22, 1870
Republican Congress creates U.S. Department of Justice, to safeguard the civil rights of African-Americans against Democrats in the South
September 6, 1870
Women vote in Wyoming, in FIRST election after women’s suffrage signed into law by Republican Gov. John Campbell
February 28, 1871
Republican Congress passes Enforcement Act providing federal protection for African-American voters
April 20, 1871
Republican Congress enacts the Ku Klux Klan Act, outlawing Democratic Party-affiliated terrorist groups which oppressed African-Americans
“Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”
October 10, 1871
Following warnings by Philadelphia Democrats against black voting, African-American Republican civil rights activist Octavius Catto murdered by Democratic Party operative; his military funeral was attended by thousands
October 18, 1871
After violence against Republicans in South Carolina, President Ulysses Grant deploys U.S. troops to combat Democrat terrorists who formed the Ku Klux Klan
November 18, 1872
Susan B. Anthony arrested for voting, after boasting to Elizabeth Cady Stanton that she voted for “the Republican ticket, straight”
January 17, 1874
Armed Democrats seize Texas state government, ending Republican efforts to racially integrate government
September 14, 1874
Democrat white supremacists seize Louisiana statehouse in attempt to overthrow racially-integrated administration of Republican Governor William Kellogg; 27 killed
“Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”
March 1, 1875
Civil Rights Act of 1875, guaranteeing access to public accommodations without regard to race, signed by Republican President U.S. Grant; passed with 92% Republican support over 100% Democrat opposition
January 10, 1878
U.S. Senator Aaron Sargent (R-CA) introduces Susan B. Anthony amendment for women’s suffrage; Democrat-controlled Senate defeated it 4 times before election of Republican House and Senate guaranteed its approval in 1919. Republicans foil Democratic efforts to keep women in the kitchen, where they belong
February 8, 1894
Democrat Congress and Democrat President Grover Cleveland join to repeal Republicans’ Enforcement Act, which had enabled African-Americans to vote
January 15, 1901
Republican Booker T. Washington protests Alabama Democratic Party’s refusal to permit voting by African-Americans
“Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”
May 29, 1902
Virginia Democrats implement new state constitution, condemned by Republicans as illegal, reducing African-American voter registration by 86%
February 12, 1909
On 100th anniversary of Abraham Lincoln’s birth, African-American Republicans and women’s suffragists Ida Wells and Mary Terrell co-found the NAACP
May 21, 1919
Republican House passes constitutional amendment granting women the vote with 85% of Republicans in favor, but only 54% of Democrats; in Senate, 80% of Republicans would vote yes, but almost half of Democrats no
August 18, 1920
Republican-authored 19th Amendment, giving women the vote, becomes part of Constitution; 26 of the 36 states to ratify had Republican-controlled legislatures
January 26, 1922
House passes bill authored by U.S. Rep. Leonidas Dyer (R-MO) making lynching a federal crime; Senate Democrats block it with filibuster
“Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”
June 2, 1924
Republican President Calvin Coolidge signs bill passed by Republican Congress granting U.S. citizenship to all Native Americans
October 3, 1924
Republicans denounce three-time Democrat presidential nominee William Jennings Bryan for defending the Ku Klux Klan at 1924 Democratic National Convention
June 12, 1929
First Lady Lou Hoover invites wife of U.S. Rep. Oscar De Priest (R-IL), an African-American, to tea at the White House, sparking protests by Democrats across the country
August 17, 1937
Republicans organize opposition to former Ku Klux Klansman and Democrat U.S. Senator Hugo Black, appointed to U.S. Supreme Court by FDR; his Klan background was hidden until after confirmation
June 24, 1940
Republican Party platform calls for integration of the armed forces; for the balance of his terms in office, FDR refuses to order it
“Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”
August 8, 1945
Republicans condemn Harry Truman’s surprise use of the atomic bomb in Japan. The whining and criticism goes on for years. It begins two days after the Hiroshima bombing, when former Republican President Herbert Hoover writes to a friend that “The use of the atomic bomb, with its indiscriminate killing of women and children, revolts my soul.”
