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Thread: controversy and videogames
bixie
bixie


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my common sense is tingling!
posted January 11, 2010 12:58 PM

controversy and videogames

yeah, I know it's a subject that we are all sick of, but I think some interesting points need to be addressed.

as a medium, Games are one of the most villified form of pop culture entertainment, next to horror movies and heavy metal. Developers are judged not on their work but on their title as Games developers, and games that are controversial are quickly bailed out on so as to avoid a public outcry.

Per example, Let's talk about the game, 6 days in fallujah. For those who don't know, Atomic games, the developers, were working on military software with the american marines as a side project, when some of the marines were called over to iraq. When these marines came back, they started to talk to the development team about their experience there, and thought it would be a good idea to make a game on it, as a way to teach kids about the horrors of that battle. it was originally going to be published by Konami, but when people found out, the controversy pot boilt over and Konami backed down, leaving Atomic without a publisher.

Now, I know that most people here are sick of ignorant news media and soccer moms saying that these kinds of games are bad and horrible and should not be made, but I want to see what people would think is too controversial for them?

Would you play a FPS about a soldier whose gay and has to deal with his feelings in the hyper masculine environment that surrounds him?
Would you play a WW2 game where you got to play as german, italian and japanese soldiers in the same light as you do american, russian and british?
Would you play a RPG where you play as Satan, tempting people to sin in order to gain enough followers to depose god?
Would you play a TPA (third person action) game where you played as a cop who was addicted to loads of different drugs and needed them in order to survive?

What is the point in gaming where you go "That's in poor taste?"
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posted January 11, 2010 01:08 PM

I would propably play all of those games. They sound kinda cool and most of them question the things that most people just take for granted and doesn't even think about before getting to conclusions and building up opinions.

For example, the WW2 one would question what side really was the bad guy, cause even if Hitler was a bad man, you should at least think the scenario through before building up your opinions. My point isn't that they are right in any way, just that you should always consider the option. That's the point of controversity! That and publicity I guess.
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Fauch
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posted January 11, 2010 01:31 PM
Edited by Fauch at 13:36, 11 Jan 2010.

the one with a gay soldier doesn't seem very exciting as a video game. but you could try with a movie.

I kinda like the idea of making a game to show kids the horror of war. right now, most people seem to think their children have to live in a carebear world until they get a big punch in the face and realize the world isn't as pink as they thought.

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Would you play a TPA (third person action) game where you played as a cop who was addicted to loads of different drugs and needed them in order to survive?

there are already a lots of people who thinks cops are drugged and alcoholic

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They sound kinda cool and most of them question the things that most people just take for granted and doesn't even think about before getting to conclusions and building up opinions.

yeah you're right, those people really need to use their brains. it's just annoying when you ask someone what he thinks, and he isn't able to give his own opinion, but just say what the majority would say...

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bixie
bixie


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my common sense is tingling!
posted January 11, 2010 01:39 PM

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the one with a gay soldier doesn't seem very exciting as a video game. but you could try with a movie.



Well, if it was a game, it would be brilliant as a Xbox 360 exclusive and to have all these little brats shouting down the speaker "Fag!" and for someone to say, "actually, the character is, haven't you figured it out yet?"
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Fauch
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posted January 11, 2010 02:00 PM

but I'm not sure how it would translate in gameplay.

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Darkshadow
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Cerise Princess
posted January 11, 2010 06:23 PM

Video game controversy eh?

Try to dig out that game where you played a concentration camp leader and it was up to you to run the camp.


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bixie
bixie


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my common sense is tingling!
posted January 11, 2010 06:52 PM

Well, I can imagine it will be hard to pitch

"Ok jimmy, what have you got for me?"
"Well, boss, I though, why not make a sort of shindler's list of computer games where you have to run a concentration camp. Plus, to spice it up, we'll throw in freddy kreuger and kinikuman for no reason!"
"Jimmy, you're fired!"
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DagothGares
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No gods or kings
posted January 11, 2010 07:15 PM

Controversy in video games

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Like my Grandpa always said, there were no naked human pyramids in Starcraft.

There were no whiny anti-war Hollywood types or questionable war motives or granola-munching protesters. I'm starting to think that even World in Conflict, a real time strategy game so "realistic" it takes a NASA-built Quantum supercomputer to run it, has left me woefully unprepared to fight an actual war.

