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Borton
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posted January 29, 2010 02:27 AM |
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Anyone ordered a faction proposal?
Hi there! I started reading the forum when, same as you guys, started dreaming of my own version of what the next step in Heroes should be.
Probably you are sick of reading people's proposals for their factions, however I would love to share with you my own ideas, inviting of course everyone to give their opinion, suggestions and advice about what should be modified.
I really have been squeezing my brain about a lot of features from the game (for example, getting back to 2D should be a must IMHO), but by now I'll bore you only with the factions' names, heroes and creatures.
Note that I don't like rating a faction as good or evil, I'd rather developing all of them as capable of good and bad actions.
1 - ANGKOR: A town based on Arabian, Thai and Hindu stuff. Hero: Vizier.
1 - Fakir / Spitfire (Walker)
2 - Bedouin / Saracen (Large rider)
3 - Guru / Laghu (Caster): It would look just like psychic elemental from H3.
4 - Thai / Boran (Walker): Think of Tony Jaa. A tough infantry guy.
5 - Genie / Efreet (Flyer): Let's try not to think of efreet as a fire genie who hates "blue" genies.
6 - Lamia / Naga (Large shooter).
7 - Elephant / Mammoth (Large walker): Think of the oliphants from LODR. However I'm not very satisfied with the name "Mammoth". I also tried Ganesh, but still not convinced.
2 - LOOKOUT: The classic human town, but not THAT classic!!! First of all, ANGELS HAVE BEEN ERASED. People from this faction are supposed to be back from some wars where they've been dying for just religion, and now that they are back in their homeland they can't find their place in society, so they've decided to build their own civilization, denying the existance of their God and forgiving previous "heretic" enemies such as Vampires. Hero: snow.
1 - Tracker / Hound (Large walker): A dog.
2 - Marksman / Crossbowman (Shooter).
3 - Forefather / Ancestor (Flyer). Spirits of friends fallen in battle which can't leave this world since they don't have a god anymore and they don't have by now nowhere to go.
4 - Musketeer / Sniper (Shooter).
5 - Avenger / Slayer (Walker). A brave swordsman.
6 - Squire / Knight (Large rider). Think of them as Paladins from Warcraft 2, or Antonius Vlock from The Seventh Seal.
7 - Vampire / Soulless one (Flyer). Maybe also a caster, but it might result in a too powerful faction, with 2 shooters, 2 flyers and a tier 7 caster. Also, I'm not still satisfied with the name "Soulless one".
3 - CHICHEN: A town based on native American stuff. Hero: Cannibal.
1 - Prisoner / Sacrifice (Walker).
2 - Aborigine / Tomahawk (Shooter).
3 - Dingo / Jaguar (Large walker). I know dingo and aborigine are not from America, by the way.
4 - Healer / Shaman (Caster).
5 - Amazon / Apocalypt (Shooter).
6 - Totem / Moai (Walker).
7 - Thunderbird / Coatl (Large flyer).
4 - HAREM A town based on women only. They are women-insects that decided time ago to escape from a sexist world full of discrimination and disadvantage for them. Hero: Valkyria.
1 - Satyr / Servant (Walker).
2 - Virgin / Immaculate one (Walker). Think of blood maiden from H5.
3 - Tarantula / Black widow (Large walker).
4 - Manticore / Chimera (Large flying rider). Mmmmmm, not too sure.
5 - Gorgon / Medusa (Shooter). Think of Medusa from H4.
6 - Witch / Clairvoyant (Caster).
7 - Queen / Mythocondrial queen (Large flyer). A giant and very poisonous bee!
5 - KRYSTA: A town based on snow. Cruel, silent, misterious, dark, cold snow. Hero: Ranger.
1 - Pixie / Cold hearted one (Flyer). Think of pixie from H5, but in a colder way.
2 - Miner / Sapper (Walker). A dwarve.
3 - Snowpacer / Stormwalker (Large rider / Large flyer). A gnome riding a wolf, and then a hawk when upgraded.
4 - Yeti / Wendigo (Large? Walker).
5 - Forsaken one / Ice maiden (Caster): Think of the Queen of hearts being abandoned by the fiancee on the day on their wedding, and then multiply it by 1000 to get and idea of the sorrow held by this creature.
6 - Unicorn / Sleipnir (Large walker): The unicorn on its wildest version.
7 - Colossus / Titan (Shooter).
6 - LEVEE: The classic orc town, but now they are pirates, creatures easily found attacking merchant ships and looting. Hero: Corsair.
1 - Rogue / Pirate (Walker): A goblin.
2 - Harpy / Succubus (Flyer): What do you think of this evolution?