September 30, 1953
Earl Warren, California’s three-term Republican Governor and 1948 Republican vice presidential nominee, nominated to be Chief Justice; wrote landmark decision in Brown v. Board of Education
November 25, 1955
Eisenhower administration bans racial segregation of interstate bus travel
March 12, 1956
Ninety-seven Democrats in Congress condemn Supreme Court’s decision in Brown v. Board of Education, and pledge to continue segregation
June 5, 1956
Republican federal judge Frank Johnson rules in favor of Rosa Parks in decision striking down “blacks in the back of the bus” law
November 6, 1956
African-American civil rights leaders Martin Luther King and Ralph Abernathy vote for Republican Dwight Eisenhower for President
September 9, 1957
President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republican Party’s 1957 Civil Rights Act
“Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”
September 24, 1957
Sparking criticism from Democrats such as Senators John Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson, President Dwight Eisenhower deploys the 82nd Airborne Division to Little Rock, AR to force Democrat Governor Orval Faubus to integrate public schools
May 6, 1960
President Dwight Eisenhower signs Republicans’ Civil Rights Act of 1960, overcoming 125-hour, around-the-clock filibuster by 18 Senate Democrats
May 2, 1963
Republicans condemn Democrat sheriff of Birmingham, AL for arresting over 2,000 African-American schoolchildren marching for their civil rights
September 29, 1963
Gov. George Wallace (D-AL) defies order by U.S. District Judge Frank Johnson, appointed by President Dwight Eisenhower, to integrate Tuskegee High School
June 9, 1964
Republicans condemn 14-hour filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act by U.S. Senator and former Ku Klux Klansman Robert Byrd (D-WV), who still serves in the Senate
“Democrats are unwavering in our support of equal opportunity for all Americans. That’s why we’ve worked to pass every one of our nation’s Civil Rights laws… On every civil rights issue, Democrats have led the fight.”
June 10, 1964
Senate Minority Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) criticizes Democrat filibuster against 1964 Civil Rights Act, calls on Democrats to stop opposing racial equality. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was introduced and approved by a staggering majority of Republicans in the Senate. The Act was opposed by most southern Democrat senators, several of whom were proud segregationists—one of them being Al Gore Sr. Democrat President Lyndon B. Johnson relied on Illinois Senator Everett Dirksen, the Republican leader from Illinois, to get the Act passed.
August 4, 1965
Senate Republican Leader Everett Dirksen (R-IL) overcomes Democrat attempts to block 1965 Voting Rights Act; 94% of Senate Republicans vote for landmark civil right legislation, while 27% of Democrats oppose. Voting Rights Act of 1965, abolishing literacy tests and other measures devised by Democrats to prevent African-Americans from voting, signed into law; higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats vote in favor
February 19, 1976
President Gerald Ford formally rescinds President Franklin Roosevelt’s notorious Executive Order authorizing internment of over 120,000 Japanese-Americans during WWII
September 15, 1981
President Ronald Reagan establishes the White House Initiative on Historically Black Colleges and Universities, to increase African-American participation in federal education programs
June 29, 1982
President Ronald Reagan signs 25-year extension of 1965 Voting Rights Act
August 10, 1988
President Ronald Reagan signs Civil Liberties Act of 1988, compensating Japanese-Americans for deprivation of civil rights and property during World War II internment ordered by FDR
November 21, 1991
President George H. W. Bush signs Civil Rights Act of 1991 to strengthen federal civil rights legislation
August 20, 1996
Bill authored by U.S. Rep. Susan Molinari (R-NY) to prohibit racial discrimination in adoptions, part of Republicans’ Contract With America, becomes law
And let’s not forget the words of liberal icon Margaret Sanger, founder of Planned Parenthood…
We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population….
So the next time any Democrat claims they’ve been supportive of civil rights in America (and been so all along), ask them to explain their past. “We’ve grown” is not gonna cut it, considering they continue to lie about their past to this day.
And I’m tired of the recitation that Southern Democrats became Republicans and took their racist tendencies with them. It didn’t take the Clintons and Barack Obama (Democrats) long to trade race cards, did it?
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posted January 09, 2010 12:37 AM |
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Hi guys! I got interested in this.. I live in Croatia, and I know little of American politics except that the left-wingers/socialists where very enthusiastic with Obama when he was installed and are now not so enthusiastic when he continued sending a lot of American troops to the fake-democracy in Afghanistan. Anyway, I have a friend at church whose father lived in America because he was wanted by the communist government in former Yugoslavia and returned to Croatia when we became free. He told me around the election that both parties are actually quite liberal now, that the republican "neoconservatism" is just another name for neoliberalism, and that they only say that they oppose things like abortion and gay marriage, but never actually implement any legalisation against it. He told me that the real conservatives in the U.S. of America have left the republicans and founded the Constitution party that is a more genuinely christian conservative party. think that having two parties that are mostly the same sounds pretty awful! Are people demoralised now when there seems to be no change under Obama? Or is that untrue?
