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Azagal
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posted March 29, 2010 03:09 PM |
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You're kidding, right? How can an auto-picture uploader, bigger Avatars and a block feature pose such a threat to your presence here on HC? That's just ridicolous man. So what if this place changes a little? Obama is president it was only a matter of time! This isn't going to change HC, it'll simply change what it looks like. Cosmetic changes. What's the problem with that? Come on dude... don't be so rash. Please?
Oh and Mytical you said "and due to some other things that are going on that I am not at liberty to discuss". So you're also stepping down as a mod because of the changes...? Do you somehow feel like that you're support isn't needed anymore if mods can run arround forums unrestrained?
While the cosmetic changes are very very welcome I wonder a bit about the change in the mod structure. During my entire stay on HC the assignment of mods to specific forums has given me some sense of security... you'd always know who you're dealing with. And the specific moderators coin their fora with their presence. Take Alcibiades for example. A Temple or an Altar without him simply wouldn't be the same (in a very negative sense). If HC were Jesus then Alcibiades would be Petrus, the rock on which HC would build it's Temple and Altar. Or angelito being the vigilant Gargoyle silently watching the OSM, but if judgement time comes you better be ready... Perhaps some of you won't really see this as constructive criticsm but I'm serious about this. The "feel" of a forum is a bigger part of it than how your avatar uploading works, in my opinion.
I realize that this change would make sense in cases where mods would have to be quick to react (like the one time where some lunatic from the past posted a oversized picture of a cock (clarification: a cock is a male chicken)) but those cases have become preeeeeeeetty rare haven't they? Is the need for quick mod action really so neccesary that we would have to break up the existing order for it?
From an entirely practical point of view... mods are assign to the corresponding fora, not on a whim but according to their strengths right? So while one moderator might be very well suited for forum A he might not be very well suited to forum B, right? I mean that's only human! You can't be good at everything. And while I'm sure that the foras will not steadily fall into "dis-moderation" (meaning "at it's ok he'll probably look into "forum X" I don't need to) with no one having an explicit responsability to a place anymore, I still think it's better to have your "person of trust" for a forum.
So I guess my question is, can't you leave the system as it is (assigned mods for the individual fora) while still implementing the ability for mods to act cross fora? This way they'll be able to react quickly and the fora will still have their representativ mods. With all due respect but I think that that is the most reasonable solution (since it combines the best of both), unless of course if there are other reasons for the abolishment of the existing system, apart from the "we want to be bale to act quickly if needed to". Are there? Could mod shortage with Myticals retirement be an issue?
Oh and I'm not in favour of the "assistant mod thing".
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veco
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who am I?
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posted March 29, 2010 04:17 PM |
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This sounds like the Modsquad is severely undermanned to handle the forums, which isnt the case. We have around 20 active members (few of which cause any sort of disorders) and 5 active moderators. Cross forum silences and deletions are always a nice feat to have but other than that there is nothing really worth changing.
Assistant Moderator? As in regular members who are able to silence? Better take in another moderator (if there is such a need) and hold one person responsible for it.
Also, avatars of 100x100 are big enough, if anything, you could raise the KB limit a bit, it would be a much more desirable feat. Personal uploading avatars is a standard on forum nowadays and you avoid those huge, unnessesary libraries so I'm all for it.
As for ignoring options - I don't see any need for them, maybe Kip ignoring Xerox and in reverse but I don't think they send each other HCMs or email anyway.
HC isn't that dynamic for you to take drastic measures in order to tame it
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Keksimaton
Promising
Supreme Hero
Talk to the hand
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posted March 29, 2010 04:35 PM |
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I never knew that moderators couldn't operate beyond their own domain. 
Of course it is a good idea to allow moderators to step into action when there is an emergency! There is no debate on this one. It should go without saying that when the power to act beyond one's domain is granted to moderators, there shouldn't be any turf wars and no stepping on other's toes. It is an emergency power that is to be used when things get messy.
As for the whole thing about assistant moderators and such, I see that the pros to it would be that the moderators wouldn't be so overworked, it could serve as training wheels for full moderatorship and scouting out for moderator material.
The cons that first come to mind would be that when the amount of people who can issue silences goes up, so would the amount of silences issued. This would promote the image of some manner of a moderator police state in wich silences come arbitrarily and we wouldn't want that, would we?
Perhaps these assistant moderators could assign a limited amount of QPs? An increased amount of QPs floating about could promote positive enforcement rather than the negative kind.
Whatever may come of the changes suggested, our current state would seem to be a depression before the rush to the fan sites in the advent of H6. We might need to prepare for the mess that a rapidly increasing userbase can cause for a small team of mods. Not that the assistants would be that much needed if there simply were more moderators.
P.S. You don't need a special messageboard function to be able to ignore messages.
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Cepheus
Honorable
Legendary Hero
Far-flung Keeper
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posted March 29, 2010 04:36 PM |
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If those changes are implemented I will leave this forum forever and that is final.
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Geny
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted March 29, 2010 04:44 PM |
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I call dibs on the AM position! With the free time to spam at will and the ability to silence you all I will finally rule this forum with an iron fist!
Actually, it was kind of expected. Pandora was the backbone of the mods' HQ. When she left disappeared she left a huge gap that no one could fill. Mytical tried valiantly, but just couldn't make it. And with Pan's absence Valeriy is forced to introduce ridiculous innovations that are meant to compensate for the lack of mod power. I'm not used to the role of doomsayer, but it looks like it's only a matter of time before HC crumbles under its own weight without Pandora to carry it on her brave Canadian shoulders.
