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posted March 10, 2010 02:38 AM |
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I would not say it is high. 800-900 euros is not enough to live safe. But when a job is payed 1000-1200 and you have to work 35 hours/week, it is normal that people stick to RMI and watch television all day. It is the reason to why a less than 20/hour job can not exist, unless you're really masochist.
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posted March 10, 2010 08:09 AM |
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800!
That's huge.
420 here. It's not much but it's more than what students get which is kinda idiotic. You can get 280 more for your rent. So all in all students get 480 and jobless get 600 per month. And it is enough to live safe. Not necessarily very comfortably but you get by and won't die of hunger or cold.
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posted March 10, 2010 09:44 AM |
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Do I undestand correctly, when I understand the france RMI as an amount of money people get given they are unemployeed?
If so, then I agree that it is not something good. I usually thought it to be up to the state to take a percentage of the wage of everyone and then redestribute some of the money to those who need it.
I however don't think so anymore. The state should provide freedom and security of that freedom. I don't think that is done by holding back progress via market regulation. Rather I think the state should invest these money in what is needed for the common man, given the common man cannot afford it himself. That is stuff like food, shelter, etc. Not like we do now with homeless people, rather in a way that means you've what you need of life, without this limiting your options, and if you want more, you'd get a job to get this.
At least I think this beats the idea of taking money and then giving money back ou, which may result in absurd laws in fear of people keeping in a, seen from society, degrating state where they don't improve society, but takes ressources out of society.
I however don't think this problem can ever be truely solved, before the essentiel things of our life gets completely removed from the marked and is freely available to all of us through automatic production.
Sorry if it went too off topic.
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posted March 10, 2010 11:35 AM |
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I would not say it is high. 800-900 euros is not enough to live safe. But when a job is payed 1000-1200 and you have to work 35 hours/week, it is normal that people stick to RMI and watch television all day. It is the reason to why a less than 20/hour job can not exist, unless you're really masochist.
but seriously, are you sure about that? 20 € per hour would be a dream for most french people I guess.
when you don't work, you get money from assedic, providing that you have worked long enough before getting unemployed. you are payed a percentage of your previous salary.
I'm unemployed and paid 250 € per month.
can you get RMI + assedic? 
seriously that would be more than the smic? (the minimum salary in france)
but indeed, from what I heard, despite the smic is higher than the rmi, people receiving the rmi benefit from many other helps which actually make them less poor than people with the smic.
interestingly, it seems french people in general value work very much (more than friends? I don't think more than family, but it wouldn't be too surprising), french people are like labelled with their jobs, which is a reason why (I think) some people would rather work and lose time and money than staying home.
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posted March 10, 2010 12:06 PM |
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Works the same over here for the most part. Somebody who makes minimum wage can make less then somebody on government subsidies. Let me show you how/why.
A person who makes minimum wage often doesn't qualify for free medical coverage.so they either have to pay for insurance or out of pocket if they get sick. While somebody having government subsidies has free medical insurance called Medicaid.
A person making minimum wage has to buy their own food. Somebody on subsidies gets both 'food stamps' and if they have infants something called "WIC".
I'll do this a bit easier on me...
A person on subsidies can get help paying for rent, heating/cooling, and many other things. Where as somebody on minimum wage has to pay for all that themselves.
Now mind you, the ammount of money gotten for somebody with one child on subsidies is not much. Works out to like .50 cents an hour. However, once you factor in all the perks ... they make more then the person with one kid who holds a minimum wage job. As the number of children goes up..the disparity grows. Some person with 3 kids on welfare is MUCH better off then somebody who has a minimum wage job and 3 children to support. Because the ammount the person on welfare gets increase per child, and the ammount the person working gets..does not.
I make a decent ammount over minimum wage, but am still 'working poor'. There are people who are perfectly able to work (but don't) who have never worked a day of their life better off..and that is without inheriting a lot of money also.