Also, I don't see why you should be discriminated by the government for being a member of a political organisation of any sort. If KKK:ers can be discriminated against, then why not ban all muslims, hippies, greens or communists? They have opinions that can certainly be considered "offensive" them too.
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posted January 09, 2010 01:38 AM |
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I don't think KKK is banned, is it?
By the way, did you ask you friend why his father was wanted by the ex-Yugoslav government? 
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posted January 09, 2010 01:45 AM |
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Elodin:
The key point that you seem to be missing here is that the demographic that was Democratic back in the Civil Rights Movement days and before is Republican now. The old Southern Democrats are now mostly Southern Republicans.
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the republican "neoconservatism" is just another name for neoliberalism
Not quite. Neoliberalism is support for privatisation and free markets. Neoconservatism is an aggressive and idealistic foreign policy that supports bringing "the American Way of Life" to as much of the world as possible, by force if necessary. The two are generally opposed.
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they only say that they oppose things like abortion and gay marriage, but never actually implement any legalisation against it
Well, they do enact legislation against same-sex marriage. As for abortion, it's a clever tactic to mobilise their base. "Yeah, we got our nation into debt? WELL, THE DEMOCRATS WANT TO KEEP ABORTION LEGAL!" And they won't actually make it illegal because then they won't be able to use it to distract people.
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the real conservatives in the U.S. of America have left the republicans and founded the Constitution party that is a more genuinely christian conservative party
The Constitution Party is a bunch of loonies who can't be taken seriously.
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posted January 09, 2010 02:01 AM |
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I have a friend at church whose father lived in America because he was wanted by the communist government in former Yugoslavia
What a coincidence, my grand-grandpa was, too. Though I have a feeling him and your friend's father wouldn't get along too well 
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Edited by Elodin at 16:15, 09 Jan 2010.
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Elodin:
The key point that you seem to be missing here is that the demographic that was Democratic back in the Civil Rights Movement days and before is Republican now. The old Southern Democrats are now mostly Southern Republicans.
But that premise is not true. The Republican party was formed to fight for civl rights and has done so for its entire history. I'm not a Republica but I want the record to be straight on what party has historically stood for what. I am an independant conservative.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=16500
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It should come as no surprise that Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. And as one pundit so succinctly stated, the Democrat Party is as it always has been, the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism.
It was the Democrats who fought to keep blacks in slavery and passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws. The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860s, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950s and 1960s.
During the civil rights era of the 1960s, Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs. It was Republican President Dwight Eisenhower who pushed to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1957 and sent troops to Arkansas to desegregate schools. President Eisenhower also appointed Chief Justice Earl Warren to the U.S. Supreme Court, which resulted in the 1954 Brown v. Board of Education decision ending school segregation. Much is made of Democrat President Harry Truman's issuing an Executive Order in 1948 to desegregate the military. Not mentioned is the fact that it was Eisenhower who actually took action to effectively end segregation in the military.
Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Sen. Al Gore Sr. And after he became President, Kennedy was opposed to the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph, who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Atty. Gen. Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King.
In March of 1968, while referring to Dr. King's leaving Memphis, Tenn., after riots broke out where a teenager was killed, Democrat Sen. Robert Byrd (W.Va.), a former member of the Ku Klux Klan, called Dr. King a "trouble-maker" who starts trouble, but runs like a coward after trouble is ignited. A few weeks later, Dr. King returned to Memphis and was assassinated on April 4, 1968.
Given the circumstances of that era, it is understandable why Dr. King was a Republican. It was the Republicans who fought to free blacks from slavery and amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom (13th Amendment), citizenship (14th Amendment) and the right to vote (15th Amendment). Republicans passed the civil rights laws of the 1860s, including the Civil Rights Act of 1866 and the Reconstruction Act of 1867 that was designed to establish a new government system in the Democrat-controlled South, one that was fair to blacks. Republicans also started the NAACP and affirmative action with Republican President Richard Nixon's 1969 Philadelphia Plan (crafted by black Republican Art Fletcher) that set the nation's fist goals and timetables. Although affirmative action now has been turned by the Democrats into an unfair quota system, affirmative action was begun by Nixon to counter the harm caused to blacks when Democrat President Woodrow Wilson in 1912 kicked all of the blacks out of federal government jobs.