Well, below is my open letter to the real time strategy gaming cartel. I want a war simulation. A real one. I don't want little cartoon tanks jostling around in a video sandbox chewing down each other's health meters, while a preteen opponent insults my sexuality using every key on his keyboard except the ones with letters. I want an RTS game that will give me a stress headache after an hour and an ulcer after a week. I want to identify experienced players on the street by their 1,000-yard stares.

I want a war sim ...

1. ... where I spend two hours pushing across a map to destroy a "nuclear missile silo," only to find out after the fact that it was just a missile-themed orphanage.



I want little celebrities to show up on the scene and do interviews over video of charred teddy bears, decrying my unilateral attack. I want congressional hearings demanding answers to these atrocities.



2. On the very next level I want to lose half of my units because another "orphanage" turned out to be an enemy ambush site. I want another round of hearings asking why I didn't level that orphanage as soon as I saw it, including tearful testimony from a slain soldier's daughter who is now, ironically, an orphan.



3. Every war sim has a "Fog of War" that obscures the map in darkness until units scout the landscape. Well, I want a hazy, brown "Fog of Bullsnow" layer below that. I want it to make a village of farmers look like a secret armed militia, I want it to show me a massive enemy fortress where there is actually an aspirin factory. I want to never know for sure which it was, even after the game is over.

4.  I want those awesome rooted monsters from Starcraft that wait until the enemy gets close and then launch tentacles up their asses. Just think of how demoralizing that would have to be.

But, I want to lose points off my Public Support Meter every time one of those monsters accidentally impales a schoolgirl in a horrific bloody mess that will shock all but the Japanese.

5. I want that Public Support Meter to rise and fall according to Troops Lost, Length of Conflict, Innocents Killed and Whether or Not There is Anything Else On TV That Week. I want to lose 200 public-support points because, in a war where 8,000 units have been lost, one of my Mutalisks happened to be caught on video accidentally eating one clergyman. Then, later, my destruction of an entire enemy city will go unnoticed because the Nude Zero-Gravity Futureball championship went into overtime.

6. Speaking of innocents, I want a war sim where native townsfolk stand shoulder-to-shoulder on every inch of the map and not a single bomb can be dropped without blowing 200 of them into chunks. Forget about the abandoned building wallpaper in games like the Red Alert series. I want to have to choose between sending marines door-to-door to be killed in the streets or leveling the block from afar, Nuns and all. I want to have to choose between 40 dead troops or 400 dead children, and be damned to hell by chubby pundits from the safety of their studios regardless of which way I go.

7. I want my Mission Objectives to change every 30 seconds, without anyone letting me know. I want little talking heads to pop up on my screen--commanders, politicians, allies, military intelligence--each giving me different sets of victory parameters, all of them conflicting and many of them written in bullsnow ass-covering doublespeak.



8. I want CIA field agents that operate completely on their own agenda, the little units spreading clouds of brown wherever they go. When I try to take out enemy weapons scientists, I'll find out said agents have spirited them away and put them on the payroll.

9. I want a super-cool custom-weapons lab where I can design mech armor for my infantry with wicked acid-tipped missiles and guns that shoot spiders. Then I want to watch as 100 men are cooked alive in the desert because of a defect in the internal air conditioning units that shorted due to condensation in the fusion coils and insufficient insulation in the wiring units bypassing the laser reactor core, due to the contractor's decision to use over-the-counter components instead of the military-grade ones mandated in Subsection 12:94A, Paragraph B of the Military Weapons Platform Procurement Act of 3013, a document that is 14,724 pages long and contains some 81,301 loopholes that allow congressmen to bypass component testing and funnel lucrative military contracts to cut-rate suppliers from their home districts at the peak of every election cycle.

10. Geneva Convention be damned, I want to drop Anthrax.

11. Gamers complain about bad "pathfinding" (that is, your units wandering around the map and falling into the river against your orders). Well, I want worse pathfinding. I want entire platoons who wander into the mountains because somebody bled on the map. I want tanks to get stuck turret-deep in mud flats and have to be rescued by helicopters while snipers pick off soldiers trying to keep their boots from being sucked off their feet in muck.