There are also people who abuse the system. They work 'under the table' (ie get paid in cash), don't let the government know, and still get welfare. I've known people on welfare that have been bringing in $2000/3000 dollars a month who still get foodstamps and other goverment benefits.
Edit : Don't get me wrong. Welfare is ok for those who absolutely need it, and don't abuse the system. Ie can not work for some legitimate mental or physical reason...or if there just is no work to be found..but when you start abusing it...well...
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posted March 10, 2010 12:16 PM |
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420 here. ... You can get 280 more for your rent. ... So all in all students get 480 and jobless get 600 per month.
If students over there calculate like you do, they don't deserve a bloody cent xD
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posted March 10, 2010 12:50 PM |
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Indeed. But you see. I'm not a student.
So yeah 480 compared to 700. And that is without belonging to any union and without profession. Have a profession and you get 25€ a day.
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posted March 10, 2010 01:08 PM |
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36k for an engineer in France. Twice than average teacher. But prices are not same in France and Romania.
I agree that prices are not the same but the things that you call "luxury" are the same (you can buy them online, for example).
That's what I objected to, not the overall salary.
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1000$/month
Non-luxury costs $800
Left for luxury: $200
$4000/month (example)
Non-luxury costs $3200 (4 times as much, in this example)
Left for luxury: $800
With $800 you can get a computer, you can hardly get one with $200.
Hope that clarifies what I meant.
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posted March 10, 2010 01:20 PM |
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Edited by Fauch at 13:23, 10 Mar 2010.
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you live in france too mytical? 
do you also spend half of your money only to pay tax? (and the other half to pay bills, so that you can't even buy food?)
in the 2nd case, shouldn't the computer be 4 times more expensive?
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posted March 10, 2010 02:27 PM |
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My dad earns about 700 euro, which is above average in Poland (I mean, after we apply all the taxes that strip him of +/- 400 euro), yet we're still ****ing poor people, with me busy with college and my mother incapable of working due to heart problems, it's sort of hard to save anything for a luxury.
To buy a notebook (worth say 500 euro) I already save 8 months and am somewhere in the middle.
I can't hope for 700 euro in Po(or)land straight after college, and it is not enough to begin with.
Thus I am thinking about getting the **** out of here more intense then earlier. I need solid info on where to expect what, thus topics like this one.
Nothing holds me here and I'm not really patriotic.
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posted March 10, 2010 02:38 PM |
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It's always a shame if one leaves his country for money. Every country should have decent enough pay. Plus the people moving to some other country usually bring problems to that country so it's a coin with two bad sides.
And seriously? 500 for a notebook? I'd never pay that much.
But saving for 500 euros as a student takes looooooooooong...
Saving money here as a student means not doing anything and living with oatmeal and water. So you're not so bad off. Then again, you live home?
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posted March 10, 2010 03:01 PM |
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Edited by TheDeath at 15:02, 10 Mar 2010.
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in the 2nd case, shouldn't the computer be 4 times more expensive?
No, it's not. Buying from a local store is usually slightly more expensive than "international sites" if you convert -- but that's just because of taxes and all that.
newegg prices, for example, are always cheaper (after conversion) than a local store here. (of course shipping would make it very expensive for international)
So one can say that the necessities and compulsory stuff may indeed be more expensive (e.g: food, taxes, bills, etc), the same can't be said about anything else -- which you NEED, unless you want to live in the 19th century that is.
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posted March 10, 2010 03:02 PM |
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well it doesn't need to be 500, it was just meant to illustrate that almost a year saving for something and I still have **** 
Yeah, still with parents, well, with european prices, what do you expect I can't move anywhere, too expensive.
I see only one solution: leave_the_country. Since I don't really feel bonded with it, it's nothing really sad or something.
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posted March 10, 2010 03:03 PM |
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Yeah, language might be a problem, unless you move to England
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posted March 10, 2010 03:04 PM |
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Well that is quite a different topic than you started out with DF. Was that your original goal?