Few black Americans know that it was Republicans who founded the Historically Black Colleges and Universities. Unknown also is the fact that Republican Sen. Everett Dirksen from Illinois was key to the passage of civil rights legislation in 1957, 1960, 1964 and 1965. Not mentioned in recent media stories about extension of the 1965 Voting Rights Act is the fact that Dirksen wrote the language for the bill. Dirksen also crafted the language for the Civil Rights Act of 1968 which prohibited discrimination in housing. President Lyndon Johnson could not have achieved passage of civil rights legislation without the support of Republicans.
Critics of Republican Sen. Barry Goldwater, who ran for President against Johnson in 1964, ignore the fact that Goldwater wanted to force the Democrats in the South to stop passing discriminatory laws and thus end the need to continuously enact federal civil rights legislation.
Those who wrongly criticize Goldwater also ignore the fact that Johnson, in his 4,500 State of the Union Address delivered on Jan. 4, 1965, mentioned scores of topics for federal action, but only 35 words were devoted to civil rights. He did not mention one word about voting rights. Then in 1967, showing his anger with Dr. King's protest against the Vietnam War, Johnson referred to Dr. King as "that snow preacher."
Contrary to the false assertions by Democrats, the racist "Dixiecrats" did not all migrate to the Republican Party. "Dixiecrats" declared that they would rather vote for a "yellow dog" than vote for a Republican because the Republican Party was know as the party for blacks. Today, some of those "Dixiecrats" continue their political careers as Democrats, including Robert Byrd, who is well known for having been a "Keagle" in the Ku Klux Klan.
Another former "Dixiecrat" is former Democrat Sen. Ernest Hollings, who put up the Confederate flag over the state Capitol when he was the governor of South Carolina. There was no public outcry when Democrat Sen. Christopher Dodd praised Byrd as someone who would have been "a great senator for any moment," including the Civil War. Yet Democrats denounced then-Senate GOP leader Trent Lott for his remarks about Sen. Strom Thurmond (R.-S.C.). Thurmond was never in the Ku Klux Klan and defended blacks against lynching and the discriminatory poll taxes imposed on blacks by Democrats. If Byrd and Thurmond were alive during the Civil War, and Byrd had his way, Thurmond would have been lynched.
The 30-year odyssey of the South switching to the Republican Party began in the 1970s with President Richard Nixon's "Southern Strategy," which was an effort on the part of Nixon to get Christians in the South to stop voting for Democrats who did not share their values and were still discriminating against their fellow Christians who happened to be black. Georgia did not switch until 2002, and some Southern states, including Louisiana, are still controlled by Democrats.
Today, Democrats, in pursuit of their socialist agenda, are fighting to keep blacks poor, angry and voting for Democrats. Examples of how egregiously Democrats act to keep blacks in poverty are numerous.
After wrongly convincing black Americans that a minimum wage increase was a good thing, the Democrats on August 3 kept their promise and killed the minimum wage bill passed by House Republicans on July 29. The blockage of the minimum wage bill was the second time in as many years that Democrats stuck a legislative finger in the eye of black Americans. Senate Democrats on April 1, 2004, blocked passage of a bill to renew the 1996 welfare reform law that was pushed by Republicans and vetoed twice by President Clinton before he finally signed it. Since the welfare reform law expired in September 2002, Congress had passed six extensions, and the latest expired on June 30, 2004. Opposed by the Democrats are school choice opportunity scholarships that would help black children get out of failing schools and Social Security reform, even though blacks on average lose $10,000 in the current system because of a shorter life expectancy than whites (72.2 years for blacks vs. 77.5 years for whites).
Democrats have been running our inner-cities for the past 30 to 40 years, and blacks are still complaining about the same problems. More than $7 trillion dollars have been spent on poverty programs since Lyndon Johnson's War on Poverty with little, if any, impact on poverty. Diabolically, every election cycle, Democrats blame Republicans for the deplorable conditions in the inner-cities, then incite blacks to cast a protest vote against Republicans.
In order to break the Democrats' stranglehold on the black vote and free black Americans from the Democrat Party's economic plantation, we must shed the light of truth on the Democrats. We must demonstrate that the Democrat Party policies of socialism and dependency on government handouts offer the pathway to poverty, while Republican Party principles of hard work, personal responsibility, getting a good education and ownership of homes and small businesses offer the pathway to prosperity.
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posted January 09, 2010 07:48 PM |
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The Republican Party 50 years ago =/= The Republican Party now.
