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Thread: Atlantis mod, ready for play This thread is 7 pages long: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 · «PREV / NEXT»
ByteBandit
ByteBandit


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Soul Merchant
posted February 27, 2010 07:12 AM

Brilliant!!! Just brilliant!!!! A classic already as new as it is. This will be remembered forever as THE WoG map!

Well worth the wait! Congratulations Sal on your new masterpiece!
(Everyone should download this!)
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zombie_knight
zombie_knight


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posted February 27, 2010 07:23 AM

noooooooooooooo

noooooooooooooo  i get install error!****                                it says that i need the latest version of unrar.dll!!!Whato to do? That is so ******* unfair....Help
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Salamandre
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posted February 27, 2010 07:28 AM

Get a working unrar tool.
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zombie_knight
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posted February 27, 2010 07:34 AM
Edited by zombie_knight at 07:35, 27 Feb 2010.

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Get a working unrar tool.
??What do you mean?I get this when i run update(the wog one)!Where can i get that thingy??
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Salamandre
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posted February 27, 2010 07:35 AM

I never heard about wog update asking for latest version of unrar.dll. I can't help you here, sorry.
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zombie_knight
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posted February 27, 2010 07:42 AM

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I never heard about wog update asking for latest version of unrar.dll. I can't help you here, sorry.

You can.....you can make copy of yours unrar.dll and send it to me .
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Salamandre
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posted February 27, 2010 07:46 AM

Unrar.dll

Place it in data. But I guess if you had a screwed one, all your wog is out of date or bad installed.
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zombie_knight
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posted February 27, 2010 07:59 AM
Edited by zombie_knight at 08:03, 27 Feb 2010.

*******   ******* **** ****!!!.it dosen't work!I am desperate.

Error:
To install the package you need a newest version of unrar.dll.This version you may find at our download page:http://strategyplanet.com/homm/wog/download.shtml.Please download it and place it to the same folder where the install.exe is located.

Well does this help? But the site is dead!



EDIT: I did it!! weeeeeeeeee.It was hard.
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zombie_knight
zombie_knight


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posted February 27, 2010 08:10 AM

Another problem:
When i play it on every step o hero i got the error!And on every click to buy something.but i can play what to do??
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Salamandre
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posted February 27, 2010 08:14 AM
Edited by Salamandre at 08:14, 27 Feb 2010.

GET 3.58f WoG version from the "install" thread.
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zombie_knight
zombie_knight


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posted February 27, 2010 08:48 AM

I already have that version!!From that thread!And this error is only ic campain!!(or how to write it)!
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E-J
E-J


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posted February 27, 2010 09:41 AM

don't wogify a already wogified map, that is asking for problems

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zombie_knight
zombie_knight


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posted February 27, 2010 10:17 AM

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don't wogify a already wogified map, that is asking for problems
But this happens only on Sal's map!!Not on others...
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zombie_knight
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posted February 27, 2010 10:18 AM

Quote:
Quote:
don't wogify a already wogified map, that is asking for problems
But this happens only on Sal's map!!Not on others... and i can't wogify that map!!
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E-J
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posted February 27, 2010 10:41 AM

/facepalm

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ddpro
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posted February 27, 2010 11:02 AM

Well, I reinstalled it, but the problem still exists. Several DEFs are lost. Actually that doesn't matter, because the game still runs steadily.
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gnollking
gnollking


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posted February 27, 2010 01:47 PM

This was not a surprise. Every time someone gives us something great (in this case, the greatest mod/map ever), there are problems. This has happened to all Salamandre's mods/maps.

I personally had no problems installing it. It was damn simple.

1. 100% clean WoG.
2. Unrar everything to Heroes 3 folder.
3. Run Update.exe (or H3wUpd.exe).
4. Place the map to /maps folder.

What can go wrong?
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ddpro
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posted February 27, 2010 01:59 PM
Edited by ddpro at 14:03, 27 Feb 2010.

Quote:
This was not a surprise. Every time someone gives us something great (in this case, the greatest mod/map ever), there are problems. This has happened to all Salamandre's mods/maps.

I personally had no problems installing it. It was damn simple.

1. 100% clean WoG.
2. Unrar everything to Heroes 3 folder.
3. Run Update.exe (or H3wUpd.exe).
4. Place the map to /maps folder.

What can go wrong?


I checked the .wog update file, the 7 aforementioned troublesome DEF files aren't included in it.
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gnollking
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posted February 27, 2010 02:01 PM

I was not talking only about you. I understand your problem.
I was talking about all the huge projects, every time something goes wrong .
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AcidDragon
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posted February 27, 2010 02:23 PM
Edited by AcidDragon at 14:53, 27 Feb 2010.

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@Acid dragon: if a mod changes only graphics then it can be played on random map or others. If it is going to make a complete conversion of mechanics, a problem raises and it is impossible to avoid it, it is...AI. How to make it use the new mechanics, I am not aware of it, and WoG team did not accord much importance to this aspect, not giving us the tools needed.


Not exactly. Of course you are right about making a complete conversion of game mechanics - that's why I would like the mechanics to stay the same and only expand them. But that's me. Then again - it is possible to add NEW mechanics and also make it usable for the AI.

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So let's say you want create a dynamic upgrade after battles won. Ok, sounds great. So, if I have an archangel in my army and I win a battle with him, he will get +1 attack. Now, how to avoid AI archangels to not get this +1 attack I only deserved it? No idea, as you know, the command to change a creature stats is related to subtype only, thus every same subtype will get the bonus.


This particular example can be done by using the hero w-vars. Let's say w1 is creature number and w2 is attack bonus. After any battle won increase w2 for the winning hero. Before any next battle get the w2 and apply the bonus to all creature stacks on hero's side having creature number w1 (using !!BM which works for the creature stack instead of the !!MA which works for the entire creature type). It will work individually for every hero - no matter AI or not. Of course it would be almost (almost )impossible to save all bonuses for all creatures (and "almost" because every hero has 200 w-vars and we do have 196 creatures, so... ), but saving the bonuses for like 7 creature types should not be a problem. Even if several bonuses would be counted.


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In conclusion, it seems not worth to make a full mod for only one map, but I did not find a way to skip around this problem. Well, WoG team used it for "emerald towers" script, and we see the results. You pay a huge load to get your units improved and the result is that AI, which payed nothing gets the bonuses for free. I think this is the main reason we did not have yet any mods (mechanics changed) for WoG. Fnord did it brilliant in his map "Choices", but again, it is only one map, and required close scripting which will not work elsewhere.


To *change* the game mechanics indeed we have only a small field to work on and surely the changes that you've made in Stargate couldn't be applied to the entire game (especially if we count the creatures and the town). However there is still a good field to *expand* the mechanics and with some effort - make it usable also by the AI.

In my work I'm trying to expand the mechanics, but make it still as optional os possible and 100% targeted at introducing the changes for the entire game. It comes out far less spectacular than the work you've done with all the creatures, graphics and gameplay changes, but I still hope there are some people that will like my point of view .
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