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posted March 10, 2010 03:05 PM |
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Should move to Australia. We get higher pay than a lot of other countries.
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posted March 10, 2010 03:12 PM |
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Holy ****!
I just checked some polish sites renting apartments. Checked Warsaw and Lodz. The prices are sky-high! No wonder you live home.
You got a lot of rich people in Poland?
Thing I was surprised about a while back while checking possible places for abroad studies was Japan. It had surprisingly cheap apartments for rent. Found one in Tokyo that was 200€ a month and included water, net, electricity, heating and had private kitchen and bathroom. That's quite the deal if you ask me.
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posted March 10, 2010 04:23 PM |
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Phoenix: Yeah. I wanted to get some info first though, maybe bust some myths before I start thinking where and when 
William: I've been thinking mostly about Australia and New Zealand, yeah. Oceania is beautiful, I must say. It's not JUST the cash..
Joonas: unfortunately that is correct -_- The prices are sky high. Most young people here get double credit (both husband and wife if they want to move to their own place after getting married) AND get some help from their parents to get their own place and it's rarely something to brag about (40-50 m^2 on an uninteresting concrete environment), and they have to pay that credit for the next 30 years or so. Which seems unacceptable to me, I don't wont to be bound to the same small flat for the rest of my life.
Do we have a lot of rich people here? Surprisingly, yes. I don't even know what they are doing for living, but those huge houses and big cars surely cost a lot. Possibly they were successful back when it was REALLY easy to get rich in Poland (after the fall of communism, where you could smuggle jeans through the German border and get yourself a palace a year later... it's not an exaggeration, that time REALLY got some people rich...).
But right now, it seems like every business is taken & well guarded by a horde of big companies. We've tried with a couple of friends already and it's damn near impossible (and you need loads of cash for a start, too. And where can we get that cash?  ). We're now trying our last desperate plan to set our own business (which seems the only way to live an acceptable life in Poland without spending 12 hours at office work/rat race), and if that fails, we'll be thinking about emmigration. Well, maybe not exactly "we", as it's mostly my idea to leave. Again, I have no real ties with my country, and nothing holds me here. It's not that I can't come back one day, anyway. My friends aren't exactly of the same attitude. Some just can't imagine themselves living elsewhere, others are too attached to their friends, little activities, girlfriends and such, and the rest is just scared of such a big move.
I am not and nothing holds me back.
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posted March 10, 2010 07:31 PM |
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how do you move if you can't even buy a notebook? the train/plane isn't free
and unless you know people where you want to go, you'll need an apartment (or you'll have to pay for the hotel), if you want an apartment, you'll probably have to find a job first (which might be hard since you don't live in that country yet)
not counting various restriction on immigration. for example in france, you may still get expelled for random reasons even if you work and live honestly. (actually, especially if you live honestly, because if you throw stones at policemen, they won't dare annoying you)
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posted March 11, 2010 10:44 PM |
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I'm going to work after the college somewhere, so saving for a trip (and a return ticket - I'm not that careless to go there without a chance to return if something goes horribly wrong). As for the job and a place to live, I sincerely hope for some people to help me. maybe even some HC members could help me, after all we have members all around the world, much easier when you have someone at the desired location that can check stuff for you or simply open a local newspaper to get you a cheap flat for rent or smth. That would suffice for a start. I guess my english is good enough not to make a fool out of myself (despite my pronunciation and accent being horrible ^_^), so the rest would be up to me.
I need some experience first, though. I'm thinking about welding or some other jobs that don't require specialistic knowledge, yet aren't exactly your average Joe's job (like washing dishes lol). A bachelor/master-degree bearer looking for a welding job may seem stupid for some, but in Poland, it's not that uncommon. We have overcrowded colleges here, a high degree is as common as grass here, and the market doesn't need as much educated people, especially if they finished, idk, philosophy or sociology.
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