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posted January 09, 2010 08:12 PM |
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I think this thread proves that Elodin is either living in the 1950's, the american civil war, or a strange alternate dimension where kennedy didn't die and abolished the democracy of the united states to run it as a dicatorship of the democrat party where the republicans have been forced underground to become some kind of heroic resistance group.
It also proves he has a hair trigger temper about anything republican or christian related. all someone said, probably as a joke, was that the republicans might have been involved in the KKK, and Elodin flips out over it like we just pissed on his sainted mother! the same when we mentioned christian hate groups, which, I don't know about you, Elodin, but I have certainly come across, but that's for the religion thread.
are you saying that there is nothing in the republican parties past that isn't dodgy in any way? no watergate? no enron? no war in iraq? no spectrum oil? nothing?
if yes, then you sir are more naive than a shuto character!
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posted January 09, 2010 09:29 PM |
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The Republican Party 50 years ago =/= The Republican Party now.
The democrat party that fought to preserve slavery and against civil rights is the same old racist party at heart.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100109/ap_on_el_se/us_obama_reid
The top Democrat in the U.S. Senate apologized on Saturday for comments he made about Barack Obama's race during the 2008 presidential bid and are quoted in a yet-to-be-released book about the campaign.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada described in private then-Sen. Barack Obama as "light skinned" and "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one." Obama is the nation's first African-American president.
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I think this thread proves that Elodin is either living in the 1950's, the american civil war, or a strange alternate dimension where kennedy didn't die and abolished the democracy of the united states to run it as a dicatorship of the democrat party where the republicans have been forced underground to become some kind of heroic resistance group.
Huh? False statments were made and I showed the actual truth that it is the Republicn paty that has championed civil rights and the deomoncrats who fought against civil rights. I'm sorry if you find the truth disturbing.
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It also proves he has a hair trigger temper about anything republican or christian related. all someone said, probably as a joke, was that the republicans might have been involved in the KKK, and Elodin flips out over it like we just pissed on his sainted mother! the same when we mentioned christian hate groups, which, I don't know about you, Elodin, but I have certainly come across, but that's for the religion thread.
I'm not sure exactly how listing the facts is "flipping out."
No, I assure you if you had urinated on my mother you would not be typing your rant.
And I have proven there are no Christian hate groups because the New Testament defines Christianity.
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are you saying that there is nothing in the republican parties past that isn't dodgy in any way?
I am an independent, not a Republcan. I do not defend everything the Republican party does.
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posted January 09, 2010 09:36 PM |
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What Reid said is factually true. Obama does not regularly speak Ebonics. Don't see anything racist about that.
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posted January 09, 2010 10:16 PM |
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I think this thread proves that Elodin is either living in the 1950's, the american civil war, or a strange alternate dimension where kennedy didn't die and abolished the democracy of the united states to run it as a dicatorship of the democrat party where the republicans have been forced underground to become some kind of heroic resistance group.
Huh? False statments were made and I showed the actual truth that it is the Republicn paty that has championed civil rights and the deomoncrats who fought against civil rights. I'm sorry if you find the truth disturbing.
as I say, you are living in the 1950's or the civil war, and are ignoring most of what has happened so far. how can the democrats fight against civil rights now with, I repeat PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA IN OFFICE, THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT WHO IS A DEMOCRAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And I have proven there are no Christian hate groups because the New Testament defines Christianity.
Oh yes, as the bible defines christians as the nicest of nice peoples in the whole of nice land.
I was going to save this for the religion thread, but you have orced my hand.
I was in my local town one day, with a bunch of friends. one of them was a girl called grace, a lovely girl, who I'm really good friends with. in fact, I'm really good friends with her family in general, they are a really nice and welcoming bunch of people.
they are also pagan, and this is the crucial part.
Anyway, we were walking down into the local town, and we see a bunch of people trying to raise money for the local church. We past by them.
"snow!" one of them yelled out, pointing at Grace.
"Heathen scum!" yelled another, also pointing at her.
"What?" most of us responded.
"Why are you around that pagan?" demanded a woman with a crucifix around her neck "She'll turn you to the devil!"
"Look, you must be confused with someone else," I tried to say.
"Suffer not the witch that live!" yelled another, advancing on us. this was broad day-light, as well. Grace was mortified.
"that family of your's is sinful!" proclaimed the woman, "I've seen them, displaying their unholy faith!"