3 - Buccaneer / Gunner (Large shooter): An orc firing a cannon.
4 - Bloodthirsty one / Berserker (Walker): An ogre with a huge club.
5 - Mihura / Osbourne (Large walker): A bull, these people's pet. 100% aggressive, just like them.
6 - Beholder / One-eyed (Shooter): A troll throwing huge stones (I miss them since H2)
7 - Cerberus / Hydra (Large walker): Why not? It's just a matter of adding three more heads and scales!
7 - PAGODA: A town based on Japanese and Chinese stuff. Hero: Samurai.
1 - Prostitute / Geisha (Walker / Shooter). No disrespect.
2 - Pikeman / Spearman (Walker): Maybe too dull.
3 - Tiger / Sabretooth (Large walker): Think of tiger from H4.
4 - Bear / Panda (Large walker): Not very satisfied with this creature.
5 - Ninja / Shinobi (Flyer, well, teleporter).
6 - Monk / Shaolin (Caster or shooter).
7 - Herensuge / Dragon (Large flyer). Get this: Just ONE dragon in the entire game. I honestly don't like finding a dragon for each colour of the rainbow.
8 - PANDORA: Imagine that nature is upset. Well, these guys would be the ones wielding nature's hammer of revenge and destruction. Imagine -more or less- the classis sylvan, but in a red-coloured way, NATURE IS ANGRY AND IS COMING FOR US!!! Hero: Harasser.
1 - Troublestarter / Firestarter (Flying caster): Still not confirmed the shape, I was thinking of those guys from A new hope who at the start hunt R2-D2 and sell it to uncle Owen.
2 - Ripper / Skinner (Walker): Think of those horrible kids from act 3 in Diablo 2 wielding huge knives.
3 - Head collector / Predator (Shooter): THIS IS THE ONLY ELVEN representation in the game. I can't understand why everyone is so focused on having sylvan and dark elves, that is so Warhammer (I love Warhammer, but can't see why should we have more than one elven faction in Heroes). Imagine of Gelu hunting groups of reckless brave soldiers, one by one, in a cruel way, just like the predator from McTiernan's movie. This is what an elf should be!
4 - Nightmare / Nemesis (Large walker): The nightmare itself.
5 - Griffin / Tyrant (Large flyer): The griffin is not a lovely creature anymore! Same as the unicorn, here we have the wildest version of griffin ever seen on Heroes!
6 - Cyclops / Gargantua (Walker).
7 - Phoenix / Sloar (Large flyer).
9 - PYRAMID: A town based on Egyptian stuff. Hero: Hierophant.
1 - Corpse / Mummy (Walker).
2 - Snake / Cobra (Shooter).
3 - Vulture / Hawk (Large flyer). Not sure with this evolution.
4 - Twt / Shawabti (Walker). Think of gold golems from H3.
5 - Embalmer / Priest (Caster).
6 - Sphynx / Enygma (Large walker).
7 - Jackal / Executioner (Teleporter). Ladies and gentlemen, I introduce to you our friend Anubis.
10 - ZIGURAT: A town based on Atlantis, the planet from The dig, and ancient Greece. The inhabitants came from space and now they live underwater, waiting for their parents to come to get them back to their homeland. Hero: Loomsdyer.
1 - Mermaid / Merman (Shooter). No disrespect.
2 - Lycanthrop / Lizardman (Walker). Here lycanthrops don't switch between human and wolf, but between a humanoid lizard and some kind of dilophosaurus.
3 - Pteron / Stinger (Flyer): Think of a dragon fly, but in a reptilish way.
4 - Centaur / Ixion (Large shooter): Big enygmas of Heroes: Why centaurs are always tier 1 losers? We hope future research brings some light to this misterious fact!
5 - Minotaur / Auroch (Walker).
6 - Tidelord / Nostromo (Caster). A reptilian wizard.
7 - Kraken / Leviathan (Large walker).
Well, I think 10 is a good amount of factions. Note that I abandoned classic haven and inferno towns. It's just a duality I don's like much: For me, Heroes means Titans VS Dragons, not Angels VS demons.
As I said, I have many more details, but it's not approppriate to develope it all here in the first message, since you might not be interested on what you just read.
If you reached this line, I hope you enjoyed yourself, I'm lookning forward for suggestions. Thanks for reading!
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The HOMM4 vampire is Dave Gahan!!!
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Berny-mac
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posted January 29, 2010 09:00 PM |
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Well...its interesting, but very confusing and extremely chaotic. I say stick to the typical lineups, change it around a bit, add a faction or 2, but then focus on the gameplay drastically. For more info, look at Homm Politics and Stuff.