*sigh*
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Corribus
Hero of Order
The Abyss Staring Back at You
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posted March 29, 2010 04:48 PM |
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Edited by Corribus at 16:50, 29 Mar 2010.
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Most of them sound like sensible changes. I don't really see that the mod structure needs to be altered. But we do need an updated mod squad, and someone with some sort of admin powers would be helpful as well. There are, what, two or three active moderators right now? Why do we have moderators who are never around anymore? It's testament to the maturity of the users here that this place hasn't devolved into absolute, wild-west style chaos.
EDIT: And shouldn't this thread be in the Tribunal?
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mvassilev
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Undefeatable Hero
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posted March 29, 2010 05:20 PM |
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While these are some interesting ideas, why not just make more people mods? I'm sure there are people who'd be willing.
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william
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LummoxLewis
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posted March 29, 2010 05:41 PM |
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Edited by william at 17:42, 29 Mar 2010.
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I think they're bad implementations for the forum and just unnecessary and things are fine the way they are. And as for Mytical leaving as a mod or whatever, well I just disagree with that and think it's lame that he is leaving as moderator.
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Azagal
Honorable
Undefeatable Hero
Smooth Snake
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posted March 29, 2010 07:54 PM |
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Edited by Azagal at 19:56, 29 Mar 2010.
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An auto-picture uploader, bigger Avatars and a block feature are bad implementations? How? I mean if you don't like change that's one thing but from a purely objective point of view adding something new and useful... is hardly bad. But maybe I'm missing something?
But yeah if you want to leave because we can now upload our own avatars, which are also bigger now and the fact that one can stop getting from someone HCM if he/she's annoying (I remember that Asheera had a real problem with someone...) then that's hardly rational don't you think? Are you sure it's not your temper speaking? I mean come on...
And about recruiting more mods... it seems like an idea. But I'd avoid it if possible? Because as someone said we're roughly 20 active members lol. In the end 1/3 of our population will be moderators. Am I the only one that thinks that's weird? But rather that solution than those weird "half-moderator" things. Why would one have only half a mod?
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veco
Legendary Hero
who am I?
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posted March 29, 2010 08:20 PM |
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So, is Mytical going to take it all to the face or will some other mod bravely step in to take the punishment on him?
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Geny
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What if Elvin was female?
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posted March 29, 2010 08:34 PM |
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is Mytical going to take it all to the face
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Mytical
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Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted March 30, 2010 05:59 AM |
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It was a difficult negotiation, and I was on the losing side of it, but come friday it will be finished. From the looks of things, Elvin and Alc will be the Assistant Admins, with the others remaining Moderators. We will be contacting three current members to take up the mantle of Assistant Moderators. The transfer will take time, there is a lot of things to do.
Look for an official announcement Friday from Val, as HC enters a new chapter in it's history. I am REALLY excited about this prospect, and want to give my appreciation to the others who are making this possible. You know who you are. Still think it should have been Elvin, but...
Here is to the future, and the posibilities it may hold. Final information about what the heck I am talking about will come friday. To HC, may it live forever.
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Celfious
Promising
Legendary Hero
From earth
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posted March 30, 2010 06:07 AM |
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i know im never gonna be any of these but i was wondering why it is for AM in stone for no shield with sword, and not no sword with shield.
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted March 30, 2010 06:11 AM |
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Here is how we decided this, the thought process behind it. The Assistant Admins, and Moderators are the first line of defense. We clean up the messes. A assistant moderator will be like the first line of offense. They will be the ones taking the 'fight' to the ones that need a temporary break. The 'sword arm' so to speak.
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veco
Legendary Hero
who am I?
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posted March 30, 2010 10:17 AM |
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Charge!!
uhhh.. I mean, a cavalry charge is much cooler than a sword.
And what about the inactive mods?
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted March 30, 2010 10:25 AM |
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Mod inactivity won't be such a big deal, as other moderators can pick up the slack. Though, remember as Assistant Moderators get promoted (the Assistant position is like a trial period to see how they handle themselves), new Assitant Moderators will be approached. We are hoping to achieve at least 1 active Moderator for every 3 forums we currently have (active being on for several hours every day).
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Geny
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Undefeatable Hero
What if Elvin was female?
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posted March 30, 2010 10:34 AM |
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But, but... I won't be here on Friday (and the next couple of days)...
Also, will having a sword hide all my colorful stars? I kinda like my stars...
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Adrius
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Stand and fight!
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posted March 30, 2010 12:08 PM |
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Edited by Adrius at 12:08, 30 Mar 2010.
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So being an AM is only a trial period to get the real modship?
Who would want to be promoted to a full moderator? Being an AM sounds like having all the cool stuff (sword and silencing button) without all the boring responsibilities!  (cleaning threads and stuff)
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Mytical
Responsible
Undefeatable Hero
Chaos seeking Harmony
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posted March 30, 2010 12:41 PM |
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Hey, they don't have to take the promotion..not like they are going to be tied to a chair and forced to smell socks or anything until they agree.
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Celfious
Promising
Legendary Hero
From earth
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posted March 30, 2010 01:07 PM |
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Edited by Celfious at 13:09, 30 Mar 2010.
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heh that is potentially a fragile situation to be facing but potential could very well be minimal
hey mytical i thought you were all chaotic and stuff now i realize you have been a mod lol jk xD
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