"Seriously," I said back... I should point out that at this time the police were coming over to see what the problem was and overheard this bit "Shut the f*** up."
the coppers came and told us to move on, otherwise we'd get an asbo, the group who had started this simply caried on, giving grace the most evil of stares!
I have met good christians. When I was in ireland, living with friends in dublin, the priest of the local church (whom my friends go to), Ian, was a really, genuinely nice guy, who owned a large collection of marvel comics but let's not go into that. but I have also met some bad ones as well, like the group mentioned and another person whose at my university at the moment.
I am trying to write a story, a comic, about a bunch of Teenage superheroes. Think the justice league meets grange-hill or the avengers meets skins, showing every day 6thform college life, just the students are all superheroes. one of the main characters is a character called John Davidson, otherwise known as Him. He is the anti-christ, as well as the tall, gruff and sarcastic goth kid, who knows what his destiny is and knows that some day he is going to have to destroy the world, along with most people in it. Most of the feedback I've got from people about this story is that this character is either a) badass or b) very very likeable, even from Rev Ian, who actually thought he was one of the best characters in it.
However this one guy, Andrew, at university has not got off my back on it. I'm in Anime society (for those who don't know, Anime society is a society where we basically watch japanese cartoons...as well as make gaming and internet references all the way through, muchos fun.) and so's this guy, and most people there are comic geeks (being no proper comic society.) naturally I've shown this comic around to a few friends there, and we've been discussing it, how some sections might need to be rewritten, cool ideas for spin-offs, and so on.
the basic transcript of what happened the day he found out about Him.
Andrew: what are you talking about?
me: oh, bit's and pieces about that comic...
Andrew: oh the one you're writting?
me: yep, I'm thinking of branching out, possibly focus more on a different character.
the head of anime soc: yeah, most of us think Him would work.
Andrew: who?
me: Him
Andrew: who?
Me: no, his name's him.
andrew: ok, so whose he.
Me: Oh, he's the resident goth kid who also happens to be the anti-christ, and he's fun as hell to write. (imagine andrew's face becoming deadly serious)
Andrew: Change it
Me: what?
Andrew: Change that character, man! that's not funny.
Me: no, he's a serious character. he's smart, he's clever, he's
Andrew: He's the son of satan. Change it now, you're making the devil seem attractive!
Me: What?
Andrew: are you an idiot?! you can't have satanic characters be cool, that would just be...
Me: Dude, you watched the whole of Kurosnowsuji with use, that has a demon as a main character, how can you have beef.
Andrew: seriously, change it. I'm saving you're soul!
He's been pestering me ever since. offering different powers, even offering me bribes in order to change it. He's a nightmare, and he think's he's doing me a favour by doing this, pestering me to betray my creativity at the expense of my soul. He even offered to give me a number for a pastor to excorsise me. I've stuck to my guns, though, Him stays the spawn of satan.
That's my think about "No true christian would hate or murder" definition you've been saying, Elodin. Most of these people would define themselves as christian, but will still hate and snow about stuff, and even do it in the name of their religion. You can't simply dismiss them and say "Oh, their not true christians due to XYQ" they would still see themselves as christians and even see you as a non-believer for doubting them.
why does one religion need to be exclusively without bad people, so no redemption, no forgiveness, and once you stray from the path, that's it? harsh, man, you're not doing your faith any favours.
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are you saying that there is nothing in the republican parties past that isn't dodgy in any way?
I am an independent, not a Republcan. I do not defend everything the Republican party does.
excuse me whilst I inflate my lie ballon....
Oh wait, Independed conservative who thinks that both parties are far too namby pamby and commy-loving to ever make america great. You support the american party who died out! now that explains everything!
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I am an independent, not a Republcan. I do not defend everything the Republican party does.
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Change it now, you're making the devil seem attractive!
The anti-christ would always be a charming man.
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The Republican Party 50 years ago =/= The Republican Party now.
And neither is the Democrat Party. Politics now doesn't even come close to resembling politics 40-50 years ago. When I say politics I mean the issues, both political and social. As far as the parties constantly fighting and blaming each other, nothing has changed.
This country has pretty much been in a continuous leftward movement for at least 50 years. The youth from the 60s and 70s were considered ultra liberal radicals back then, but by today's standards they would be moderate, leaning toward conservative. And except for the most extreme fringe back then, those people would be appalled at both the Republican and Democratic Parties of today, and appalled at the government in general.