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Borton
Hired Hero
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posted January 31, 2010 12:01 AM |
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Chaotic? I admit it, I wanted to shake a little bit the creature alliances to get "fresh" factions (despite knowing I haven't invented anything brand new), but it's just a matter of being a bit open minded and understand, for example, that griffins do not have to be human-christians' pets.
On the other hand, I would like to keep the classic gameplay and develop it, just the way the WOG team did (by the way, congratulations for that expansion set).
I really thank you for giving your opinion. Do you have anything in mind about a new gameplay?
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Berny-mac
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posted January 31, 2010 12:04 AM |
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Well, a much bigger battlefield that has different terrain and a better stack/army arrangement would be nice. Oh, also a better storyline (Dragon Age: Origins quality) would be a nice change.
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Borton
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posted January 31, 2010 12:09 AM |
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Nice. I agree with the idea of a bigger battlefield, besides I don't feel very interested in H5 story, I definitely liked much more H4 campaigns, you know, the way you got to know your hero, his/her feelings and thoughts...
For my own project I haven't thought too much about storyline, I was thinking abouta a prequel of the entire Heroes saga. Now that's chaotic! 
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Borton
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posted January 31, 2010 04:22 PM |
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Today I would like to share some ideas about heroes' secondary skills:
Each town has its own type of hero, and every type of hero has its own family of secondary skills (by family I mean Scouting, Combat, Fire magic... as they were understood on H4), which is typical from that faction, so a hero from another faction won't be able to learn it.
Each skill can be upgraded five times (Basic-Advanced-Expert-Master-Legend), just the way it was on H4 except for the fact that it's not required to have some skills upgraded to upgrade another one from the same family (for example, it's not necessary to have Expert Exploration to upgrade Advanced Stealth).
However, reaching a legend or even a master level is not available for everyone and every skill: Each hero, apart from starting with the skill from his/her town at a basic level, has a speciality on one skill from a common family. Common families are 12 families which can be learnt by all the heroes from the game. Only when a hero has a speciality on a skill he/she will be able to reach a master level in each skill from that family, and also a legend level in that particular skill in which he/she's specialized. If a hero starts learning a common family in which he/she's not specialized, he/she will be able to learn every skill from that family at just an expert level.
Besides, all the heroes from a faction can learn the skills from they family at a legend level, but there are also some restrictions:
First, a hero can reach a legend level just in one of the skills of his/her faction's family. The choice is up to the player.
Second, once a hero reaches a legend level in a skill from his/her faction's family, no other heroes of the same player can reach a legend level in that skill.
All the families, common or not, have 5 skills each. Each hero can learn up to 5 families, and always starts the game with the first skill from the list of his/her family at a basic level, the first skill from the list of the common family also at a basic level, and the skill he/she's specialized on at a basic level. If the hero is specialized in the first skill from the list of the common family he/she starts the game with an advanced level in that skill.
I know all this stuff might sound very very confusing, even when I read it I feel a little confused, but in the end it's very easy, once you put it in the game and you watch it rolling.
I'll post the skill families soon.
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The HOMM4 vampire is Dave Gahan!!!
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MattII
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posted February 01, 2010 02:19 AM |
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Edited by MattII at 05:15, 01 Feb 2010.
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I'll go with Berny-Mac on this, those factions are total chaos, I mean with the Ziggarut you have mermaids, lizardmen*, centaurs, minotaurs and kraken, but as far as I can see no reason to stick together (okay, the apocalyptic thing solves the 'now', butprovides no explanation for how theygot together in the first place).
*Lycanthrope means werewolf BTW, it comes from 'lukos' Greek for 'wolf' and 'anthropos' Greek for 'man', so you may want to try 'savra', Greek for 'lizard'. Savrathrope sounds good to me.
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Borton
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posted February 01, 2010 01:59 PM |
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Thank you very much for the idea of the lycanthrop, I really wasn't too satisfied with that name.
As I said, I still have to work on each faction's backgrounds. By now, Zigurats are supposed to be underwater colonies inhabited by creatures from another planet or a satellite (E.g. Moon) which were abandoned accidentally long time ago by their parents. Those cratures are humanoids but somehow they have reptilian features. I mean, mermaids wouldn't look exactly like humans, but a bit more like lizardmen. They wouldn't be as reptilian as Lizardmen from Warhammer.
Centaurs and minotaurs would be two races allied with them, I still have to think why, sorry.
I guess I mixed "Atlantis" with greek mythology because in some way I thought of the town view a bit like an Acropolis.
I honestly admit it, as long as I don't prepare a good explanation and creature designs, this faction is hard to be taken seriously. I thank you guys for your suggestions. What about Pandora and Krysta? I think they are my favourite ones!
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