12. I want mutinous units that chain smoke hash and frag their seargents and sell heroin on the side and rogue commanders who go mad and shave their heads and set up fortresses in the jungle decorated with human skulls. I want to have to send a CIA assassin in to take him out. And, then they chop up a donkey, for some reason.

13. I want factions. Not a simple aliens vs. humans or Russians vs. Americans war orgy. I want to share the map with powerful forces who are not friend or foe or anything else, a news media, private corporations, snow allies and friendly enemies, everyone jockeying for their own interests and me unable to bend over at any moment without turning my codpiece around first. I want a France.

14. I want fat, left-wing documentarians carefully editing the only the most incriminating footage, countered only by low-IQ country music singers crooning my praises while in American flag-colored cowboy hats.

15. About every five minutes, I want one of my helicopters to crash, completely on its own, for some snowing reason.

16. I want one-fourth of my casualties to come from friendly fire and non-combat or training accidents. I want a big-name hero unit who rallies the troops with his Magical Sword of Slaying, only to be killed when an ammo crate falls off a loading dock.

17. In my Public Support Meter display, let me find out that the news media has run, in the same magazine, one story blasting us for going to war for minerals and another story blasting us for not acting on the continuing mineral shortage back home.

There should also be simultaneous stories about the outrageous expense of the war effort, and another about how the troops are under-funded and under-equipped. Set it so that I somehow lose public-support points with each story.  

18.  I want to be able to build a POW camp structure where enemy soldiers and suicide bombers are held should they somehow survive battle or should their suicide bombing only be half-successful. I want to right-click on the building and open an option that says "Interrogate Prisoners," which will make parts of the map open up and reveal enemy positions, saving my own units from ambushes.

Then, I want a little cut scene to pop up to announce that photos of my prisoner interrogations have emerged, sparking international outrage because several prisoners were upset and humiliated and some even physically harmed.

The whole world is shocked, it says, because people were physically harmed.

In my war.

So, I leave the battlefield ...



... and brush the flaming chunks of bomb victims off my boots to address the worldwide outrage. The game will bring me up on a court martial, everybody pointing out that it was I who clicked the little Interrogation icon. I want to lose tons of public-support points and have every game objective suddenly put in doubt.

19. Now, beating the game will depend on how I play to Ivy League politicians who think a gun is something you hang over your mantlepiece to be occasionally dusted by the maid in your Connecticut summer home. And, when it comes to that point in the game where this panel demands the truth (and says they're "entitled" to the truth) I want a little drop-down menu that will let me tell them that they, in fact, can't handle the truth.

With a couple of clicks (or maybe a hotkey), I'll tell them that we live in a world that has walls and that those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. I will tell them that I have a greater responsibility than they can possibly fathom. They weep for mistreated prisoners and curse the military. They have that luxury. They have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that the naked human pyramid and homoerotic torture, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to them, saves lives.



I'll tell them that they don't want the truth, because deep down, in places they don't talk about at parties, they want me on that wall. They need me on that wall. I'll tell them that I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to men who rise and sleep under the blanket of the very freedom I provide, then question the manner in which I provide it.

I'd rather they just said "thank you" and went on their way. Otherwise, I'd suggest they pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what they think they're entitled to.

20. I want better death animations.


Source: cracked.com

I also want this.
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posted January 11, 2010 07:44 PM

I just want a melee fighting game which involes toon of gore, and dungeoncrawling.
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Fauch
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posted January 11, 2010 08:19 PM
Edited by Fauch at 20:27, 11 Jan 2010.

for some reason I was under the impression I was reading a message from darkshadow.

A game about running a concentration camp? well...
it would be a big risk, but in another hand, there are already games about the WWII. it's one of the most terrible events in our history and we have fun with it.

but I imagine bixie was talking about games making you think, not learning you how to become a butcher.

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Darkshadow
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posted January 11, 2010 08:30 PM

The list of examples make me think otherwise.

Now the game that DG wanted, that's the kind of game that makes you think
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What if Elvin was female?
posted January 11, 2010 09:43 PM

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4.  I want those awesome rooted monsters from Starcraft that wait until the enemy gets close and then launch tentacles up their asses. Just think of how demoralizing that would have to be.

But, I want to lose points off my Public Support Meter every time one of those monsters accidentally impales a schoolgirl in a horrific bloody mess that will shock all but the Japanese.


That one took me by surprise.

I agree wholeheartedly with the writer.
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