This country has turned into a bunch of whining spoiled children who want their mother to do everything for them. And if they whine and cry enough, eventually Mother will give in and give them candy, even though it rots their teeth and just makes them want more.
People are losing the ability to think for themselves. They are losing the ability to do things for themselves. And they are losing their independence and freedom. It's all the result of a populous that looks toward the government to do everything for them, to think for them. And if anyone dares to speak against it, all the whining spoiled children whine even more because the blue meanie tried to steal what they have come to believe is rightfully theirs.
The government is not there to be your mother. It's not there to provide everything for you. That just makes you weak. And it makes you dependent, which is the opposite of independent.
The people who were called liberal in the 60s and 70s absolutely were NOT the types to want the government doing everything for them, or providing for them. They were just the opposite, they were highly independent. That's what all the back-to-nature and living off the land movement was all about. It was about self-sufficiency and independence, and the rejection of government, any government.
The two parties (referring to the leadership and official platforms, not the views of the rank and file members) have moved further and further apart. But the overall movement has most definitely been to the left.
Consider a rubber band. If you put two fingers in it, and stretch it with the left finger while keeping the right finger in the same place, that's what's happen over the last 50 years. The left has moved far left, the middle has also moved left but not as far, and even a portion of the right has moved to the left.
The leftward movement of the populous has not been reflected in the movement of the government itself, nor it's legislation and policies. The government, legislation and policies have gone off in an entirely different direction. Just a few years ago we had a Republican president and Republican controlled Congress. Now we have a Democrat president and Democrat controlled Congress. Does anyone really think that the overall views of a very large population can change that much in just a few years, or even 10 years?
Change in government is usually reactionary, and by no means reflects a core shift within the population. People's core views just don't change that fast. They change slowly over many years or decades as they are exposed to more things and had time to think them through. The occasional rare person who rapidly changes their core views is insignificant in a large population.
So even though the populous has had a slow, nearly continuous leftward movement over the last 40-50+ years, the government has taken regular swings to both the left and right several times during that same period. And in neither case does it reflect the populous.
Bah, I wanted to bring up the "righteous right" movement, but I'm tired of writing. I'll just say that the highly visible "righteous right" doesn't reflect any sort of core movement either. They've just become a lot more visible than in the past.
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People with an ability to think for themselves have always been a small minority. It's not like there are less of them now than before.
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What Reid said is factually true. Obama does not regularly speak Ebonics. Don't see anything racist about that.
Ebonics speech = whassup dog? Yo did u hit that last night?
Negro speech = lordy massah I'll git rite on pickin dem corns. Yessuh.
But come on, the man said it privately and two years ago and he meant it in a positive context about Obama being successful. Non-issue.
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But come on, the man said it privately and two years ago and he meant it in a positive context about Obama being successful. Non-issue.
So its ok since his racist comments weren't yesterday? If a Republican had said thet the demoncrat controlled senate would censure him and the meidia would demand that he be removed from office. Of course the socialist Reid is already in trouble with the voters and is going to be thrown out of office in the upcoming elections. 
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as I say, you are living in the 1950's or the civil war, and are ignoring most of what has happened so far. how can the democrats fight against civil rights now with, I repeat PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA IN OFFICE, THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT WHO IS A DEMOCRAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hilliary was supposed to be the nominee,she was hand-picked by the party leaders. But the American people themselves are not racist and chose Obama due to his charisma and the loony leftist media selling him and being his propaganda arm. The loony leftist media realized Obama was a huge socialist and so he was their candidate.
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Blanche Kelso Bruce (March 1, 1841 – March 17, 1898) was a U.S. politician who represented Mississippi as a Republican in the U.S. Senate from 1875 to 1881 and was the first elected African American senator to serve a full term. Hiram R. Revels, also of Mississippi, was the first to ever serve in the U.S. Congress, but did not serve a full term.
In February 1874, Bruce was elected by the state legislature to the Senate as a Republican. On February 14, 1879, Bruce presided over the U.S. Senate becoming the first African-American (and the only former slave) to do so[1]. In 1880, James Z. George was elected to succeed Bruce.
At the 1880 Republican National Convention in Chicago, Bruce became the first African-American to win any votes at a major party's nominating convention, winning 8 votes for vice president. In 1881, Bruce was appointed by President James A. Garfield to be the Register of the Treasury, making Bruce the first African-American whose signature was represented on U.S. paper currency.[2] Bruce served as the District of Columbia recorder of deeds in 1891–93, and again as register of the treasury until his death in 1898.
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I was going to save this for the religion thread, but you have orced my hand.
Sir, I could write a bunch of lies too. I've never heard Christians say the things you seem to falsely report. Certainly Christians would not be saying such things.
And yes, it is the Bible that defines Christianity. Anti-Christians are not the source of Christian doctrine. Sorry.
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excuse me whilst I inflate my lie ballon....
A lot of lies seem to gush from your lips so I suspect your balloon will inflate virtually instantly. Careful that it does not burst!
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You sit on a throne of lies.
If you are saying I am lying about my party affiliation you are a liar. And certainly I have critisized for example McCain and never approved of everything Bush did either.
But like I said before, many leftists love Saul Alinsky and follow his teachings of lying about those who are not down with the socialist cause. Viva la socialiarism!
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I was going to save this for the religion thread, but you have orced my hand.
Sir, I could write a bunch of lies too. I've never heard Christians say the things you seem to falsely report. Certainly Christians would not be saying such things.
And yes, it is the Bible that defines Christianity. Anti-Christians are not the source of Christian doctrine. Sorry.
You little Turd!
You shameless little troll! How dare you, How Dare You Even Come Here And Say That! You forget that this is an international forum, just because you've never heard of it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist! You shallow, hurtfull, hateful little weasel!
You know what?! Grace was in tears afterwards, I had to sit and comfort her for a whole hour because of what those snows had done! the only thing they knew about her was that she was a pagan, and they thought they had the right to say those things to her because they thought they were higher spiritually! Her Entire family has been through this, one time they tried to celebrate the solstice only to have these Pissants try and stop them, claiming them immoral and wayward!!
You're just like them, you know that, You are just like those disrespecting biblebashers! You think in exactly the same way as them, looking down from you're ivory tower like some kind of lord, dismissing all arguments that countermand you're zealous doctrine with unbridled distain!
You have irked me, Elodin. You have irked with with you're unjustified dismissal of something that hurt a dear friend of mine as just "A lie!" If I believed in you're god, I would see that s/he would disapprove! All you ever believe is true comes from Fox news and you're little backwater town! you think that All christians are high and mighty, unable to do wrong, ignoring the daily wrongdoings of them! You are blind, my friend, and you're blindness shall be you're downfall!
Yes, Some christains are good, and I wouldn't try and say otherwise. Reverend Ian, people who I've worked with, performed with, Hell, my Girlfriend, they are all christians and they are all nice people. But there are just as many bad christians in there as well. Whatever the bible say's, these people define themselves by their faith to jesus and therefore count themselves as christians!
You know what, You tell them they aren't, You tell them that because they hate they can't be christian, You tell everyone christian organisation built on hate that they are not christian, I would doubt you would even get throught 1 before they lynch you! The hate is real, Elodin, The hate is Real and it's out there, just like all religions, all organisations, all groups, everything. There is just as much darkness as there is light, and for there to be a belief that one group is holier than others purely because you're in them is being just as hate-filled as the one's you decry!
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no one on earth here I know of is perfect nor knows anyone who is
Powerful people considered themselves christians among other religious members. Whether or not the doctrines were reviewed, modified, and used by those to build morale for blood shed and getting innocent people involved is irrelevant.
To each thy own, I certainly cant speak for some people just because they say they are something I am. There are spoiled apples and unfortunately I do not see a lot of "smiting" when people speak derogatory of any religion, abuse it, or lie, etc
I am more of a bible basher thanks to all those wonderful Christians in the streets and my family, the school, all the BS fairy tales of fire making me fear and question things similar and not far past the times where they believed in giant earth walknig gods.
but there is no fluency in what they believe and have to say they just know I will go to hell if I dont believe
stop telling me about your feeling of salvation. Its been like 1980 years about and the word "soon" spoken to humans would / should have meant less than 1980 years if you really wanted to come to our level... If you did, then you would speak to us and not end up forgotten for 400 years except documents hand selected to form the reason for deaths and war
oh ya and
KKK sux
my point is common knowledge that whatever religion we could say we are in I can say this no matter what was inside of me or ambitions.
I didnt read the whole 9 billion pages (okay just two) in detail but I will say elodin you sure could believe write something like that, anyone could
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posted January 10, 2010 01:16 PM |
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Relax, people, it's just the interwebs.
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posted January 10, 2010 01:24 PM |
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ok well I was on the webernets but ill come back using the interwebs next time
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